Considering that currently the only way to get an 8C/16T processor from Intel outside HEDT is to buy the $550 i9, I will be a little bit surprised if they put out an 8C/16T Xeon E at ~$400 even with a slightly lower clock speed. My wild guess is that either these are going to take a while to come out or we're looking at prices more like 500/750 for the low/high 8C models.
I think especially in last year or so it is a common misconception that Xeon's are more expensive. This is also a single CPU workstation CPU and I be really curious about performance difference between it and HEDT part - especially it base on scalable architecture
It's pretty clearly just a Xeon flavored i9-9900. As with the Xeon E 2186G vs. the i7 8700K, you can expect this Xeon E to perform a bit worse than its mainstream desktop counterpart.
The Xeon E parts aren't priced like the larger core count Xeons. For example the E-2146G (6 core/12 thread) 3.5Ghz/4.5Ghz_maxturbo 80W with a UHD 630 GPU is priced at $311 while the i7-9700K (6 core/12 thread) 3.6Ghz/4.9Ghz_maxturbo 95W with a UHD 630 GPU is priced at $374. Note prices are Intel's list.
Ah but don't forget that in order to have a Xeon with any new pc you have to buy Windows Pro for Workstations 4 Cores+ now this is about an extra £100 in the UK. For the up to 4 Cores version it is more like £30 extra, not sure that played into the pricing but given that single socket workstations are unlikely benefit from any of the additional features of pro for Workstations it is an odd tactic from Microsoft. Not sure there is any charge for AMD but then not seeing big OEM workststions using those CPUs...yet
Ha, well the vast majority of the market running professional applicaitons such a CAD, FEA, CFD etc , there is a reason Microsoft have done this, the market will pay it as in the grand scheme vs the license costs of the actual software you are running on it, it is still fairly small.
Are these Xeons using the Scalable Architecture instead Ring Architecture in the desktops chips.?
The newer Scalable architecture is suppose to be significantly better in performance than the Ring Architecture because how CPU cores communicate to bus.
The following article has some information - but does not go into detail on actual scalable part and only limits it to two processors - I believe the real advantage is when more than 2P is used.
The Xeon E series is basically just their mainstream desktop CPUs, with a few less features disabled that are primarily of interest for entry-level workstations and small servers. If you upset with their die size strategy, then you ought to criticize their decision to increase core counts in their mainstream desktop CPUs and their decision to move the entire Xeon W line to HCC dies.
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Eletriarnation - Monday, November 26, 2018 - link
Considering that currently the only way to get an 8C/16T processor from Intel outside HEDT is to buy the $550 i9, I will be a little bit surprised if they put out an 8C/16T Xeon E at ~$400 even with a slightly lower clock speed. My wild guess is that either these are going to take a while to come out or we're looking at prices more like 500/750 for the low/high 8C models.descendency - Monday, November 26, 2018 - link
With this being a Xeon E part, I'd be shocked at <$600. I'd be less shocked at $1000. Xeon parts are priced well above their consumer counterparts.HStewart - Monday, November 26, 2018 - link
I think especially in last year or so it is a common misconception that Xeon's are more expensive. This is also a single CPU workstation CPU and I be really curious about performance difference between it and HEDT part - especially it base on scalable architecturemode_13h - Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - link
It's pretty clearly just a Xeon flavored i9-9900. As with the Xeon E 2186G vs. the i7 8700K, you can expect this Xeon E to perform a bit worse than its mainstream desktop counterpart.ilt24 - Monday, November 26, 2018 - link
The Xeon E parts aren't priced like the larger core count Xeons. For example the E-2146G (6 core/12 thread) 3.5Ghz/4.5Ghz_maxturbo 80W with a UHD 630 GPU is priced at $311 while the i7-9700K (6 core/12 thread) 3.6Ghz/4.9Ghz_maxturbo 95W with a UHD 630 GPU is priced at $374. Note prices are Intel's list.for a comparison see: https://ark.intel.com/compare/186604,134866
Alsw - Monday, November 26, 2018 - link
Ah but don't forget that in order to have a Xeon with any new pc you have to buy Windows Pro for Workstations 4 Cores+ now this is about an extra £100 in the UK. For the up to 4 Cores version it is more like £30 extra, not sure that played into the pricing but given that single socket workstations are unlikely benefit from any of the additional features of pro for Workstations it is an odd tactic from Microsoft. Not sure there is any charge for AMD but then not seeing big OEM workststions using those CPUs...yetmode_13h - Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - link
Who would waste a perfectly good workstation by running Windows on it? Windows is only for gaming, and Linux is even making inroads there.Alsw - Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - link
Ha, well the vast majority of the market running professional applicaitons such a CAD, FEA, CFD etc , there is a reason Microsoft have done this, the market will pay it as in the grand scheme vs the license costs of the actual software you are running on it, it is still fairly small.mode_13h - Wednesday, November 28, 2018 - link
I figured, but couldn't resist.A lot of professional applications are supported on Linux, BTW.
nivedita - Thursday, November 29, 2018 - link
Nope. You need Windows 10 Pro for Workstations if you want more than 2 sockets not cores. Windows 10 Pro supports up to dual-socket xeons.mode_13h - Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - link
None of the Xeon E series, nor the E3 which preceded it ever sold for $1k, or even close to it.Check the price list in this article: https://www.anandtech.com/show/12199/intel-launche...
HStewart - Monday, November 26, 2018 - link
Are these Xeons using the Scalable Architecture instead Ring Architecture in the desktops chips.?The newer Scalable architecture is suppose to be significantly better in performance than the Ring Architecture because how CPU cores communicate to bus.
The following article has some information - but does not go into detail on actual scalable part
and only limits it to two processors - I believe the real advantage is when more than 2P is used.
https://www.servethehome.com/the-new-intel-mesh-in...
ilt24 - Monday, November 26, 2018 - link
"Are these Xeons using the Scalable Architecture"No as the table in the article says they are Xeon's based on Coffee Lake chips.
Ian Cutress - Monday, November 26, 2018 - link
No, as mentioned in all our other Xeon E articles.HStewart - Monday, November 26, 2018 - link
Ok thanks - it would be nice to see difference between scalable and non scalable architectures.Ian Cutress - Monday, November 26, 2018 - link
We did this back in June 2017.https://www.anandtech.com/show/11550/the-intel-sky...
mode_13h - Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - link
Sigh. I'm honestly surprised you didn't know this, but I guess some people don't really pay much attention to Xeons.iwod - Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - link
So they are lacking in Wafer Capacity, and also trying to increase core count, hence Die Size?Someone should ask Intel's management at the next Investor meeting.
mode_13h - Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - link
Right comment, wrong article. Try here:https://www.anandtech.com/show/13400/intel-9th-gen...
Or here:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13539/the-intel-cor...
The Xeon E series is basically just their mainstream desktop CPUs, with a few less features disabled that are primarily of interest for entry-level workstations and small servers. If you upset with their die size strategy, then you ought to criticize their decision to increase core counts in their mainstream desktop CPUs and their decision to move the entire Xeon W line to HCC dies.