What is the plan QUALCOMM to support AR in upcoming chipset 855? Qualcomm vision about AR user cases (software, hardware, gadgets)? Which AR products will be leaders on the market in the near future?
Well, same 7nm, renamed A76 and A55 cores (Gold, Silver... who the hell they are fooling?), GPU for even more useless and power-hungry resolutions for number-chasers, even smaller battery life... and expensive and power-hungry separate X50 which will not work anywhere.
What is needed for modern phones is energy-efficient screens, more battery capacity per g and fast flash.
More is not necessarily better. If you actually need the 2tb/month then its a great deal for you. Personally I have 12 gb/month with rollover on my plan, shared between two phones and occasional WiFi hotspot usage. We never use it all. So if the carrier came along and said "we will give you 2/TB for only $10 more" I probably wouldn't take it. There would be no reason to pay even $1 more for something I wouldn't use.
Huawei said at the moment 5G modem will consume far more power than LTE. I think Qualcomm said there will be two versions of 855, one with LTE and one with 5G. I am wondering what would be the battery life difference.
There are many 5G opportunities beyond the smartphone. For starters, Qualcomm should make a small, cheap open source 5G router kit that supports all the cellular providers.
You "think" Qualcomm said there will be a 5G 855? What world are you living in? The picture and text CLEARLY shows EXTERNAL 5G modem, and here you are, thinking there are 3 configurations - what Qualcomm showed us plus what's in your head.
Almost certainly there will be two versions but not. If the 4G modem is integrated into the 855 SoC and the 5G modem is separate then it'll be up to the device manufacturer to decide if they want to purchase 5G capability or not for a specified device. Whilst the discrete 5G chip is almost certainly due to technical limitations, it provides potential for differentiation within the market. Some markets will have a requirement for an 855 SoC but no use for 5G in the expected lifespan of the device and therefore 4G is all that it'll ship with.
Having seen some of the designs for the 5G modems I sincerely doubt that there is any chance of integration into the SoC any time soon if that's what you mean.
It does, but it will be offset by 7nm and other technology improvement, it should in theory uses less energy / MB than say LTE. but in practice, it will likely be the same or little more.
So I hope they get millions and millions of early adopters. I won't be one of them. But I hope plenty of others buy so that in a couple of years its main stream enough for me :)
Yeah. Just bought a new 4G phone - and not even LTE Pro, just Advanced. I could see gamers being impressed by lower ping-times but it's essentially a non-issue for regular bulk transfer operations; you'll be more likely to be capped by your phone's performance in other areas.
@Ian: Thanks. I hope QC will release additional information about the CPU/GPU capabilities of the 855 later today; I am especially curious about their A76 use in the 855.
I would also like a deep dive into 5G here in AnandTech. A lot of unanswered questions right now, some background would really help. My understanding of millimeter wave tech is that, yes, it can be very fast indeed, but that those signals have a much harder time going through walls/around corners because of them being much shorter (millimeter) wavelengths. So, will we have superfast 5G networks with many, many dark spots without 5G coverage, even in cities? Also, how much more power will have to be emitted by the phone to reach the nearest cell? Not sure that mobile phones are the best use of 5G at this stage; I could see it replacing vectoring DSL and glass fiber to home/last mile, as both don't have the power constraints of a mobile device that has to fit into one's pocket.
It’s being said that 5G transmitters need to be within 30-50 feet of the receiver. Just going through air cuts the signal significantly. So we’ll need millions of 5G transmitters everywhere for this to work. A 5G router for every room in the house, and some way to get the signal through walls and Windows.
What happens if you live on the second or third story, or higher? What if you live facing away from the street where all those transmitters are located?
This is all just BS right now. There won’t be much real deployment of 5G for a good 5 years, and the industry has admitted that major coverage won’t be for ten years down the road, with almost full coverage until fifteen years from now.
Anyone buying into this in 2018, 2019, 2020 will be very disappointed.
That really depends on where you live. I bet Manhattan and the densely populated parts of LA and New Jersey will have pretty good coverage in a year or two. If you live in rural Idaho, then you should probably hold off for a while.
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Andrew Art - Tuesday, December 4, 2018 - link
Dear Ian, questions for your launch.What is the plan QUALCOMM to support AR in upcoming chipset 855? Qualcomm vision about AR user cases (software, hardware, gadgets)? Which AR products will be leaders on the market in the near future?
syxbit - Tuesday, December 4, 2018 - link
Let me guess. They'll boast that they're better than the A12.Then they'll launch and be worse.
peevee - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
Well, same 7nm, renamed A76 and A55 cores (Gold, Silver... who the hell they are fooling?), GPU for even more useless and power-hungry resolutions for number-chasers, even smaller battery life... and expensive and power-hungry separate X50 which will not work anywhere.What is needed for modern phones is energy-efficient screens, more battery capacity per g and fast flash.
Cliff34 - Tuesday, December 4, 2018 - link
Unless carrier increases data plans into 20-50 Gb a month, i don't see much of use for 5G networks.hyno111 - Tuesday, December 4, 2018 - link
Even if they do, most users have no need for that amount anyway.dontlistentome - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
100GB is easily available for £20 a month is the UK.Badelhas - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
Lucky for you. That´s not the norm, though.Ian Cutress - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
The US is an odd market for data compared to a lot of the world because of carrier segregation.For example I can pick up an unlimited 4G travel SIM in Taipei at the airport for $35/month. Residents get better deals.
Speedfriend - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
And that is already at speeds well over 100Mbps if you are on EEAllan_Hundeboll - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
My 4g dataplan includes 2tb/month.I think US carriers get away including less data because customers in US prefer to to purchase subsided phones.
Ratman6161 - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
More is not necessarily better. If you actually need the 2tb/month then its a great deal for you. Personally I have 12 gb/month with rollover on my plan, shared between two phones and occasional WiFi hotspot usage. We never use it all. So if the carrier came along and said "we will give you 2/TB for only $10 more" I probably wouldn't take it. There would be no reason to pay even $1 more for something I wouldn't use.KPOM - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
Subsidies and 2 year contracts went away a few years ago. Carriers are back to providing “unlimited” plans but they can throttle after 22GB.tipoo - Tuesday, December 4, 2018 - link
The one big-er core idea seems to be paying dividends. ~3700GB single core, big jump from the 845s 2400. Interesting concept.wr3zzz - Tuesday, December 4, 2018 - link
Huawei said at the moment 5G modem will consume far more power than LTE. I think Qualcomm said there will be two versions of 855, one with LTE and one with 5G. I am wondering what would be the battery life difference.10101010 - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
There are many 5G opportunities beyond the smartphone. For starters, Qualcomm should make a small, cheap open source 5G router kit that supports all the cellular providers.levizx - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
You "think" Qualcomm said there will be a 5G 855? What world are you living in? The picture and text CLEARLY shows EXTERNAL 5G modem, and here you are, thinking there are 3 configurations - what Qualcomm showed us plus what's in your head.philehidiot - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
Almost certainly there will be two versions but not. If the 4G modem is integrated into the 855 SoC and the 5G modem is separate then it'll be up to the device manufacturer to decide if they want to purchase 5G capability or not for a specified device. Whilst the discrete 5G chip is almost certainly due to technical limitations, it provides potential for differentiation within the market. Some markets will have a requirement for an 855 SoC but no use for 5G in the expected lifespan of the device and therefore 4G is all that it'll ship with.Having seen some of the designs for the 5G modems I sincerely doubt that there is any chance of integration into the SoC any time soon if that's what you mean.
iwod - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
It does, but it will be offset by 7nm and other technology improvement, it should in theory uses less energy / MB than say LTE. but in practice, it will likely be the same or little more.Ian Cutress - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
Look at the 855 + X50 picture. The 'version with 4G' is just the 855 on its own. The 'version with 5G' is when the X50 is combined in the system.Allan_Hundeboll - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
Lte integrated in soc, but Qualcomm's 5g solution isn't integrated, so it will probably use more battery -just like the first lte solutions did.Ratman6161 - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
So I hope they get millions and millions of early adopters. I won't be one of them. But I hope plenty of others buy so that in a couple of years its main stream enough for me :)GreenReaper - Thursday, December 6, 2018 - link
Yeah. Just bought a new 4G phone - and not even LTE Pro, just Advanced. I could see gamers being impressed by lower ping-times but it's essentially a non-issue for regular bulk transfer operations; you'll be more likely to be capped by your phone's performance in other areas.eastcoast_pete - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
@Ian: Thanks. I hope QC will release additional information about the CPU/GPU capabilities of the 855 later today; I am especially curious about their A76 use in the 855.I would also like a deep dive into 5G here in AnandTech. A lot of unanswered questions right now, some background would really help.
My understanding of millimeter wave tech is that, yes, it can be very fast indeed, but that those signals have a much harder time going through walls/around corners because of them being much shorter (millimeter) wavelengths. So, will we have superfast 5G networks with many, many dark spots without 5G coverage, even in cities? Also, how much more power will have to be emitted by the phone to reach the nearest cell? Not sure that mobile phones are the best use of 5G at this stage; I could see it replacing vectoring DSL and glass fiber to home/last mile, as both don't have the power constraints of a mobile device that has to fit into one's pocket.
melgross - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
It’s being said that 5G transmitters need to be within 30-50 feet of the receiver. Just going through air cuts the signal significantly. So we’ll need millions of 5G transmitters everywhere for this to work. A 5G router for every room in the house, and some way to get the signal through walls and Windows.What happens if you live on the second or third story, or higher? What if you live facing away from the street where all those transmitters are located?
GreenReaper - Thursday, December 6, 2018 - link
I predict a bunch of editorials pointing this out: "Living in the Shadow of 4G"A5 - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
An upper-midrange device with the 855 and no X50 modem seem like the sweetspot for 2019 phones.melgross - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
This is all just BS right now. There won’t be much real deployment of 5G for a good 5 years, and the industry has admitted that major coverage won’t be for ten years down the road, with almost full coverage until fifteen years from now.Anyone buying into this in 2018, 2019, 2020 will be very disappointed.
cfenton - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
That really depends on where you live. I bet Manhattan and the densely populated parts of LA and New Jersey will have pretty good coverage in a year or two. If you live in rural Idaho, then you should probably hold off for a while.leexgx - Wednesday, December 5, 2018 - link
Can you please stop placing silent audio ads on your website is pissing me off now as it's takes hold of my bluetooth headset and preventing me from being able to hear audio from my second phone