Agree, can't understand why do we need 3D facial recognition if we already have in screen FPS which is far more convenient. Just ditch it and maybe add rear FPS for backup.
Because China likes to complement their static facial recognition cameras with some mobile ones and perhaps mount some in the west, where static cameras might be harder to install?
... and a 3.5mm Jack. I wont throw away all my headphones so no device without that gets bought the next 5 years. My headphones are worth more than my phone so.... stupid to throw out.
You are an idiot I cannot understand weird ppl that they don't like EMUI .. what is so different to others ? it is all the same .. Just look at samsung new style it is 1000x crappier and so confusing to find anything in setings ! EMUI is fine EMUI is nicest
Pretty much everyone? Most people like the design of it, its not thick, its not flashy. Besides the look of a phone is completely bonkers to care about in purchasing a phone considering %99.9 of people have cases on them anyways.
I don’t get the point to all the cameras with different resolutions. What’s the point to the telephoto? Since digital zoom just crops out the edges, and gives lower resolution, with the file being just 8MP, and the wide being 40MP, with the tele being about three times that of the wide, you’re going to get a picture from the tele that’s no better that the same result from digital zoom, maybe worse.
If you bin the remaining pixels from the wide, then it will have lower noise too.
Well, check off another “feature” that serves no purpose.
Being uncropped, the 80mm equiv camera is effectively a larger sensor, and in principle will have less noise. Being only f/2.4 versus f/1.8 or f/2.2 will affect that, but I can't be arsed working out the numbers...
That statement pretty much sums up why its "useless" because most people buying the phone have no idea what it means. They just see "oh 4 cameras, it must be good".
You only partially right. Equivalent resolution of cropped image from 40MP sensor with the same image like telephoto sensor produces will have 40MP /9 = 4.4 MP not 8MP like telephoto produces
Their 40MP main sensor is in all likelihood another "quad bayer" module, meaning a whole lot of color information loss and really bad fuzzy quality upon magnification, it's no bayer-proper like the Lumias and it doesn't perform like one.
If no headphone jack is a deal breaker for you, might as well keep the phone you have for rest of life because down the line zero will have it. Why? Because zero reason to have it anymore.
Wow and just after it's discovered that there were millions of bugged ethernet cables. Clearly you know nothing of the Orwellian social credit spy program run by an authoritarian undemocratic regime that has imprisoned millions for not breaking any actual crimes.
For now the USA still had more citizens in prison in both relative and absolute (!!) Terms than any other country on earth. And equally done for political reasons - keeping poor and coloured people from voting or govt jobs (can't do that after being jailed).
Its still amazing that people forget that most the major companies in its roots started as a advertisement company. They literally exist to get info on people to resell it.
Only it's not... US is no way near China even if they do some dubious stuff. I must even almost agree with Trump in Chinas case and I consider it Orwellian land of evil with no hope left for its citizens to break free from their totalitarian government and emperor Si.
Chinese government spyware is nothing compared to Facebook, Google, Apple and whatever the hell you have gotten online with. Don’t believe me? Google it!
There are a lot of flaws. Non-standard memory expansion, a non-removable battery, and an awkwardly large screen that makes for some troubling usability problems. However, the worst offence is the addition of a ridiculous number of cameras that appear to serve no useful purpose except to keep Huawei's flagship apace with the latest mud slung at the wall of smartphone feature bloat from other OEMs. This is the kind of shit festival we get when one fish in the school turns a dumb direction and none of the other fish are intelligent enough to look first before following along and the trouble is that after each subsequent stupid turn, no one has bothered to stop and ask, "Should we omit some of these previous dumb ideas or just include them as cruft that drives up production costs as we add the next dumb idea onto the top of the steaming pile we've amassed over the last decade?"
A lot of your stated flaws are typical of current flagships. The non-standard SD card format is disappointing, but no worse than the complete absence of expandable storage on the Pixel and iPhone. Removable batteries are sadly dead, there hasn't been on even a midrange or high phone since 2016. Increasing screen size I agree with, but the trend is for larger phones and eliminating compact sizes as well. The cameras Huawei used to good effect with the P20 Pro and likely will enhance in the Mate 20 line. Even with generally worse software post picture processing, the P20 Pro had the best telephoto and low light images, hardly a marketing only implementation.
I never understood the whole "no expandable storage" thing. Do people not just transfer files with the million file managers out there to a home computer? I use my andriod phone and when i connect to home wifi, it literally transfers all items i want from a folder to home computers.
I mean from his example the pixel 3 has 64gigs of ram min...that is insane amount even for a smartphone. I take pics and videos for my job and even on my older nexus 6p don't have a issue with space.
I don't generally leave my laptop powered up and it doesn't have enough storage to handle the ~220GB of data on my phone's SD card. I suppose I could leave my external backup HDD plugged into it all of the time, but the PC isn't something I use often these days since my phone does everything I need a computer for these days. It's a lot easier, to migrate to a new phone as well if you can just pull out the SD card and stick it into a new handset and the other thing is that if the phone abruptly fails or is damaged unexpectedly, information stored in internal storage is lost forever.
None of those are "flaws" they just aren't what you particularly want. Other people want them, and most flagships have them whether you like them or not. Especially the screen. This phone is the same size as the Pixel 2XL, 3XL, Galaxy S9+, iPhone 7 and 8 plus,Xs max, LG V40. It's actually a really good size for usability thus why it sells so well across platforms. Expandable memory is fading as the need for it fades and removable batteries just weren't selling with most users replacing the whole phone every 1-2 years headphone jacks will be 100% gone in a few years as well. . You can either live in the past or buy a new phone because there arent any that fit your list.
Not really. Just because you want it doesnt mean others do. I can honestly say I have used a headphone jack in my phone 1 time in the past 6-7 years... and that was just to test it. Like most people, when I use my phone for music its via bluetooth in my car or on my BT speakers. I do occasionally use a BT headset for music while working out or jogging. Some people (gasp) dont even listen to music on their smartphones at all. The jack isnt needed or wanted by most people. You seem to think sales drive features, but it's the other way. Features drive sales. If phones with jacks were selling so well, OEM's would still be making them.
I like how you speak for everyone, when poll after poll have said users want and need the 3.5 mm jack. Multiple polls in multiple sites.
ITS bs like this that gets my goat. You can use a goddamn bluetooth earpiece or whatever on a phone with a 3.5 mm if you want. Why piss on other people's parade by propagating fallacies like this.
Make no mistake, a LOT of people want the jack. Most mid-upper mid range phones will continue to keep the jack. Despite how much you want the jack to die, it wont.
People might laugh, but its true "users" that are upset are polls prob from tech sites. Let alone the fact that most people prob just picked up the article of someone ranting it was gone and took it for fact. I don't know many people IRL that use headphone jack really.
Hell, even the pay as you go phones are getting rid of them.
To be clear , I do not "want the jack to die". I am just stating it's dying whether you like it or not. Polls on tech websites mean zero because the vast majority of people don't visit tech websites. I get why some people want it, my only point is this... You need to get with your workarounds because it will be extinct soon whether you like it or not.
"You can either live in the past or buy a new phone because there arent any that fit your list."
That statement is a fairly accurate summary of the state of the phone industry. Rephrasing it like this, "We'll tell you what feature you want and not give you any alternatives so Stockholm the trash we foist on you." It is at the heart of my dislike of the current state of consumer electronics.
There aren't many realistic options. The Goat above's "shut up and color" option is the most viable. Short of becoming a non-participant in modern society, that's pretty much the course we all get to take. I'm not at the point of jumping off-grid. I want the Internet for cat videos and Candy Crush. That want will probably continue to win over my disdain for the tech industry.
Say thanks to the Apple's marketing team, they achieved the perfect brain washing like the goat above. "1-2 years headphone jacks will be dead and live in past" just like expandable storage. Lol. I think goat should read what I post now - using an SGS the first Galaxy S - running custom kernel + ROM has Voodoo audio mod which unleashes rhr performance of the DAC to Audiophile grade with my Hybrid driver in ears and that phone has an SD Slot using 200GB card, Can even use 512. And has a perfect removable battery which stays standby and works for 15 days straight only for Audio at 1400+kbps tracks. No Wireless trash can provide that. But who cares right ?
We all are convenient with planned obsolescence called li ion tech powered junk with mediocre audio and will settle for this Samsung/iPhone clone because it has X cameras with which I can use Instagram and Snapchat to peaks.
The market value and the tremendous success of Apple is ruling the world. All other companies just follow them coz of shareholders pressure. A.k.a capitalism beast. People are really stupid and already incapable of thinking out of box. Add the super AI assistants so that they cannot for themselves. Yay we are now at $2Tn.
Apple destroyed everything from BGA hardware to proprietary protocols from repairs to services (SaaS as well) which fuels the whole ecosystem draconian empire that they constructed. And the empire is spreading without opposition but there will be one day when it a collapses...
It's not just the smartphones, obsolescence is part of today's society, everything is made just so you change of device every x years and there's very little you can do about it. I used my previous HTC for 5-6 years and didn't manage to keep it any longueur just cause the "idiots" that partitioned the storage space didn't thought 4-5 years down the road 8GB of system storage would be short, in the end I still had plenty of space left on the "users" partition... Also why is it so complicated to set a limit to how much your phone charges? if we could set it to 80% a battery would have a life cycle 10x longuer.
I dont disagree with you but it is what it is. It happened with qwerty keyboards, small screen phones too. If models that still had qwerty were selling more OEM's would have stayed with it. If models with small screens were selling more OEM's would have stayed with it. The same will happen to jacks. As it is now the only really major high selling devices that have it are Samsung and they have already said they will drop it in 2019 or was it 2020? either way get your workarounds ready.
Speak for yourself. I just went phone shopping and decided that all the new phones on the market are garbage. I ended up buying a used LG V20 on ebay, because it is the last phone manufactured that meets my criteria: 1. Removable battery, 2. 3.5mm audio jack, 3. MicroSD card, 4. Designed to survive drops and no glass back, 5. Decent camera, 6. Supports LineageOS
Most Just because phone manufacturers decided to make phones without these features doesn't mean that consumers are demanding phones without these features. Most people don't think about how easy it will be to replace the battery when they buy a phone, but if you explained that they will be forced to throw away their phones when the battery fails, most will want a removable battery. Tech review sites like Anandtech compound the problem by not explaining to consumers why a sealed battery will limit the lifespan of a phone.
You clearly have no freaking idea what you're talking about. It's simply idiotic to complain about having many cameras. The 20 pro has a super wide angle AND 5x optical zoom capabilities because of its 3 cameras It is fantastic bonus which, in combination with the superior processing hardware, allows for an actual serious photography. And the upcoming DxOmark score will illustrate that. Unlike the popular tech sites, they don't do just point and shoot casual scenes and selfies.
Add the stupid notch fad as well. And the ugly iOS clone UI, look at the battery bar literal ripoff iPhone. People and press are like the best design and say Google to copy them. And btw it;s not Nano SIM, it's a proprietary SD card which is next level of BS, more ecosystem lockdown..
Both are ugly. ugh. It's a shame that how Google has stooped down to these Chinese clones and the whole industry.
Nex S looks really stunning than all these stupid clones it even has a Hi-FI AKM DAC chipset, unfortunately that device OS is also iOS flavor as like some Chinese obsession with Apple.
You really have no idea the customer base of the average smart phone user. lol %99.9 of people give zero shits about the audio or the headphone jack. As for the battery bar? Are you for real? Apple didn't design that, its part of the standard put forth since flip phones.
THe notch isn't even a concern, ask anyone who complained about the Pixel 3 XL notch, then ask them after using it for a bit and its not even a thing to notice.
To prove my point about the audio, look at audio for PC how it went "downhill" for the better. It used to be everyone for good audio would just get PCI sound cards, now everyone is content with onboard audio on motherboards. Now you don't even notice a difference.
So glad i bought a Mate 10 Pro a few months back. Best phone on the market right now. Buy it while there's still in stock. Same hardware as the P20, better looking and much cheaper. Win! Mate 20 got ridiculous with that display size and price. Does it have a curved display? This ugly trend needs to go more than the notch. Yack!
Instead of making just one phone, they make 3 and they ruin every single one of them. Proprietary SD is as nasty as not having a slot. Make 1 good phone instead of 3 almosts, you greedy ...
Without unlocking/root/custom ROM, it’s a no-go: A vendor locking you out of your most personal computer without consent or the ability to change your mind any day belongs behind bars. If you sprefer an iPrison, that’s fine with me.
And I have several Androids which I use regularly. Consistency between the interfaces is a serious benefit and I wish even Google would stop mucking around: My first action on any new Android is still making sure the back button goes back where it belongs (on the right). I use LineageOS and Magisk on all because any perfect custom skin is incompatible with the rest of the crowd. Yes, some of them look quite beautiful and other features might even make me more productive, but cohesion is more important to me and I want the choice on a device own not rent or loan.
The last subscription phone I bought was for a land line in ’85: Wasn’t legal to install your own at that time in Germany. Paid many times it’s real value and learned my lesson. I keep my phones until they break, which typically my kids manage to do for me after I hand them down in the pristine condition I leave them, thanks to screen protectors and silicon cases. Never look at any part of the phone except the screen, so I couldn’t care less about the color or the material, but I love the ability to swap the battery and extend a good phone’s life. Still think the Galaxy Note 3 with its all plastic body is one of the best phones I own (no, didn’t give that one away, even if my main daily driver is a OnePlus 5) and it has a 128GB SD card, too.
With 128GB of on-board storage at reasonable prices, I can live without an SD card, but only if the USB-C connector supports bandwidth at the speed of the built-in storage, rather than just USB2: I don’t operate PCs without regular backup.
And I want USB-c docking including wired Ethernet and lag-free desktop mode so I can leave the laptop at home sometimes. That Kirin 980 should beat the crap out of the Apollo Lake Atom I am writing this on, so let’s use that very personal computer to its full potential… and as an RDP client if I need more.
I just hope they’ll do a HiKey980 board very soon, because I *do* want to check out this NPU for embedded inference: At least those come rooted by default!
Huawei is pleased with what the company has done with the rear of the device for feel. The main color choices for the Mate 20 and Mate 20 Pro use a glass ridged rear surface, with micro bumps as an oleophobic coating.
I swear to god, every vendor seems intent on finding a way to make their phone undesirable. This one would be ideal EXCEPT for using proprietary memory expansion instead of standard SD. NM memory is going nowhere because Huawei has patents on it. No other vendor will pay for the licensing. And due to the small market size, it will inevitably be considerably more expensive than SD.
This thing is a plagiarism of both Samsung and Apple products, it is not enough for the communist at Beijing to mock the free world rules and laws by selling copies of one decent company's product, instead, they go wild and violate two companies designs patents at once, will this situation last forever?
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Archipelago - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Very happy to see Huawei adding a very wide angle lens. Hopefully these phones will be a good alternative to the LG G7 which has gotten poor reviews.Dr. Swag - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Honestly I think a lot of people would've preferred if the mate 20 pro also had a teardrop notch and did away with the advanced facial recognition.t_oven - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Agree, can't understand why do we need 3D facial recognition if we already have in screen FPS which is far more convenient. Just ditch it and maybe add rear FPS for backup.Dodozoid - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
Because China likes to complement their static facial recognition cameras with some mobile ones and perhaps mount some in the west, where static cameras might be harder to install?Tams80 - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
It's handy if your hands aren't free, for whatever reason that may be.nikon133 - Monday, October 22, 2018 - link
Gloves?jospoortvliet - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
... and a 3.5mm Jack. I wont throw away all my headphones so no device without that gets bought the next 5 years. My headphones are worth more than my phone so.... stupid to throw out.imaheadcase - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
Yah don't you dare get a converter to use all those headphones. /rolls eyes.WasHopingForAnHonestReview - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
Not the point. No one wants dongles and adapters to manage.Apple fanboy! You've been found out!
goatfajitas - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Dear Google/Pixel hardware design engineers,Please take a look at this design and the LG V40, Note 9, OnePlus 6T, iPhone Xs and get a bloody clue!
Thanks,
Pretty much everyone
Beaver M. - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
Great hardware, but EMUI is torture.Makes my Huawei completely useless.
The worst Android adaption by far of them all.
Ethos Evoss - Saturday, November 3, 2018 - link
You are an idiotI cannot understand weird ppl that they don't like EMUI .. what is so different to others ? it is all the same .. Just look at samsung new style it is 1000x crappier and so confusing to find anything in setings !
EMUI is fine
EMUI is nicest
skavi - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
this phone is thicc tho.imaheadcase - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
Pretty much everyone? Most people like the design of it, its not thick, its not flashy. Besides the look of a phone is completely bonkers to care about in purchasing a phone considering %99.9 of people have cases on them anyways.melgross - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
I don’t get the point to all the cameras with different resolutions. What’s the point to the telephoto? Since digital zoom just crops out the edges, and gives lower resolution, with the file being just 8MP, and the wide being 40MP, with the tele being about three times that of the wide, you’re going to get a picture from the tele that’s no better that the same result from digital zoom, maybe worse.If you bin the remaining pixels from the wide, then it will have lower noise too.
Well, check off another “feature” that serves no purpose.
BedfordTim - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Please don't make the marketing department sad.rpg1966 - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Being uncropped, the 80mm equiv camera is effectively a larger sensor, and in principle will have less noise. Being only f/2.4 versus f/1.8 or f/2.2 will affect that, but I can't be arsed working out the numbers...rpg1966 - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Also, the number of MP (and file size) only really affects the resolution, not the noise.imaheadcase - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
That statement pretty much sums up why its "useless" because most people buying the phone have no idea what it means. They just see "oh 4 cameras, it must be good".SanX - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
You only partially right. Equivalent resolution of cropped image from 40MP sensor with the same image like telephoto sensor produces will have 40MP /9 = 4.4 MP not 8MP like telephoto producesjabber - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
I'd take making the phone 2-3 mm deeper with a bigger battery and this would allow a better internal lens setup.s.yu - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Their 40MP main sensor is in all likelihood another "quad bayer" module, meaning a whole lot of color information loss and really bad fuzzy quality upon magnification, it's no bayer-proper like the Lumias and it doesn't perform like one.Ethos Evoss - Saturday, November 3, 2018 - link
So if it is worse how come it is best camere from all smartphones ??? joker ?zodiacfml - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Interesting. Huawei has thrown everything into it. It checks most things for me, it is going to cost though.shabby - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Almost everything, no ois on main camera, weird sdcard, no headphone jack, it was almost perfect.Peskarik - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
It was too good to be true, I agree. Huawei took it and spoiled it.imaheadcase - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
If no headphone jack is a deal breaker for you, might as well keep the phone you have for rest of life because down the line zero will have it. Why? Because zero reason to have it anymore.Tams80 - Saturday, October 20, 2018 - link
Oh, you know: other than the 3.5mm jack being more durable when plugged in and not taking up the sole port on most phones.Take your I'm all right Jack take up the ladder attitude and procreate off.
Ethos Evoss - Saturday, November 3, 2018 - link
You all here little boys .. those your problems u have am happiest guy ..djayjp - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Ian, you forgot this critical feature: now with improved Chinese government spyware...SetiroN - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Sigh, Americans.djayjp - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Wow and just after it's discovered that there were millions of bugged ethernet cables. Clearly you know nothing of the Orwellian social credit spy program run by an authoritarian undemocratic regime that has imprisoned millions for not breaking any actual crimes.SetiroN - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Sure friend, don't forget to sing your pledge of allegiance now.jospoortvliet - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
For now the USA still had more citizens in prison in both relative and absolute (!!) Terms than any other country on earth. And equally done for political reasons - keeping poor and coloured people from voting or govt jobs (can't do that after being jailed).imaheadcase - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
You literally described the USA with its prison system and spying program. lolgoatfajitas - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Only 1/2 of us...Peskarik - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
every manufacturer spies on their consumers, duh. Apple, Google, what do you think they do?imaheadcase - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
Its still amazing that people forget that most the major companies in its roots started as a advertisement company. They literally exist to get info on people to resell it.Achtung_BG - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-33398...https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33106044
US or China for the other world is the same shit
Dodozoid - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
Only it's not... US is no way near China even if they do some dubious stuff. I must even almost agree with Trump in Chinas case and I consider it Orwellian land of evil with no hope left for its citizens to break free from their totalitarian government and emperor Si.jospoortvliet - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
Yet they imprison less people than the US, despite having 3-5x the population...KPOM - Sunday, October 21, 2018 - link
Are you claiming the Chinese are free to express dissent for their government?sonny73n - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
Chinese government spyware is nothing compared to Facebook, Google, Apple and whatever the hell you have gotten online with. Don’t believe me? Google it!Ethos Evoss - Saturday, November 3, 2018 - link
You paranooid idiot ..Xex360 - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Notch=blind stupidity.Beaver M. - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
OLED screen. You can simply turn it off and it looks like it doesnt have one.ToTTenTranz - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Proprietary memory cards.Of course, because that has a history of going well for the product. Like the Playstation Vita.
s.yu - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Yup, they obviously think they're Sony of the 80's now.PeachNCream - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
There are a lot of flaws. Non-standard memory expansion, a non-removable battery, and an awkwardly large screen that makes for some troubling usability problems. However, the worst offence is the addition of a ridiculous number of cameras that appear to serve no useful purpose except to keep Huawei's flagship apace with the latest mud slung at the wall of smartphone feature bloat from other OEMs. This is the kind of shit festival we get when one fish in the school turns a dumb direction and none of the other fish are intelligent enough to look first before following along and the trouble is that after each subsequent stupid turn, no one has bothered to stop and ask, "Should we omit some of these previous dumb ideas or just include them as cruft that drives up production costs as we add the next dumb idea onto the top of the steaming pile we've amassed over the last decade?"drew805 - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
A lot of your stated flaws are typical of current flagships. The non-standard SD card format is disappointing, but no worse than the complete absence of expandable storage on the Pixel and iPhone. Removable batteries are sadly dead, there hasn't been on even a midrange or high phone since 2016. Increasing screen size I agree with, but the trend is for larger phones and eliminating compact sizes as well. The cameras Huawei used to good effect with the P20 Pro and likely will enhance in the Mate 20 line. Even with generally worse software post picture processing, the P20 Pro had the best telephoto and low light images, hardly a marketing only implementation.imaheadcase - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
I never understood the whole "no expandable storage" thing. Do people not just transfer files with the million file managers out there to a home computer? I use my andriod phone and when i connect to home wifi, it literally transfers all items i want from a folder to home computers.I mean from his example the pixel 3 has 64gigs of ram min...that is insane amount even for a smartphone. I take pics and videos for my job and even on my older nexus 6p don't have a issue with space.
PeachNCream - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
I don't generally leave my laptop powered up and it doesn't have enough storage to handle the ~220GB of data on my phone's SD card. I suppose I could leave my external backup HDD plugged into it all of the time, but the PC isn't something I use often these days since my phone does everything I need a computer for these days. It's a lot easier, to migrate to a new phone as well if you can just pull out the SD card and stick it into a new handset and the other thing is that if the phone abruptly fails or is damaged unexpectedly, information stored in internal storage is lost forever.goatfajitas - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
None of those are "flaws" they just aren't what you particularly want. Other people want them, and most flagships have them whether you like them or not. Especially the screen. This phone is the same size as the Pixel 2XL, 3XL, Galaxy S9+, iPhone 7 and 8 plus,Xs max, LG V40. It's actually a really good size for usability thus why it sells so well across platforms. Expandable memory is fading as the need for it fades and removable batteries just weren't selling with most users replacing the whole phone every 1-2 years headphone jacks will be 100% gone in a few years as well. . You can either live in the past or buy a new phone because there arent any that fit your list.Peskarik - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
No, other people are conditioned to want them or forced to want them. Just like they are forced to want absence of 3.5 audio.goatfajitas - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Not really. Just because you want it doesnt mean others do. I can honestly say I have used a headphone jack in my phone 1 time in the past 6-7 years... and that was just to test it. Like most people, when I use my phone for music its via bluetooth in my car or on my BT speakers. I do occasionally use a BT headset for music while working out or jogging. Some people (gasp) dont even listen to music on their smartphones at all. The jack isnt needed or wanted by most people. You seem to think sales drive features, but it's the other way. Features drive sales. If phones with jacks were selling so well, OEM's would still be making them.LiverpoolFC5903 - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
I like how you speak for everyone, when poll after poll have said users want and need the 3.5 mm jack. Multiple polls in multiple sites.ITS bs like this that gets my goat. You can use a goddamn bluetooth earpiece or whatever on a phone with a 3.5 mm if you want. Why piss on other people's parade by propagating fallacies like this.
Make no mistake, a LOT of people want the jack. Most mid-upper mid range phones will continue to keep the jack. Despite how much you want the jack to die, it wont.
markiz - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
Those polls are flawed, because only nerds like us fill them out.imaheadcase - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
People might laugh, but its true "users" that are upset are polls prob from tech sites. Let alone the fact that most people prob just picked up the article of someone ranting it was gone and took it for fact. I don't know many people IRL that use headphone jack really.Hell, even the pay as you go phones are getting rid of them.
goatfajitas - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
To be clear , I do not "want the jack to die". I am just stating it's dying whether you like it or not. Polls on tech websites mean zero because the vast majority of people don't visit tech websites. I get why some people want it, my only point is this... You need to get with your workarounds because it will be extinct soon whether you like it or not.PeachNCream - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
"You can either live in the past or buy a new phone because there arent any that fit your list."That statement is a fairly accurate summary of the state of the phone industry. Rephrasing it like this, "We'll tell you what feature you want and not give you any alternatives so Stockholm the trash we foist on you." It is at the heart of my dislike of the current state of consumer electronics.
hammer256 - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Well, no one is forcing you to like it. The question is, what would you do about it?PeachNCream - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
There aren't many realistic options. The Goat above's "shut up and color" option is the most viable. Short of becoming a non-participant in modern society, that's pretty much the course we all get to take. I'm not at the point of jumping off-grid. I want the Internet for cat videos and Candy Crush. That want will probably continue to win over my disdain for the tech industry.Quantumz0d - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
Say thanks to the Apple's marketing team, they achieved the perfect brain washing like the goat above. "1-2 years headphone jacks will be dead and live in past" just like expandable storage. Lol. I think goat should read what I post now - using an SGS the first Galaxy S - running custom kernel + ROM has Voodoo audio mod which unleashes rhr performance of the DAC to Audiophile grade with my Hybrid driver in ears and that phone has an SD Slot using 200GB card, Can even use 512. And has a perfect removable battery which stays standby and works for 15 days straight only for Audio at 1400+kbps tracks. No Wireless trash can provide that. But who cares right ?We all are convenient with planned obsolescence called li ion tech powered junk with mediocre audio and will settle for this Samsung/iPhone clone because it has X cameras with which I can use Instagram and Snapchat to peaks.
The market value and the tremendous success of Apple is ruling the world. All other companies just follow them coz of shareholders pressure. A.k.a capitalism beast. People are really stupid and already incapable of thinking out of box. Add the super AI assistants so that they cannot for themselves. Yay we are now at $2Tn.
Apple destroyed everything from BGA hardware to proprietary protocols from repairs to services (SaaS as well) which fuels the whole ecosystem draconian empire that they constructed. And the empire is spreading without opposition but there will be one day when it a collapses...
Strunf - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
It's not just the smartphones, obsolescence is part of today's society, everything is made just so you change of device every x years and there's very little you can do about it. I used my previous HTC for 5-6 years and didn't manage to keep it any longueur just cause the "idiots" that partitioned the storage space didn't thought 4-5 years down the road 8GB of system storage would be short, in the end I still had plenty of space left on the "users" partition...Also why is it so complicated to set a limit to how much your phone charges? if we could set it to 80% a battery would have a life cycle 10x longuer.
goatfajitas - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
I dont disagree with you but it is what it is. It happened with qwerty keyboards, small screen phones too. If models that still had qwerty were selling more OEM's would have stayed with it. If models with small screens were selling more OEM's would have stayed with it. The same will happen to jacks. As it is now the only really major high selling devices that have it are Samsung and they have already said they will drop it in 2019 or was it 2020? either way get your workarounds ready.amosbatto - Wednesday, November 7, 2018 - link
Speak for yourself. I just went phone shopping and decided that all the new phones on the market are garbage. I ended up buying a used LG V20 on ebay, because it is the last phone manufactured that meets my criteria:1. Removable battery,
2. 3.5mm audio jack,
3. MicroSD card,
4. Designed to survive drops and no glass back,
5. Decent camera,
6. Supports LineageOS
Most Just because phone manufacturers decided to make phones without these features doesn't mean that consumers are demanding phones without these features. Most people don't think about how easy it will be to replace the battery when they buy a phone, but if you explained that they will be forced to throw away their phones when the battery fails, most will want a removable battery. Tech review sites like Anandtech compound the problem by not explaining to consumers why a sealed battery will limit the lifespan of a phone.
darkich - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
You clearly have no freaking idea what you're talking about.It's simply idiotic to complain about having many cameras.
The 20 pro has a super wide angle AND 5x optical zoom capabilities because of its 3 cameras
It is fantastic bonus which, in combination with the superior processing hardware, allows for an actual serious photography.
And the upcoming DxOmark score will illustrate that.
Unlike the popular tech sites, they don't do just point and shoot casual scenes and selfies.
markiz - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
I don't know, most reviews have said P20 Pro had the best camera, so they must have SOME clue about this stuff?Peskarik - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
So, in the most expensive and most advanced phone they do not include 3.5 jack and do some kind of nano-sim-crap. Idiotic thinking.Quantumz0d - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Add the stupid notch fad as well. And the ugly iOS clone UI, look at the battery bar literal ripoff iPhone. People and press are like the best design and say Google to copy them. And btw it;s not Nano SIM, it's a proprietary SD card which is next level of BS, more ecosystem lockdown..Both are ugly. ugh. It's a shame that how Google has stooped down to these Chinese clones and the whole industry.
Nex S looks really stunning than all these stupid clones it even has a Hi-FI AKM DAC chipset, unfortunately that device OS is also iOS flavor as like some Chinese obsession with Apple.
Lord of the Bored - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
I like how the notch is ALMOST as wide as the phone, so there's just a tiny hint of display framing it.imaheadcase - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
You really have no idea the customer base of the average smart phone user. lol%99.9 of people give zero shits about the audio or the headphone jack. As for the battery bar? Are you for real? Apple didn't design that, its part of the standard put forth since flip phones.
THe notch isn't even a concern, ask anyone who complained about the Pixel 3 XL notch, then ask them after using it for a bit and its not even a thing to notice.
imaheadcase - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
To prove my point about the audio, look at audio for PC how it went "downhill" for the better. It used to be everyone for good audio would just get PCI sound cards, now everyone is content with onboard audio on motherboards. Now you don't even notice a difference.PeachNCream - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
The only thing that proves is that motherboard integrated audio solutions are competitive with a 15 year old Soundblaster Live.s.yu - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
Nothing unexpected, Huawei's bash of the XS seems like yet another marketing stunt.alin - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
So glad i bought a Mate 10 Pro a few months back. Best phone on the market right now. Buy it while there's still in stock. Same hardware as the P20, better looking and much cheaper. Win! Mate 20 got ridiculous with that display size and price. Does it have a curved display? This ugly trend needs to go more than the notch. Yack!Koenig168 - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
A proprietary nanoSD instead of microSD support? I'll stick to Samsung.More info on photo and video quality in the review would have been useful.
mazz7 - Tuesday, October 16, 2018 - link
6 Gb RAM? bad move from Huawei, it need 8 if you wanna go full attack samsung device, all is good except lack of RAM :)SydneyBlue120d - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
Can You confirm if L5 Galileo signal is supported ? Thanks a lot.jjj - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
Instead of making just one phone, they make 3 and they ruin every single one of them.Proprietary SD is as nasty as not having a slot.
Make 1 good phone instead of 3 almosts, you greedy ...
abufrejoval - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
Without unlocking/root/custom ROM, it’s a no-go: A vendor locking you out of your most personal computer without consent or the ability to change your mind any day belongs behind bars. If you sprefer an iPrison, that’s fine with me.And I have several Androids which I use regularly. Consistency between the interfaces is a serious benefit and I wish even Google would stop mucking around: My first action on any new Android is still making sure the back button goes back where it belongs (on the right). I use LineageOS and Magisk on all because any perfect custom skin is incompatible with the rest of the crowd. Yes, some of them look quite beautiful and other features might even make me more productive, but cohesion is more important to me and I want the choice on a device own not rent or loan.
The last subscription phone I bought was for a land line in ’85: Wasn’t legal to install your own at that time in Germany. Paid many times it’s real value and learned my lesson. I keep my phones until they break, which typically my kids manage to do for me after I hand them down in the pristine condition I leave them, thanks to screen protectors and silicon cases. Never look at any part of the phone except the screen, so I couldn’t care less about the color or the material, but I love the ability to swap the battery and extend a good phone’s life. Still think the Galaxy Note 3 with its all plastic body is one of the best phones I own (no, didn’t give that one away, even if my main daily driver is a OnePlus 5) and it has a 128GB SD card, too.
With 128GB of on-board storage at reasonable prices, I can live without an SD card, but only if the USB-C connector supports bandwidth at the speed of the built-in storage, rather than just USB2: I don’t operate PCs without regular backup.
And I want USB-c docking including wired Ethernet and lag-free desktop mode so I can leave the laptop at home sometimes. That Kirin 980 should beat the crap out of the Apollo Lake Atom I am writing this on, so let’s use that very personal computer to its full potential… and as an RDP client if I need more.
I just hope they’ll do a HiKey980 board very soon, because I *do* want to check out this NPU for embedded inference: At least those come rooted by default!
ChipRebel - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
Pretty awesome phone, a shame we have to tear it apart to have look inside. As soon as we get our hands on ....Fuego10710 - Wednesday, October 17, 2018 - link
The mate 10 has a 4000mah battery. Same as the mate 20. Please change your comment, its inaccurate.davidk350 - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
Huawei is pleased with what the company has done with the rear of the device for feel. The main color choices for the Mate 20 and Mate 20 Pro use a glass ridged rear surface, with micro bumps as an oleophobic coating.lilmoe - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
This is the most compelling non-Samsung smartphone since the good days of HTC. Not bad at all.MarHPan - Thursday, October 18, 2018 - link
Phone with induction hob? how cool is that!MarHPan - Friday, October 19, 2018 - link
oh and I do remember people laughing from the first Nokia N-Gage ;-)MarHPan - Friday, October 19, 2018 - link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N-Gage_(device) that onezoxo - Friday, October 19, 2018 - link
oh god, I so passionately hate curved screen edges...pjcamp - Friday, October 19, 2018 - link
I swear to god, every vendor seems intent on finding a way to make their phone undesirable. This one would be ideal EXCEPT for using proprietary memory expansion instead of standard SD. NM memory is going nowhere because Huawei has patents on it. No other vendor will pay for the licensing. And due to the small market size, it will inevitably be considerably more expensive than SD.F that noise.
sowjanaya863 - Saturday, October 20, 2018 - link
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Cheat in benchmark again? Using DSLR to catch photos? Crazy Commie phone.South_DL - Tuesday, October 23, 2018 - link
This thing is a plagiarism of both Samsung and Apple products, it is not enough for the communist at Beijing to mock the free world rules and laws by selling copies of one decent company's product, instead, they go wild and violate two companies designs patents at once, will this situation last forever?