And at this rate, in sold smartphones, Huawei will by 2020 overtake Samsung, as Samsung has totally cratered in China and is losing ground fast in India, Indonesia and Malaysia.
This, regardless of who spies on who and why, and who's the bad guy of the month in media.
I agree - governments and operators outside the immediate influence of NSA trust Huawei as much as they would an American company.
In fact, here in Finland at least one 4G network has been completely outsourced to Huawei - they handle hardware, software and operation. I believe it's the same in many other countries as well - Huawei has an operations center in some East European country - Bulgaria, Romania or some such.
it's hardly a matter of trust, when someone launches a tender huawei comes in with ridicolously low offers compared to what was the normal market once, and they win.
Did you guys ever think that Huawei is low because they are subsidised by the Chinese government in order to get penitration into the market so they can control more? Think about it for a sec...
Why think without research? Are you not capable of making sound judgments?
It’s very easy to figure out really. When a gangster can no longer compete fairly, he resorts to extortion and kidnapping. By the way, don’t any of you so called techies tell me about security. I’ve been in IT field since 2001. Government can easily spy and hack any phone, computer or smart device, especially our government who has unlimited resource to do so. There’s many cases from Apple. Google it! Well, don’t leave out Google, Microsoft and Samsung.
It doesn’t matter who makes the phone. I’ll buy what I think has the best value for my hard earned money. Capisce!
The notion that Americans, for example, have nothing to fear from Chinese spying is absurd.
A lot of Americans depend on ties to the Chinese economy. Their children may even want to do things like deal with Chinese companies. Being blackballed with a foreigner's Sesame Score is bad news.
Censorship is something that spreads in a globalized world. It doesn't just stay nicely contained. It's like the air, water, and soil pollution of China that spreads, including via contaminated food.
Pot-kettle is called the tu quoque fallacy for a reason. It evades the issue (actor A's behavior) by changing the subject (actor B's behavior).
There is also the issue of IP theft. Spycraft from all directions is a threat to individuals' ability to rise socially.
If rich people can steal the innovations of the plebs to enrich themselves then they don't merely have to have a renter's economy that doles out regurgitations of their old IP, protected forever by Sonny Bono's rictus.
Pot-kettle applies here, because every government that has the means to do so will spy on everyone. This means a consumer's attempts to avoid that thru device or software selection are ineffective.
Warnings about Chinese manufacturers are meant to boost (the relative) confidence and spending in U.S. products, and to make it easier for NSA to get access.
Americans are afraid of competition? With the exception of Apple & Google phones, all the other smartphone companies are NOT American. Samsung, LG, Oneplus, Sony, Asus, Huawei, so how are they scared of competition?
people buying phones changes nothing because huawei does price dumping in network infrastructure and your apple device may be spied on just as much as an huawei device if the infrastructure is all huawei.
"The Chinese Government hasn't encroached on my right to privacy... Yet."
False.
When MLK said "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" he wasn't speaking hyperbolically. His statement becomes more and more tangible as technology increases the embeddedness of globalization.
If you are of any importance, even marginal, you should assume you have a dossier on a Chinese server. You have one on a number of US ones. Data storage is cheap when the plebs pay for it. The Utah facility uses 1.6 billion gallons of water but is, or will be, exempted from paying tax on energy and water.
"One of Utah's largest energy users might not have to pay a utility tax. Utah lawmakers are considering exempting the National Security Agency's Utah Data Center from the tax that would bring $6 million a year to the state.
The $1.5 billion data center, which opened last fall, is estimated to consume $40 million in electricity annually and could require as much as 1.7 million gallons of water per day to cool its supercomputers."
I assume that the measure passed and that it uses more water and energy today than in 2014.
"I'd trust the US government 10 times over the Chinese government. You have to pick a side. Choose wisely."
Illogical. See my comment above.
The only side anyone who is rational should pick is the side where individuals have their constitutional rights. That is what protects IP. IP isn't just something rich people are supposed to be able to have.
I'll side with the USA government on this company. I will never buy a Hauwei product, if I can help it. I also have personal reasons beyond the loyalty to my home country. Hauwei drove the removal of the headphone jack leading this movement. Add to that they possibility of Chinese government influence on their products, just doesn't sit well with me. I trust my USA government far more than I trust the Chinese government.
I think the main concern I have with Huawei is with how laughably blatant they try to mimic iOS and iPhone designs in general and how the government protects them from doing this. What's that, Apple? You mad bro? How about we shut down your Foxconn factory?
Semi-joking aside, Huawei is one hell of a juggernaut.
I think the US should put up or shut up about Huawei. Either US intelligence has proof of hardware or software security issues with Huawei equipment and should detail what they've found for all to analyze or the US should be shamed and sued by Huawei for affecting its business. Latest news has the Anglo countries (US, UK, CA, AUS and NZ) banding together against Huawei citing cataclysmic intelligence reports with no facts. Last time that alliance was called to band together was when Bush Jr. insisted Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.
Indeed. Any article you read of 'Huawei Spying' just gives very vague info and doesn't categorically state any particular proof of chips/firmware etc. etc.
If it was that bad, they wouldn't be available. As others have said Western Govts don't like the competition and more likely Huawei phones are harder to break into for the CIA/MI6 etc.
It's got so bad that some tech journos are now flat out asking Govts to state their sources/facts or just f*** off.
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dudedud - Tuesday, December 25, 2018 - link
There is no link to the source, was it a press release?Ian Cutress - Tuesday, December 25, 2018 - link
We were given the press release in advance by email. Much like a lot of our news.austinsguitar - Tuesday, December 25, 2018 - link
usa coming in hot on this one though. be careful Huaweimeacupla - Tuesday, December 25, 2018 - link
I think it's pretty evident that Huawei and China cannot be trusted anymore, why do people still buy them?Darcey R. Epperly - Tuesday, December 25, 2018 - link
Same the USA spy agreement with NSA? There is not trust nowhere.halcyon - Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - link
And at this rate, in sold smartphones, Huawei will by 2020 overtake Samsung, as Samsung has totally cratered in China and is losing ground fast in India, Indonesia and Malaysia.This, regardless of who spies on who and why, and who's the bad guy of the month in media.
halcyon - Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - link
Germany, France and UK all trust them quite well.Only the USA+FiveEyes+Japan don't want them, because NSA can't install back doors on their network equipment.
The phones are decent for the price, but of course Americans are afraid of competition and want them squashed.
And NSA spies on everybody and everything in the world, so it's a case of pot calling kettle black.
Hul8 - Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - link
I agree - governments and operators outside the immediate influence of NSA trust Huawei as much as they would an American company.In fact, here in Finland at least one 4G network has been completely outsourced to Huawei - they handle hardware, software and operation. I believe it's the same in many other countries as well - Huawei has an operations center in some East European country - Bulgaria, Romania or some such.
Murloc - Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - link
it's hardly a matter of trust, when someone launches a tender huawei comes in with ridicolously low offers compared to what was the normal market once, and they win.Narg - Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - link
Did you guys ever think that Huawei is low because they are subsidised by the Chinese government in order to get penitration into the market so they can control more? Think about it for a sec...sonny73n - Thursday, December 27, 2018 - link
What’s so spam about my comment that AT didn’t let me post?sonny73n - Thursday, December 27, 2018 - link
@NargWhy think without research? Are you not capable of making sound judgments?
It’s very easy to figure out really. When a gangster can no longer compete fairly, he resorts to extortion and kidnapping.
By the way, don’t any of you so called techies tell me about security. I’ve been in IT field since 2001. Government can easily spy and hack any phone, computer or smart device, especially our government who has unlimited resource to do so. There’s many cases from Apple. Google it! Well, don’t leave out Google, Microsoft and Samsung.
It doesn’t matter who makes the phone. I’ll buy what I think has the best value for my hard earned money. Capisce!
Oxford Guy - Friday, December 28, 2018 - link
The notion that Americans, for example, have nothing to fear from Chinese spying is absurd.A lot of Americans depend on ties to the Chinese economy. Their children may even want to do things like deal with Chinese companies. Being blackballed with a foreigner's Sesame Score is bad news.
Censorship is something that spreads in a globalized world. It doesn't just stay nicely contained. It's like the air, water, and soil pollution of China that spreads, including via contaminated food.
Pot-kettle is called the tu quoque fallacy for a reason. It evades the issue (actor A's behavior) by changing the subject (actor B's behavior).
Oxford Guy - Friday, December 28, 2018 - link
There is also the issue of IP theft. Spycraft from all directions is a threat to individuals' ability to rise socially.If rich people can steal the innovations of the plebs to enrich themselves then they don't merely have to have a renter's economy that doles out regurgitations of their old IP, protected forever by Sonny Bono's rictus.
Hul8 - Saturday, December 29, 2018 - link
Pot-kettle applies here, because every government that has the means to do so will spy on everyone. This means a consumer's attempts to avoid that thru device or software selection are ineffective.Warnings about Chinese manufacturers are meant to boost (the relative) confidence and spending in U.S. products, and to make it easier for NSA to get access.
poohbear - Wednesday, January 2, 2019 - link
Americans are afraid of competition? With the exception of Apple & Google phones, all the other smartphone companies are NOT American. Samsung, LG, Oneplus, Sony, Asus, Huawei, so how are they scared of competition?Murloc - Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - link
people buying phones changes nothing because huawei does price dumping in network infrastructure and your apple device may be spied on just as much as an huawei device if the infrastructure is all huawei.Narg - Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - link
Who did those companies spy for? I'd trust the US government 10 times over the Chinese government. You have to pick a side. Choose wisely.StevoLincolnite - Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - link
I think I would trust the Chinese government more than the US Government.The Chinese Government hasn't encroached on my right to privacy... Yet.
sseemaku - Thursday, December 27, 2018 - link
I thought people in China have to install a government sponsored firewall and the browsing is closely monitored.Oxford Guy - Friday, December 28, 2018 - link
"The Chinese Government hasn't encroached on my right to privacy... Yet."False.
When MLK said "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" he wasn't speaking hyperbolically. His statement becomes more and more tangible as technology increases the embeddedness of globalization.
If you are of any importance, even marginal, you should assume you have a dossier on a Chinese server. You have one on a number of US ones. Data storage is cheap when the plebs pay for it. The Utah facility uses 1.6 billion gallons of water but is, or will be, exempted from paying tax on energy and water.
Oxford Guy - Friday, December 28, 2018 - link
Sorry, typo:"One of Utah's largest energy users might not have to pay a utility tax. Utah lawmakers are considering exempting the National Security Agency's Utah Data Center from the tax that would bring $6 million a year to the state.
The $1.5 billion data center, which opened last fall, is estimated to consume $40 million in electricity annually and could require as much as 1.7 million gallons of water per day to cool its supercomputers."
I assume that the measure passed and that it uses more water and energy today than in 2014.
Oxford Guy - Friday, December 28, 2018 - link
"I'd trust the US government 10 times over the Chinese government. You have to pick a side. Choose wisely."Illogical. See my comment above.
The only side anyone who is rational should pick is the side where individuals have their constitutional rights. That is what protects IP. IP isn't just something rich people are supposed to be able to have.
Narg - Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - link
I'll side with the USA government on this company. I will never buy a Hauwei product, if I can help it. I also have personal reasons beyond the loyalty to my home country. Hauwei drove the removal of the headphone jack leading this movement. Add to that they possibility of Chinese government influence on their products, just doesn't sit well with me. I trust my USA government far more than I trust the Chinese government.Oxford Guy - Friday, December 28, 2018 - link
"I trust my USA government far more than I trust the Chinese government."To do what? Such blanket statements as that are blindness embodied.
quiksilvr - Wednesday, December 26, 2018 - link
I think the main concern I have with Huawei is with how laughably blatant they try to mimic iOS and iPhone designs in general and how the government protects them from doing this. What's that, Apple? You mad bro? How about we shut down your Foxconn factory?Semi-joking aside, Huawei is one hell of a juggernaut.
vicbee - Thursday, December 27, 2018 - link
I think the US should put up or shut up about Huawei. Either US intelligence has proof of hardware or software security issues with Huawei equipment and should detail what they've found for all to analyze or the US should be shamed and sued by Huawei for affecting its business. Latest news has the Anglo countries (US, UK, CA, AUS and NZ) banding together against Huawei citing cataclysmic intelligence reports with no facts. Last time that alliance was called to band together was when Bush Jr. insisted Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.jabber - Monday, December 31, 2018 - link
Indeed. Any article you read of 'Huawei Spying' just gives very vague info and doesn't categorically state any particular proof of chips/firmware etc. etc.If it was that bad, they wouldn't be available. As others have said Western Govts don't like the competition and more likely Huawei phones are harder to break into for the CIA/MI6 etc.
It's got so bad that some tech journos are now flat out asking Govts to state their sources/facts or just f*** off.
jabber - Monday, December 31, 2018 - link
I wouldn't trust either of them as far as I could throw them.Beyonslay - Friday, January 4, 2019 - link
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ALeUNe - Sunday, January 6, 2019 - link
Huawei are selling many middle-low end models.Hrel - Monday, January 28, 2019 - link
Still no articles about wire tapping or spying or federal investigation on anandtech about this company? What gives?jahid - Tuesday, January 29, 2019 - link
Samsung mobile biggest market in BangladeshHuawei some increase market in Bangladesh