Translate those design cues down to a 13 inch platform, rip out that high wattage CPU and replace it with a U-series chip, dump the Tobii, drop the screen resolution to 1080 (with the obligatory 1366x768 TN option for costs), skip the dGPU, lose two memory slots, drop to one M.2 and one SATA drive, replace the wireless adapter with Intel or Realtek, shed the graphics amplifier thing, go for white only on the keyboard backlight, give it a reasonable size PSU, and replace the Alienware logos with conventional Dell logos and you've got me instantly sold on one of these because of the overall chunky and conservative chassis design. It only needs those few adjustments and it'd be an instant winner with great battery life.
What would really nice if Dell could work with Intel / NVidia and create EMiB version CPU using NVidia RTX GPU instead the AMD GPU as next version XPS 15 2in1
Not really a fan of 2in1 laptops and the XPS systems are a lot slimmer. I'd prefer something with a lot more thickness that would subsequently be packed with overkill cooling and a huge battery.
Interesting. Do they have an ~13 inch model with similar battery capacity? If so and if the cooling is decent, that might be a decent future purchase once they start turning up on SleezeBay.
I don't really care about bezel sizes or the impact it has on the overall laptop footprint. I just prefer a 11-13 inch screen on a laptop. In fact, I'd rather have around an inch of bezel just for ease of handling the system for adjusting the screen position.
I don't think it is an actual legal limit. Airlines in the US (not sure about the rest of the world) mandate no larger than a 99WHr battery. I presume that is to prevent someone from taking a large explosive device and cramming it into a battery, but I haven't done the research. At any rate, that limitation is why OEMs shy away from using higher capacities.
FAA regulations don't allow Li-Ion batteries with capacities of over 100WHr in the cabin of an airliner without specific airline permission. The limit is actually 160WHr.
Well I gotten used to 2in1 nature - it has some uses - especially if just scanning internet - or watching a video. I find especially the 15 2in1 - how the power of it can be pack in thin case - it is 1/2 as thin as Lenovo Y50. Looking back - I think getting 4k on it - is a waste - I am getting old and hard to see on 4k and it does use of battery - but most of time I use it connected to TB docking station connected to LG 38U88 Ultrawide. the XPS 13 2in1 is great for office like stuff - word processing and internet and such - super light and small as MacBook Air 11 in - yes it has a lower power Y processor but for what I use for it is perfect. While my XPS 15 2in1 is a perfect desktop replacement - only thing I wish it had was NVidia based GPU - just more compatible for high end graphics work
2nd half or end of year should be really exiting, especially with Sunny Cove processors - I expecting the equilvent performance of XPS 15 2in1 in XPS 13 2in1 with twice the batter life. But what could be really exiting is Lakefield - I could see it same performance as current XPS 13 2in1 but in same market as Surface Go. Possible Dell will use in lower cost version of XPS 13 2in1.
Actually that killer wifi is the current best as it offers within a margin of error of the best latency and better reception than any other card currently. Most killers suck but the 1550 is great when you dont use the killer software just the drivers.
Also this computer isn't for you its for people who want a desktop replacement. Go back to whatever borring life you came from.
Only bad thing I can say about it (other than the fact that it's a dell and they have a totally tarnished reputation for laptops in this class) is the gpu. I would not bet on getting a fairly priced replacement or upgrade from that company ever. Other that that they actually did alot of things better than pervious generations. Socketed cpu. Enough power supply. 4 mounting screws for cpu and gpu heatsink (3 on previous generation made a 10-20c heat rise).
I disagree with a lot this 1. As desktop replacement - most people don't need more than 4 or 6 cores. Also it has both a TB3 port and Alienware Graphics adapter - unless you really need the cores, then it virtually the same 2. Dell is a great company - top of class quality - I still have Dell Inspiron 7000 with Pentium II processor - never became a brick like my HP.
Well point 1 has nothing to do with what I said and point 2 is just frankly wrong. Dell is a horrible company with a completely tarnished reputaion around the alienware desktop replacement lines. Hell the 4th gen laptops would actually throttle to 800mhz whenever a game managed to use significant cpu and gpu percents. Battlefield, overwatch, ect. 800mhz. 100% of the units did this and the tech support was trained to tell people it was normal. They actually shiped these witb underpowered psus as a sort of ghetto coverup. The only ones who actually got what they paid for are people who only played games that loaded cpu or gpu exclusively. R4 laptops had a huge percent (well over half) that had 2 cores between 10c and 25c over the other 2. Again this was just considered ok by dell. These are just a few of the issues with the alienware lines. Other lines had similar issues. Screens that had a vertical line pattern every other pixel. This was explained as a "wattermark" and intentional. What the fuck do you even say to that? The fact that you would go out of your way to say this company has a good reputation shows how much you really know. Not to mention you assume that all consumers would follow your idiotic beliefe about 4 cores when the 9900k and 9700k are still the king in low core games. Please never post again unless you learn how to think.
I agree that Dell's non-business notebooks have had some quality control problems at various times. In fact, their business systems occasionally miss as well, but that isn't much different than the hit and miss rate of most other companies. Every OEM pushes out the occasional dud. I've had the displeasure of owning awful HPs, crappy Compaqs (pre- & post-HP merger), a garbage Lenovo, a self-destructing Acer, a Texas Instruments release-the-magic-smoke bomb, a bloated-OS and slow-as-crap NEC, a Fujitsu with one of the worst passive matrix LCDs the 1990s had to offer, and so forth. However, at the same time, I've had good laptops and desktops from many of those same companies. Most of the systems I've purchased, even those that had their quirks, did what they were supposed to do in their own quirky, sometimes frustrating way. In the end, they're just computers and their functionality or lack thereof shouldn't be a dominant factor in your life. There are more important things to worry about.
Its an issue for the WORLD when a company has a policy of shipping broken products or products with qc issues so bad that a majority of people will return them that cost alot of money to alot of people AND waste time that is important to gamers to return or refund. Or in most cases people realize why thier system is not working properly too late and then they are dealing with a company that has trained its premium support to explain why 800mhz on a i7 laptop that cost at least 2k is considered normal. Is this ok for the world? Who exactly are dell helping besides themselves in these cases. Im sorry I like video games I program and play them and having at least a company that TRIES to provide a working system is a big deal to me. And its the same to many other people throughout the world. Sorry if it offends you that this is the case.
There are no companies that enforce a policy of shipping broken products. Such a company would not survive as the corporation's reputation would suffer, customers would find alternatives, and governments in some nations would get involved. Although one specific model of Alienware model did have insufficient cooling (something a number of Reddit users solved by disabling CPU turbo - hurts performance, but not significantly since most games were/are GPU-limited and applying new thermal compound) that doesn't imply a systemic problem with the manufacturer. Sure they should have done better and yes, they did a disservice to their customers by designing a marginal cooling solution that could not handle higher ambient air temps or the inevitable ingestion of an unhealthy amount of dust, but as I said before, those are the occasional dud as opposed to a significantly large statistical sample of results across a long span of time from the aforementioned company.
Well it has to be intentional. Im sure the qc and engineers knew about thses issues. 800mhz is not ok no matter what you say it's just not. Screens with lines in them by design are just stupid. Exceptionally poor cooling even for laptops; I mean I get that changing a motherboard designed to work with 3 screws in retrospect is not easy. And dell does not make these themselves. But from a consumer standpoint its pretty damn awful borderline trash. Adding 20c to already thermally limited laptops and selling them as high end products from 2-4k. I get that the world is fucked up and consumers get the shaft sometimes but its just a long pattern of this that dell has to break from. Its not ok when it happens at such high rates. I mean you are LUCKY if you got an alienware laptop with no major issues out the box for the past 5+ years. It really shows on the 4th gen where intel fucked up as well and released thermally sensitive cpus and chipsets. Combine that with a shit tier power system and below minimum spec cooling and you get something that should be half the price considering what it can actually do. So I mean go ahead and justify it how ever you want. You are just arguing against things that Im sure you would be very depressed about if you bought any of these systems. And there are plenty of manufactureres that are alot more consistent and INTENTIONALLY design their systems with adequate power and cooling.
Lucky for you, an 8-10 year old used dell latitude can be had for under $200. You'll have to settle for upgrading to SATA SSDs; but you can probably find an adapter to put a second in the CDROM bay.
There actually is a Latitude with a SATA drive bay in the CD-ROM slot sitting around my place. It's got a mechanical drive in it at the moment as the capacity I wanted wasn't cost-effective to acquire at the time I was out shopping for parts to partly turn it into a file repository. If SATA SSDs around 1TB land close to $50 before I get bored with that laptop and buy some other used toy, I might get around to doing a drive swap, though at that point I'd probably just replace the primary 250GB SSD and consolidate on a single drive so I can unplug the USB ROM that I'm currently using to rip my movie collection.
Well they at least they finally went to a 4 screw cpu cooler mount instead of the horrible 3 screw version that applies uneven pressure on the cpu that caused cores to run at different temps...
This laptop too much powerful I'm a content marketer in the company which produces content (https://adsy.com/guest-blogging-article-links) I need this laptop for my work How much it cost?
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PeachNCream - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
Translate those design cues down to a 13 inch platform, rip out that high wattage CPU and replace it with a U-series chip, dump the Tobii, drop the screen resolution to 1080 (with the obligatory 1366x768 TN option for costs), skip the dGPU, lose two memory slots, drop to one M.2 and one SATA drive, replace the wireless adapter with Intel or Realtek, shed the graphics amplifier thing, go for white only on the keyboard backlight, give it a reasonable size PSU, and replace the Alienware logos with conventional Dell logos and you've got me instantly sold on one of these because of the overall chunky and conservative chassis design. It only needs those few adjustments and it'd be an instant winner with great battery life.HStewart - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
Sounds like for your needs just get XPS seriesWhat would really nice if Dell could work with Intel / NVidia and create EMiB version CPU using NVidia RTX GPU instead the AMD GPU as next version XPS 15 2in1
PeachNCream - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
Not really a fan of 2in1 laptops and the XPS systems are a lot slimmer. I'd prefer something with a lot more thickness that would subsequently be packed with overkill cooling and a huge battery.GTRagnarok - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
XPS 15's 97WHr is already just under the legal limit.PeachNCream - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
Interesting. Do they have an ~13 inch model with similar battery capacity? If so and if the cooling is decent, that might be a decent future purchase once they start turning up on SleezeBay.HStewart - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
I believe XPS 13 have 52w battery - also the lower end XPS 15's are not 97wtwtech - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
The 15" XPS is actually not much bigger than most conventional 13" laptops, due to the bezel being so thin.PeachNCream - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
I don't really care about bezel sizes or the impact it has on the overall laptop footprint. I just prefer a 11-13 inch screen on a laptop. In fact, I'd rather have around an inch of bezel just for ease of handling the system for adjusting the screen position.Flunk - Monday, January 21, 2019 - link
That sounds really contrived.sonny73n - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
There’s a legal limit for laptop battery? Limit WHr but ok for a spare? Stupid regulation I say.PeachNCream - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
I don't think it is an actual legal limit. Airlines in the US (not sure about the rest of the world) mandate no larger than a 99WHr battery. I presume that is to prevent someone from taking a large explosive device and cramming it into a battery, but I haven't done the research. At any rate, that limitation is why OEMs shy away from using higher capacities.Flunk - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 - link
FAA regulations don't allow Li-Ion batteries with capacities of over 100WHr in the cabin of an airliner without specific airline permission. The limit is actually 160WHr.https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org/headquarters_...
HStewart - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
Well I gotten used to 2in1 nature - it has some uses - especially if just scanning internet - or watching a video. I find especially the 15 2in1 - how the power of it can be pack in thin case - it is 1/2 as thin as Lenovo Y50. Looking back - I think getting 4k on it - is a waste - I am getting old and hard to see on 4k and it does use of battery - but most of time I use it connected to TB docking station connected to LG 38U88 Ultrawide. the XPS 13 2in1 is great for office like stuff - word processing and internet and such - super light and small as MacBook Air 11 in - yes it has a lower power Y processor but for what I use for it is perfect. While my XPS 15 2in1 is a perfect desktop replacement - only thing I wish it had was NVidia based GPU - just more compatible for high end graphics work2nd half or end of year should be really exiting, especially with Sunny Cove processors - I expecting the equilvent performance of XPS 15 2in1 in XPS 13 2in1 with twice the batter life. But what could be really exiting is Lakefield - I could see it same performance as current XPS 13 2in1 but in same market as Surface Go. Possible Dell will use in lower cost version of XPS 13 2in1.
Opencg - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
Actually that killer wifi is the current best as it offers within a margin of error of the best latency and better reception than any other card currently. Most killers suck but the 1550 is great when you dont use the killer software just the drivers.Also this computer isn't for you its for people who want a desktop replacement. Go back to whatever borring life you came from.
Only bad thing I can say about it (other than the fact that it's a dell and they have a totally tarnished reputation for laptops in this class) is the gpu. I would not bet on getting a fairly priced replacement or upgrade from that company ever. Other that that they actually did alot of things better than pervious generations. Socketed cpu. Enough power supply. 4 mounting screws for cpu and gpu heatsink (3 on previous generation made a 10-20c heat rise).
HStewart - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
I disagree with a lot this1. As desktop replacement - most people don't need more than 4 or 6 cores. Also it has both a TB3 port and Alienware Graphics adapter - unless you really need the cores, then it virtually the same
2. Dell is a great company - top of class quality - I still have Dell Inspiron 7000 with Pentium II processor - never became a brick like my HP.
Opencg - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
Well point 1 has nothing to do with what I said and point 2 is just frankly wrong. Dell is a horrible company with a completely tarnished reputaion around the alienware desktop replacement lines. Hell the 4th gen laptops would actually throttle to 800mhz whenever a game managed to use significant cpu and gpu percents. Battlefield, overwatch, ect. 800mhz. 100% of the units did this and the tech support was trained to tell people it was normal. They actually shiped these witb underpowered psus as a sort of ghetto coverup. The only ones who actually got what they paid for are people who only played games that loaded cpu or gpu exclusively. R4 laptops had a huge percent (well over half) that had 2 cores between 10c and 25c over the other 2. Again this was just considered ok by dell. These are just a few of the issues with the alienware lines. Other lines had similar issues. Screens that had a vertical line pattern every other pixel. This was explained as a "wattermark" and intentional. What the fuck do you even say to that? The fact that you would go out of your way to say this company has a good reputation shows how much you really know. Not to mention you assume that all consumers would follow your idiotic beliefe about 4 cores when the 9900k and 9700k are still the king in low core games. Please never post again unless you learn how to think.PeachNCream - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
I agree that Dell's non-business notebooks have had some quality control problems at various times. In fact, their business systems occasionally miss as well, but that isn't much different than the hit and miss rate of most other companies. Every OEM pushes out the occasional dud. I've had the displeasure of owning awful HPs, crappy Compaqs (pre- & post-HP merger), a garbage Lenovo, a self-destructing Acer, a Texas Instruments release-the-magic-smoke bomb, a bloated-OS and slow-as-crap NEC, a Fujitsu with one of the worst passive matrix LCDs the 1990s had to offer, and so forth. However, at the same time, I've had good laptops and desktops from many of those same companies. Most of the systems I've purchased, even those that had their quirks, did what they were supposed to do in their own quirky, sometimes frustrating way. In the end, they're just computers and their functionality or lack thereof shouldn't be a dominant factor in your life. There are more important things to worry about.Opencg - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
Its an issue for the WORLD when a company has a policy of shipping broken products or products with qc issues so bad that a majority of people will return them that cost alot of money to alot of people AND waste time that is important to gamers to return or refund. Or in most cases people realize why thier system is not working properly too late and then they are dealing with a company that has trained its premium support to explain why 800mhz on a i7 laptop that cost at least 2k is considered normal. Is this ok for the world? Who exactly are dell helping besides themselves in these cases. Im sorry I like video games I program and play them and having at least a company that TRIES to provide a working system is a big deal to me. And its the same to many other people throughout the world. Sorry if it offends you that this is the case.PeachNCream - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
There are no companies that enforce a policy of shipping broken products. Such a company would not survive as the corporation's reputation would suffer, customers would find alternatives, and governments in some nations would get involved. Although one specific model of Alienware model did have insufficient cooling (something a number of Reddit users solved by disabling CPU turbo - hurts performance, but not significantly since most games were/are GPU-limited and applying new thermal compound) that doesn't imply a systemic problem with the manufacturer. Sure they should have done better and yes, they did a disservice to their customers by designing a marginal cooling solution that could not handle higher ambient air temps or the inevitable ingestion of an unhealthy amount of dust, but as I said before, those are the occasional dud as opposed to a significantly large statistical sample of results across a long span of time from the aforementioned company.Opencg - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 - link
Well it has to be intentional. Im sure the qc and engineers knew about thses issues. 800mhz is not ok no matter what you say it's just not. Screens with lines in them by design are just stupid. Exceptionally poor cooling even for laptops; I mean I get that changing a motherboard designed to work with 3 screws in retrospect is not easy. And dell does not make these themselves. But from a consumer standpoint its pretty damn awful borderline trash. Adding 20c to already thermally limited laptops and selling them as high end products from 2-4k. I get that the world is fucked up and consumers get the shaft sometimes but its just a long pattern of this that dell has to break from. Its not ok when it happens at such high rates. I mean you are LUCKY if you got an alienware laptop with no major issues out the box for the past 5+ years. It really shows on the 4th gen where intel fucked up as well and released thermally sensitive cpus and chipsets. Combine that with a shit tier power system and below minimum spec cooling and you get something that should be half the price considering what it can actually do. So I mean go ahead and justify it how ever you want. You are just arguing against things that Im sure you would be very depressed about if you bought any of these systems. And there are plenty of manufactureres that are alot more consistent and INTENTIONALLY design their systems with adequate power and cooling.DanNeely - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
Lucky for you, an 8-10 year old used dell latitude can be had for under $200. You'll have to settle for upgrading to SATA SSDs; but you can probably find an adapter to put a second in the CDROM bay.PeachNCream - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
There actually is a Latitude with a SATA drive bay in the CD-ROM slot sitting around my place. It's got a mechanical drive in it at the moment as the capacity I wanted wasn't cost-effective to acquire at the time I was out shopping for parts to partly turn it into a file repository. If SATA SSDs around 1TB land close to $50 before I get bored with that laptop and buy some other used toy, I might get around to doing a drive swap, though at that point I'd probably just replace the primary 250GB SSD and consolidate on a single drive so I can unplug the USB ROM that I'm currently using to rip my movie collection.HStewart - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
I purchase a adapter for ssd on my ThinkPad for work- I did so the Virtual Machine(s) would be on - works quite well.tygrus - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
The 180w + 330w, would be like a hairdryer with a ball&chain attached.nerd1 - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
Alienware laptops are pretty terrible in terms of cooling.. how will this compare to more mature Clevo offerings?shatteredx - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
Yeah, a head-to-head review vs. Clevo would be great.Pneumothorax - Monday, January 21, 2019 - link
Well they at least they finally went to a 4 screw cpu cooler mount instead of the horrible 3 screw version that applies uneven pressure on the cpu that caused cores to run at different temps...Notmyusualid - Monday, January 21, 2019 - link
When they offer a screen greater than 1080p, I reckon I'm sold.Lina Smooth - Wednesday, January 23, 2019 - link
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Lina Smooth - Wednesday, January 23, 2019 - link
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I need this laptop for my work
How much it cost?
Notmyusualid - Monday, March 18, 2019 - link
Anandtech - do you plan to review this model?We respect your opinions more than most, so it would be good if you could...
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