That many zones in 32inches lcd is unheard of. But just as key is the dimming algorithm implemented to ensure that low APL gradients and shadow detail are not lost.I'm abit skeptical of Asus ability to deliver given that actual TV manufacturers (looking at you Samsung,) still struggle to get it right.
The other issue is cost. If this ends up costing more than a high end lcd or oled TV it may price itself out of any reasonable consumers list.
Nothing is strange with AUO. Horrible quality? Totally normal for them! Announcing things for next year, then not even delivering it 2 years later? Totally normal for them!
"Some" loss to efficiency - a 50% brightness loss at iso power is to be expected, anything less would be "good". So, achieving decent brightness would thus require significantly more powerful backlighting. Then there's cost and heat, and the complexity of tuning the display driver to ensure good image quality (this could easily lead to overblown contrast, and would need significant tuning for balance).
I would imagine that would add a whole lot of pixel response time issues as well. Tuning displays for overdrive is already difficult enough, tuning two different panels for the same thing seems and order of magnitude more difficult. I doubt this is a solution to any problem facing monitors right now. OLED and MicroLED seem a more doable and future proof way of increasing contrast. OLED burn in can be mitigated by software if they finally start working on it.
Dual layer LCD is just patching of stuff that sucks. It really would be better to build something that doesn't suck to begin with. I've given up hope for OLED PC monitors. The first MicroLED to hit the market is mine however ;-)
Giving up hope for OLED monitors? You'll see those far more likely in the next years than a MIcroLED that will probably cost at least 3x time more ATM.
That might be true, but we're only starting to see engineering samples of microLED tech, bar a few ultra-high-end large screens. It's 5 years away from coming to semi-affordable consumer monitors, at least.
Micro led has limitations as it is very hard to manufacture and arrange leds that are that small, into a small space.
Micro led in a PC display would mean squeezing 8million or more leds in 30inches or less. Current PROTOTYPES are more than twice that size. By the time they shrink the leds enough to hit 4k in 30inches, the market might have moved on to 8k, or oled displays become so cheap that micro led RnD would be seen as a fools errand.
I feel comfortable in stating that in the portable computing space (laptops and mobile,), micro led will not be a factor for the coming decade. Mini led is likely to recieve the bulk of research focus and development
As soon as SED, I mean OLED, I mean MLED gets here... I'm sick of waiting. We've been promised an LCD replacement that gets us back to CRT performance is right around the corner for twenty years now.
The 1000 zone backlight in this is mini-LED. Except for the largest jumbotron's mini-LED is far too large for individual pixels on a high resolution display. Micro is closer, but the closest in production is a Samsung ~80" 4k TV. Even assuming high end computer screens don't go 8k first, that's still a linear factor of 2.5-3x too large (6-9x in terms of area). Unless/until that happens all micro-led could do is to ramp the number of zones in a FALD backlight even higher. To be fair that might be good enough, Samsung's current micro LEDs could theoretically make a 4x4 pixel zone side backlight with 500k zones; which would be enough to mostly eliminate the glow bleeding out around bright objects.
4k at 32" is great for a genreal purpose display (100% scaling in windows) but for professionals?
Surely 4K @ 22" / 5K @ 27" is more like it so really need 6-8K at 32" to get higher res? This is pretty low for designers, and need something much higher for video so you can run 4K unscaled in a window for video.
Lovely screen though, would love one in my office while I wait for 8K screens at this size to get sensible (2 years?).
Pixel density so high you can't make out the details at normal viewing distances doesn't help anyone, profesional or otherwise. I doubt any video editor would want 1:1 pixel mapped 4k in their timeline preview, as it's simply not necessary - a resource hog with no real benefit. You either use a secondary monitor for full screen viewing, or go full screen when needed to check details. With higer DPI, you'd instead have to lean close to the monitor to check details, which is a really bad solution for a profesional setting.
5k would no doubt be appreciated by some, but it robs you of the ability to view unscaled video full screen, which is a big deal.
For CAD designers or others who do intricate and precise line drawings I could get the need for more sharpness and higher resolution, and possibly photographers (but the "have to lean in" problem applies there too), but for everyone else the value of increased DPI drops off noticeably as DPI increases.
4k on 22" is not a professional display that anyone wants. 4k on 32" is not low for designers. I'm not sure what planet you live on, but please show us where those statements are true.
What is the point of the inputs supporting DCI-4K when the panel is UHD? I can't imagine people who care about DCI-4K being willing to run a monitor in a non-native resolution, no matter how good it might be.
What ever happened to Panasonic's 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio IPS screen?
"based around light-modulating cells permitting pixel-by-pixel control of backlight intensity in much the same way as OLED panels"
"According to Panasonic's internal testing, the panels treated with the additional layer of light modulating cells are capable of displaying a brightness of 1,000 candela per metre squared (cd/m²) and 0.001cd/m² simultaneously, without losing the viewing angles or colour gamut of the IPS panel."
As far as I know, Eizo is the only manufacturer using it. V.Expensive!
Did you read any of the article before you posted? It is lit via 1000-zone full array local dimming, so it does not suffer from IPS glow from edge lighting. The local dimming will mean no poor contrast issues and it reportedly has 98% DCI-P3 support so colors will be just fine.
Washed-out colors? You don't know what color gamut means, then? 98% DCI-P3 and 80% Rec. 2020 means that this will be able to display ridiculously vibrant colors.
As for contrast, we don't know the static number, but good IPS panels reach 1500-2000:1, which is decent (though good VA is obviously better). Coupled with 1000-zone FALD (that means ~8300 pixels per lighting zone, or roughly a 90*90 pixel grid (yeah, obviously the lighting zones will be circular), meaning around 2/3 of an inch). That is very small.
As for IPS glow, the degree of that varies a lot between panels, and good panels have nearly none. No reason to expect that from such a high-end panel.
Lastly, it's not like VA or OLED panels are free of visual artefacts...
That may be true, but the degree and visibility of IPS glow can vary significantly, and I've yet to come across a monitor where it's really problematic (then again I've never used a really cheap IPS to any extent).
Do you tend to play games viewing your monitor from the side? 'cause if not, either your experience is with quite terrible quality IPS panels, or something else is wrong with your monitor. IPS glow should not be visible head-on.
IPS glow is very visible head on, just not as much in bright content. Even on the best panels. The bigger the panels are, the bigger that problem gets, unless you also increase distance to it, which defeats the purpose of bigger monitors.
Youre pretty much arguing that the moon is square right now. So whatever, not in the mood trying to explain reality to someone who denies it anyway.
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Lau_Tech - Friday, January 11, 2019 - link
"contrast : high" lolThat many zones in 32inches lcd is unheard of. But just as key is the dimming algorithm implemented to ensure that low APL gradients and shadow detail are not lost.I'm abit skeptical of Asus ability to deliver given that actual TV manufacturers (looking at you Samsung,) still struggle to get it right.
The other issue is cost. If this ends up costing more than a high end lcd or oled TV it may price itself out of any reasonable consumers list.
nevcairiel - Friday, January 11, 2019 - link
Well, it is a professional display, not a consumer display. So expect a high price.TristanSDX - Friday, January 11, 2019 - link
where is 27 inch gaming monitor with mini LED ? AUO showed it several times, but on CES total silence, strange.Beaver M. - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link
Nothing is strange with AUO.Horrible quality? Totally normal for them!
Announcing things for next year, then not even delivering it 2 years later? Totally normal for them!
Skfrts - Friday, January 11, 2019 - link
The percentages don't matchzepi - Saturday, January 12, 2019 - link
Why nobody does dual-LCD? One B&W one and and color one on top of it?That should give about million to one contrast. With some loss to efficiency.
nevcairiel - Saturday, January 12, 2019 - link
Heard about it from one single vendor at CES, and already demanding that everyone has it.Valantar - Saturday, January 12, 2019 - link
"Some" loss to efficiency - a 50% brightness loss at iso power is to be expected, anything less would be "good". So, achieving decent brightness would thus require significantly more powerful backlighting. Then there's cost and heat, and the complexity of tuning the display driver to ensure good image quality (this could easily lead to overblown contrast, and would need significant tuning for balance).Death666Angel - Saturday, January 12, 2019 - link
I would imagine that would add a whole lot of pixel response time issues as well. Tuning displays for overdrive is already difficult enough, tuning two different panels for the same thing seems and order of magnitude more difficult. I doubt this is a solution to any problem facing monitors right now. OLED and MicroLED seem a more doable and future proof way of increasing contrast. OLED burn in can be mitigated by software if they finally start working on it.a5cent - Saturday, January 12, 2019 - link
Yup!Dual layer LCD is just patching of stuff that sucks. It really would be better to build something that doesn't suck to begin with. I've given up hope for OLED PC monitors. The first MicroLED to hit the market is mine however ;-)
lilkwarrior - Thursday, August 22, 2019 - link
Giving up hope for OLED monitors? You'll see those far more likely in the next years than a MIcroLED that will probably cost at least 3x time more ATM.norazi - Saturday, January 12, 2019 - link
Its just a stop-gap solution like hybrid engines in a car. Once micro/miniLED hits full production, even OLED will go the way of plasma techMattMe - Sunday, January 13, 2019 - link
That might be true, but we're only starting to see engineering samples of microLED tech, bar a few ultra-high-end large screens. It's 5 years away from coming to semi-affordable consumer monitors, at least.Lau_Tech - Sunday, January 13, 2019 - link
Micro led has limitations as it is very hard to manufacture and arrange leds that are that small, into a small space.Micro led in a PC display would mean squeezing 8million or more leds in 30inches or less. Current PROTOTYPES are more than twice that size. By the time they shrink the leds enough to hit 4k in 30inches, the market might have moved on to 8k, or oled displays become so cheap that micro led RnD would be seen as a fools errand.
I feel comfortable in stating that in the portable computing space (laptops and mobile,), micro led will not be a factor for the coming decade. Mini led is likely to recieve the bulk of research focus and development
Lord of the Bored - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link
As soon as SED, I mean OLED, I mean MLED gets here...I'm sick of waiting. We've been promised an LCD replacement that gets us back to CRT performance is right around the corner for twenty years now.
DanNeely - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link
The 1000 zone backlight in this is mini-LED. Except for the largest jumbotron's mini-LED is far too large for individual pixels on a high resolution display. Micro is closer, but the closest in production is a Samsung ~80" 4k TV. Even assuming high end computer screens don't go 8k first, that's still a linear factor of 2.5-3x too large (6-9x in terms of area). Unless/until that happens all micro-led could do is to ramp the number of zones in a FALD backlight even higher. To be fair that might be good enough, Samsung's current micro LEDs could theoretically make a 4x4 pixel zone side backlight with 500k zones; which would be enough to mostly eliminate the glow bleeding out around bright objects.dontlistentome - Saturday, January 12, 2019 - link
4k at 32" is great for a genreal purpose display (100% scaling in windows) but for professionals?Surely 4K @ 22" / 5K @ 27" is more like it so really need 6-8K at 32" to get higher res? This is pretty low for designers, and need something much higher for video so you can run 4K unscaled in a window for video.
Lovely screen though, would love one in my office while I wait for 8K screens at this size to get sensible (2 years?).
digiguy - Sunday, January 13, 2019 - link
the 4k 22 OLED is coming, they announced it a while ago and I'll waiting for it...Valantar - Sunday, January 13, 2019 - link
Pixel density so high you can't make out the details at normal viewing distances doesn't help anyone, profesional or otherwise. I doubt any video editor would want 1:1 pixel mapped 4k in their timeline preview, as it's simply not necessary - a resource hog with no real benefit. You either use a secondary monitor for full screen viewing, or go full screen when needed to check details. With higer DPI, you'd instead have to lean close to the monitor to check details, which is a really bad solution for a profesional setting.5k would no doubt be appreciated by some, but it robs you of the ability to view unscaled video full screen, which is a big deal.
For CAD designers or others who do intricate and precise line drawings I could get the need for more sharpness and higher resolution, and possibly photographers (but the "have to lean in" problem applies there too), but for everyone else the value of increased DPI drops off noticeably as DPI increases.
Dug - Wednesday, January 16, 2019 - link
4k on 22" is not a professional display that anyone wants.4k on 32" is not low for designers.
I'm not sure what planet you live on, but please show us where those statements are true.
Valantar - Saturday, January 12, 2019 - link
What is the point of the inputs supporting DCI-4K when the panel is UHD? I can't imagine people who care about DCI-4K being willing to run a monitor in a non-native resolution, no matter how good it might be.bill44 - Saturday, January 12, 2019 - link
What ever happened to Panasonic's 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio IPS screen?"based around light-modulating cells permitting pixel-by-pixel control of backlight intensity in much the same way as OLED panels"
"According to Panasonic's internal testing, the panels treated with the additional layer of light modulating cells are capable of displaying a brightness of 1,000 candela per metre squared (cd/m²) and 0.001cd/m² simultaneously, without losing the viewing angles or colour gamut of the IPS panel."
As far as I know, Eizo is the only manufacturer using it. V.Expensive!
lilkwarrior - Saturday, January 12, 2019 - link
No HDMI 2.1? No Dolby Vision HDR and/or HDR10+? DOA.Valantar - Sunday, January 13, 2019 - link
What would it need HDMI 2.1 for? What would it need Dolby Vision or HDR10+ for? This is a professional display, not a home theater product.Lolimaster - Saturday, January 12, 2019 - link
Still a shitty IPS with poor contrast, IPS glow and washed out colors.RogerAndOut - Saturday, January 12, 2019 - link
Did you read any of the article before you posted? It is lit via 1000-zone full array local dimming, so it does not suffer from IPS glow from edge lighting. The local dimming will mean no poor contrast issues and it reportedly has 98% DCI-P3 support so colors will be just fine.Valantar - Sunday, January 13, 2019 - link
Washed-out colors? You don't know what color gamut means, then? 98% DCI-P3 and 80% Rec. 2020 means that this will be able to display ridiculously vibrant colors.As for contrast, we don't know the static number, but good IPS panels reach 1500-2000:1, which is decent (though good VA is obviously better). Coupled with 1000-zone FALD (that means ~8300 pixels per lighting zone, or roughly a 90*90 pixel grid (yeah, obviously the lighting zones will be circular), meaning around 2/3 of an inch). That is very small.
As for IPS glow, the degree of that varies a lot between panels, and good panels have nearly none. No reason to expect that from such a high-end panel.
Lastly, it's not like VA or OLED panels are free of visual artefacts...
Beaver M. - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link
Every IPS panel has IPS glow!Just depends on how close you are to it and at what angle youre looking at it.
Valantar - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link
That may be true, but the degree and visibility of IPS glow can vary significantly, and I've yet to come across a monitor where it's really problematic (then again I've never used a really cheap IPS to any extent).Beaver M. - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link
Then you should play more dark games. Its always a problem in those games.Valantar - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link
Do you tend to play games viewing your monitor from the side? 'cause if not, either your experience is with quite terrible quality IPS panels, or something else is wrong with your monitor. IPS glow should not be visible head-on.Beaver M. - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link
IPS glow is very visible head on, just not as much in bright content. Even on the best panels. The bigger the panels are, the bigger that problem gets, unless you also increase distance to it, which defeats the purpose of bigger monitors.Youre pretty much arguing that the moon is square right now.
So whatever, not in the mood trying to explain reality to someone who denies it anyway.
austonia - Monday, January 14, 2019 - link
I hope these go for $2000 or less, but probably twice that.