only $15 Lb extra for the 2700, but additional $22 extra for 2600x...IMO they should have also upped the 2600 to use the 2600x cooler.
to put another way IMO, no way that even the wrath max is worth $28-$35 (USD/CAD) extra when one can get 3rd party cooler for the same price that demolish them performance wise that unfortunately is the downfall of top down vs tower style coolers.
Example Gammaxx 200t is directly comparable to prism max and gammaxx 300/400 trashes it.
The wraith coolers are "nice" but I have a feeling because of the way the fan is closed in the way that it is airflow is not as good as it possibly can be (have the same feeling with reference blower style GPU cooler way too closed in so do not cool as well as they possibly could)
Good on AMD, maybe they should think about keeping price increase similar i.e $15 for 2600x and $15 for 2700 type deal and not make as limited edition availability would be "reasonable"
"no way that even the wrath max is worth $28-$35 (USD/CAD) extra when one can get 3rd party cooler for the same price that demolish them performance wise"
Citation needed on that one, please. My understanding it's that it's extremely competitive with 3rd party coolers available for that money, and easier to mount than most of them.
You don't money on the burger, you make it on the soda and fries - is this what AMD is doing here? If they included the PRISM, at least all the RBG people would jump on it.
It would be a good deal had they thrown in the upgraded cooler at the same price points, but by charging an extra ~$20 that is getting close to the price of Hyper 212 and other entry level tower coolers.
Hmm, I get that Precision Boost 2 is an improvement, but it looks like it still hits hard architectural limitations at about 4.3Ghz. This is compared to high end Intel chips that literally only seem to be limited in clockspeed by how well you can cool them.
The stock coolers cant take high overclock temperatures. The SPIRE on my 1700 keeps it just below 70C at 3.6 GHZ. To go any higher, I have to up the voltage, which pushes temps up to 75-76C at 3.6 GHz.
The MAXX cooler would be able to handle a bit more, but then you still want a large air/water cooler for pushing 4+ GHz.
A quick Google search shows a test by computerbase.de. There, it fails to impress me. It loses even to the Scythe Kotetsu Mark II, which is a bog standard, 35€ 120mm heatsink. The AMD Wraith Max costs 50€+ standalone, which is the price I paid for my BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 3 with AM4 mounts new from Amazon.de. Unless you definitely need the small height (85mm) and don't care too much about the noise a 92mm fan produces, this thing is not a good buy. Haven't seen € prices for the bundles, yet, but I don't see this being competitive for real DIYers in any way, shape or form.
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Dragonstongue - Monday, November 26, 2018 - link
only $15 Lb extra for the 2700, but additional $22 extra for 2600x...IMO they should have also upped the 2600 to use the 2600x cooler.to put another way IMO, no way that even the wrath max is worth $28-$35 (USD/CAD) extra when one can get 3rd party cooler for the same price that demolish them performance wise that unfortunately is the downfall of top down vs tower style coolers.
Example Gammaxx 200t is directly comparable to prism max and gammaxx 300/400 trashes it.
The wraith coolers are "nice" but I have a feeling because of the way the fan is closed in the way that it is airflow is not as good as it possibly can be (have the same feeling with reference blower style GPU cooler way too closed in so do not cool as well as they possibly could)
Good on AMD, maybe they should think about keeping price increase similar i.e $15 for 2600x and $15 for 2700 type deal and not make as limited edition availability would be "reasonable"
ahh well
Spunjji - Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - link
"no way that even the wrath max is worth $28-$35 (USD/CAD) extra when one can get 3rd party cooler for the same price that demolish them performance wise"Citation needed on that one, please. My understanding it's that it's extremely competitive with 3rd party coolers available for that money, and easier to mount than most of them.
Cellar Door - Monday, November 26, 2018 - link
You don't money on the burger, you make it on the soda and fries - is this what AMD is doing here? If they included the PRISM, at least all the RBG people would jump on it.Rocket321 - Monday, November 26, 2018 - link
It would be a good deal had they thrown in the upgraded cooler at the same price points, but by charging an extra ~$20 that is getting close to the price of Hyper 212 and other entry level tower coolers.Alistair - Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - link
Cooler is worth 50 dollars. It isn't comparable to the Hyper 212, totally different type and features.Cyanara - Monday, November 26, 2018 - link
I didn't think temperature was in any way the limiting factor in how far Ryzen can overclock? Definitely isn't on my 1600X.Spunjji - Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - link
You don't have Precision Boost 2 on your 1600X, that's why. :)Cyanara - Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - link
Hmm, I get that Precision Boost 2 is an improvement, but it looks like it still hits hard architectural limitations at about 4.3Ghz. This is compared to high end Intel chips that literally only seem to be limited in clockspeed by how well you can cool them.TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, November 29, 2018 - link
The stock coolers cant take high overclock temperatures. The SPIRE on my 1700 keeps it just below 70C at 3.6 GHZ. To go any higher, I have to up the voltage, which pushes temps up to 75-76C at 3.6 GHz.The MAXX cooler would be able to handle a bit more, but then you still want a large air/water cooler for pushing 4+ GHz.
just4U - Friday, November 30, 2018 - link
Under Load with the Prism cooler (working all 8 cores..) @ 4GHZ my 2700x does not reach 70C. Sits in the mid 60s.Death666Angel - Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - link
A quick Google search shows a test by computerbase.de. There, it fails to impress me. It loses even to the Scythe Kotetsu Mark II, which is a bog standard, 35€ 120mm heatsink. The AMD Wraith Max costs 50€+ standalone, which is the price I paid for my BeQuiet Dark Rock Pro 3 with AM4 mounts new from Amazon.de. Unless you definitely need the small height (85mm) and don't care too much about the noise a 92mm fan produces, this thing is not a good buy. Haven't seen € prices for the bundles, yet, but I don't see this being competitive for real DIYers in any way, shape or form.shaolin95 - Tuesday, November 27, 2018 - link
Great innovation lol