Drive looks good for a prototype drive and if priced great this might be a good option for my next system build and I can gift my 512GB Samsung 850 Pro drive to my girl friends system and upgrade her form the Samsung 850 EVO 250GB I got her for her last year.
Cheap is good, but reliability has to be there. Once you go below SATA, I get suspicious. I'm also surprised at the 4x pci-e lanes, most of the cheap stuff goes for 2x (I suspect they can barely fill 2x in sustained read/writes, so I'm happy with that).
Moving forward it doesnt have to be more expensive. SSDs are a simple build of materials, they use the same NAND, once the controllers are able to be sold to them a the samecosts, they can basically cost the same. On top of that, using the system RAM for caching and lookup tables allows them to remove the DRAM in low end models, essentially being able to bring the costs below that of a SATA. Over time SATA will entirely become the legacy option with no new controllers or options, NVME controllers and parts will keep moving forward in every way bringing more performance per dollar. We will see what we are seeing with the whole SSD market though, which is a greater delta between the high and low end parts. DRAMless QLC SSDs are going to be very different to a Samsung 980 Pro (If it exists) moving forward...
Maybe I overlooked it, but the article doesn't mention if it's DRAM-less or not. Given the targeted price range, I assume it is. Since that means that it'll use system memory to cache, is that why it needs 4 PCI-3 lanes to get the speed the demo showed?
I would certainly assume it is. Not sure if the bandwidth would help, i imagine the issue is more latency than bandwidth, the caching is used more for page lockups than actual data caching i thought.
You seem to have missed the point here. SATA SSDs are more expensive to build than NVMe ones, Kingston is relying on that to make these drives cheaper. Without that, they wouldn't be cheaper, egro asking for cheaper SATA SSDs based on this announcement is magical thinking.
> SATA SSDs are more expensive to build than NVMe ones
That hasn't been true so far in the industry, as NVMe controllers' prices have inflated the BOM cost of those drives above that of SATA drives. If the newer NVMe controllers are cheap enough to bring the NVMe BOM cost down to below SATA, that's a good thing, but it still doesn't change the fact that space and heat constraints preclude higher-capacity drives in the NVMe form-factor. We don't need cheaper small-capacity NVMe drives, we need cheaper high-capacity SATA drives.
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lazarpandar - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
1tb nvme pricing is fine where it's at. We need someone to bring down the prices of 2tb sticks.RamIt - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
Competition is good even at the bottom. A ~$100 1tb nvme drive is what i have been waiting foreurico - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 - link
Dreaming is definitely cheap...rocky12345 - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
Drive looks good for a prototype drive and if priced great this might be a good option for my next system build and I can gift my 512GB Samsung 850 Pro drive to my girl friends system and upgrade her form the Samsung 850 EVO 250GB I got her for her last year.Reflex - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
These would be fantastic for my QNAP NAS. It has 2 NVMe M.2 slots, and can use them to cache data from the HDDs...Dragonstongue - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
so below sata pricing with NO mention of price...good job*clap clap clap*
wumpus - Sunday, January 20, 2019 - link
Cheap is good, but reliability has to be there. Once you go below SATA, I get suspicious. I'm also surprised at the 4x pci-e lanes, most of the cheap stuff goes for 2x (I suspect they can barely fill 2x in sustained read/writes, so I'm happy with that).danielfranklin - Sunday, January 20, 2019 - link
Moving forward it doesnt have to be more expensive.SSDs are a simple build of materials, they use the same NAND, once the controllers are able to be sold to them a the samecosts, they can basically cost the same.
On top of that, using the system RAM for caching and lookup tables allows them to remove the DRAM in low end models, essentially being able to bring the costs below that of a SATA.
Over time SATA will entirely become the legacy option with no new controllers or options, NVME controllers and parts will keep moving forward in every way bringing more performance per dollar.
We will see what we are seeing with the whole SSD market though, which is a greater delta between the high and low end parts.
DRAMless QLC SSDs are going to be very different to a Samsung 980 Pro (If it exists) moving forward...
eastcoast_pete - Sunday, January 20, 2019 - link
Maybe I overlooked it, but the article doesn't mention if it's DRAM-less or not. Given the targeted price range, I assume it is. Since that means that it'll use system memory to cache, is that why it needs 4 PCI-3 lanes to get the speed the demo showed?danielfranklin - Sunday, January 20, 2019 - link
I would certainly assume it is.Not sure if the bandwidth would help, i imagine the issue is more latency than bandwidth, the caching is used more for page lockups than actual data caching i thought.
The_Assimilator - Sunday, January 20, 2019 - link
Couldja rather make SATA SSDs cheaper, Kingston?Flunk - Monday, January 21, 2019 - link
You seem to have missed the point here. SATA SSDs are more expensive to build than NVMe ones, Kingston is relying on that to make these drives cheaper. Without that, they wouldn't be cheaper, egro asking for cheaper SATA SSDs based on this announcement is magical thinking.The_Assimilator - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 - link
> SATA SSDs are more expensive to build than NVMe onesThat hasn't been true so far in the industry, as NVMe controllers' prices have inflated the BOM cost of those drives above that of SATA drives. If the newer NVMe controllers are cheap enough to bring the NVMe BOM cost down to below SATA, that's a good thing, but it still doesn't change the fact that space and heat constraints preclude higher-capacity drives in the NVMe form-factor. We don't need cheaper small-capacity NVMe drives, we need cheaper high-capacity SATA drives.
Gunbuster - Monday, January 21, 2019 - link
Kingston we still remember the after press review NAND switcharoo you pulled.https://www.anandtech.com/show/7763/an-update-to-k...