Why do companies insist on using 72% NTSC instead of 99% sRGB. Isn’t NTSC an outdated TV color gamut and is irrelevant in modern context? What’s the old joke again.... NTSC = Not The Same Color?
NTSC as a broadcast standard is retired(and the infamous hue fluctuations were exclusively in over-the-air broadcast on 60s hardware. Wired environments and more advanced electronics both did away with those issues).
The NTSC color gamut, by contrast, is still relevant today, in part because it one of the broadest gamuts that has ever seen any sort of widespread adoption(and in part because the long life of analog color TV means it became heavily entrenched in the video production world).
If you only quote sRGB gamut coverage, it just means your display can't do better than the bare minimum, because your display sucks. And many companies can't even get THAT.
And, ultimately, if a manufacturer quotes the NTSC gamut coverage, they have made a conscious choice to print the number that makes them look worse, and I respect that.
People don't use ChromeOS for color accurate work. ChromeOS, just like Android, lacks any meaningful color system management, so why invest in a wide color display.
Pretty underwhelming... You can get a laptop with better specs for the base price... not only that the keyboard + pen add 50% to the price! I've been looking for a writing tablet for a reasonable price (as that's pretty much my only use case). It seems a 2018 apple ipad is the best option at half the price of the pixel slate but I really don't want to deal with iOS or (God forbid!) ever have to install that malware app itunes to my main machine again
If you don't use iTunes how can you get a ripped movie onto your iPad? Please tell me there is another way as iTunes is possible the sh*ttest software ever. Why I have to go through 20 steps to do what takes 3 steps for my Android tablet, I don't know.
I'm still trucking along with a Nexus 7, heh... For movies on planes and browsing on the couch (plus some photo browsing on vacation) it's more than enough... The N7 kinda ruined the value proposition for Android tablets for a while.
I guess Asus has some appealing models, none with pen or decent keyboards... I really liked the Nexus 9 form factor, the buggy state and slightly hiked up price at launch really held back what could've been a big hit for them, I bought one for my mother later on and it still works great.
There's no way I'm paying $500+ for a tablet with a mobile OS tho, might as well get a Surface Go or indeed a laptop.
I guess Google just isn't interested in any kind of mass-market adoption of this thing. They just keep putting out really expensive hardware running an OS that makes a lot more sense on a much cheaper device. The Pixelbook was a weird product, but even it was more reasonably priced than this thing.
The storage in particular is absurd. 32GB is basically useless for anything other than document storage. You have to step up to the $1000 model before you get anything even close to useful. They could have at least put an SD card slot on there, or a second USB C port for a small USB storage device.
Usually when I see a product that's not for me, I can at least understand who the target audience is, but I'm really struggling here. Rich old people who can't keep Windows running virus-free, and don't like Apple?
Most phones have a lot more storage on the SD card to cope with photos and video. I have almost filled the 160GB on my phone and suspect that I am far from alone.
This isn't a phone. Even if it was, 32GB is the bottom spec for any decent phone now. I wouldn't buy one with less than 128GB unless it had removable storage.
The Slate is pitched as a hybrid tablet/laptop. Even my awful Chuwi laptop that cost less than $300 has 64GB. My four year old iPad Air 2 has 64GB. The Surface Go has 64GB and is cheaper than this.
As for the cloud, try streaming a movie over most hotel Wifi. The cloud is only a good storage solution if you only go places that have fast internet.
I think the Pixel line other than the phones (which really should still be called Nexus) is pretty much a plaything for the designers and developers. Nothing but an expensive toy.
Meh, I don't see the value in any high priced ($500+) tablet/convertible with a mobile OS anyway, specially with Surface Go now in the picture... I'd rather have the x86 functionality if I'm paying that much.
I mean I get that having one/not having one fundamentally changes the way you can use the product, but holy crap, that markup is insane. It must cost $6 to manufacture that thing.
This article states the Pixel Slate comes with only one USB-C port, but I think that's incorrect. The tablet's Google Store page (and other press coverage) state that it comes with two.
Wish it was cheaper but this is honestly the best computer for someone older or a casual user. I don't think Win10 or even anything Apple works that well for what the average casual user does. Everything in the OS is clearly laid out and simple to use with a nice form factor.
The entry model makes no sense to me. I can get a $550 surface go with a pentium processor with HT, twice the memory, four times the storage and a built-in kickstand.
Pixel has a larger display with a higher resolution but I'm not willing to sacrifice memory and storage just for those. Also, IINM, surface go's display has a wider color gamut.
I'm a big Android fanboy, but I agree, and it's not even about the specs for me... None of the mobile OS have made a convincing argument to me why I should use them on a device over one with x86 compatibility at a similar price point. I give up a lot of functionality for what, a smaller OS install and a few tablet optimized apps?
I just bought a pixelbook and tbh this makes it seem like an amazing deal. It is basically the "mid range" tablet + the keyboard for $750, only the keyboard is non detachable and the whole thing is a bit more solid. Because the keyboard is completely reversible you can still use the pixelbook as a tablet exactly like this, and for it's main tablet use (watching stuff) it's even better as you can fold it over to make it stand up at any angle you like.
The battery in my Pixel C keyboard case fails to hold any charge at all after just a few years, despite the $150 price tag. No way am I trusting another Google keyboard attachment.
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zepi - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
72% NTSC probably means roughly sRGB gamut.Sam-i-am123 - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
Why do companies insist on using 72% NTSC instead of 99% sRGB. Isn’t NTSC an outdated TV color gamut and is irrelevant in modern context? What’s the old joke again.... NTSC = Not The Same Color?baka_toroi - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
I think it's "Never The Same Color."Lord of the Bored - Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - link
NTSC as a broadcast standard is retired(and the infamous hue fluctuations were exclusively in over-the-air broadcast on 60s hardware. Wired environments and more advanced electronics both did away with those issues).The NTSC color gamut, by contrast, is still relevant today, in part because it one of the broadest gamuts that has ever seen any sort of widespread adoption(and in part because the long life of analog color TV means it became heavily entrenched in the video production world).
If you only quote sRGB gamut coverage, it just means your display can't do better than the bare minimum, because your display sucks. And many companies can't even get THAT.
And, ultimately, if a manufacturer quotes the NTSC gamut coverage, they have made a conscious choice to print the number that makes them look worse, and I respect that.
casperes1996 - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
"The LCD has a 3000x2000 resolution, a maximum brightness of 400 nits, and covers up to 72% of the NTSC color space"Nice resolution, descent enough brightness.... Wait, wait... What? 72% NTSC? Is this a joke?
id4andrei - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
People don't use ChromeOS for color accurate work. ChromeOS, just like Android, lacks any meaningful color system management, so why invest in a wide color display.ianmills - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
Pretty underwhelming... You can get a laptop with better specs for the base price... not only that the keyboard + pen add 50% to the price! I've been looking for a writing tablet for a reasonable price (as that's pretty much my only use case). It seems a 2018 apple ipad is the best option at half the price of the pixel slate but I really don't want to deal with iOS or (God forbid!) ever have to install that malware app itunes to my main machine againosxandwindows - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
I haven’t had to use iTunes for any of my devices for yearsSpeedfriend - Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - link
If you don't use iTunes how can you get a ripped movie onto your iPad? Please tell me there is another way as iTunes is possible the sh*ttest software ever. Why I have to go through 20 steps to do what takes 3 steps for my Android tablet, I don't know.Impulses - Friday, October 12, 2018 - link
I'm still trucking along with a Nexus 7, heh... For movies on planes and browsing on the couch (plus some photo browsing on vacation) it's more than enough... The N7 kinda ruined the value proposition for Android tablets for a while.I guess Asus has some appealing models, none with pen or decent keyboards... I really liked the Nexus 9 form factor, the buggy state and slightly hiked up price at launch really held back what could've been a big hit for them, I bought one for my mother later on and it still works great.
There's no way I'm paying $500+ for a tablet with a mobile OS tho, might as well get a Surface Go or indeed a laptop.
lilmoe - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
😂😂😂cfenton - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
I guess Google just isn't interested in any kind of mass-market adoption of this thing. They just keep putting out really expensive hardware running an OS that makes a lot more sense on a much cheaper device. The Pixelbook was a weird product, but even it was more reasonably priced than this thing.The storage in particular is absurd. 32GB is basically useless for anything other than document storage. You have to step up to the $1000 model before you get anything even close to useful. They could have at least put an SD card slot on there, or a second USB C port for a small USB storage device.
Usually when I see a product that's not for me, I can at least understand who the target audience is, but I'm really struggling here. Rich old people who can't keep Windows running virus-free, and don't like Apple?
imaheadcase - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
32 gigs is plenty of space, that literally is around what most phones have. Besides, its what google cloud is made for.BedfordTim - Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - link
Most phones have a lot more storage on the SD card to cope with photos and video. I have almost filled the 160GB on my phone and suspect that I am far from alone.cfenton - Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - link
This isn't a phone. Even if it was, 32GB is the bottom spec for any decent phone now. I wouldn't buy one with less than 128GB unless it had removable storage.The Slate is pitched as a hybrid tablet/laptop. Even my awful Chuwi laptop that cost less than $300 has 64GB. My four year old iPad Air 2 has 64GB. The Surface Go has 64GB and is cheaper than this.
As for the cloud, try streaming a movie over most hotel Wifi. The cloud is only a good storage solution if you only go places that have fast internet.
Tams80 - Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - link
I think the Pixel line other than the phones (which really should still be called Nexus) is pretty much a plaything for the designers and developers. Nothing but an expensive toy.Impulses - Friday, October 12, 2018 - link
Meh, I don't see the value in any high priced ($500+) tablet/convertible with a mobile OS anyway, specially with Surface Go now in the picture... I'd rather have the x86 functionality if I'm paying that much.lazarpandar - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
I'll never understand the prices for these keyboards.....Two hundred dollars???
lazarpandar - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
I mean I get that having one/not having one fundamentally changes the way you can use the product, but holy crap, that markup is insane. It must cost $6 to manufacture that thing.WorldWithoutMadness - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
They encourage you to buy 60% mech keyboard which also serves as weapon rather than that weak keyboard.imaheadcase - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
Custom anything always cost more. How is that hard to understand?BedfordTim - Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - link
I suspect you are right and they only anticipate sales of a few hundred.brakdoo - Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - link
Surface prices...StevenD - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
And the IPad's grip on the tablet space remains as strong as ever.Disappointing showing from a company that lacks a clear purpose for their tablets.
martey - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
This article states the Pixel Slate comes with only one USB-C port, but I think that's incorrect. The tablet's Google Store page (and other press coverage) state that it comes with two.sorten - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
$1800 for a tablet, keyboard and ChromeOS? Is that a joke?tuxRoller - Saturday, October 13, 2018 - link
plus linux devel environment, android, and windows support is on the way (altOS).CheapSushi - Tuesday, October 9, 2018 - link
Wish it was cheaper but this is honestly the best computer for someone older or a casual user. I don't think Win10 or even anything Apple works that well for what the average casual user does. Everything in the OS is clearly laid out and simple to use with a nice form factor.Tams80 - Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - link
You're kidding right? An OS that still relies heavily on it's browser and is still a mess of native and Android apps.tuxRoller - Saturday, October 13, 2018 - link
Define the software used and expectations of a casual user.duploxxx - Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - link
put a pixel tag on it and try to sell it for WAY WAY to much.... Intel x86 cpu in these tablets. Go back to the real roots Googleeddman - Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - link
The entry model makes no sense to me. I can get a $550 surface go with a pentium processor with HT, twice the memory, four times the storage and a built-in kickstand.Pixel has a larger display with a higher resolution but I'm not willing to sacrifice memory and storage just for those. Also, IINM, surface go's display has a wider color gamut.
Impulses - Friday, October 12, 2018 - link
I'm a big Android fanboy, but I agree, and it's not even about the specs for me... None of the mobile OS have made a convincing argument to me why I should use them on a device over one with x86 compatibility at a similar price point. I give up a lot of functionality for what, a smaller OS install and a few tablet optimized apps?iTon - Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - link
Why google not making gaming console based on android ?Dribble - Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - link
I just bought a pixelbook and tbh this makes it seem like an amazing deal. It is basically the "mid range" tablet + the keyboard for $750, only the keyboard is non detachable and the whole thing is a bit more solid.Because the keyboard is completely reversible you can still use the pixelbook as a tablet exactly like this, and for it's main tablet use (watching stuff) it's even better as you can fold it over to make it stand up at any angle you like.
jwcalla - Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - link
You'll need a Core i7 just to emulate those ARM apps for Android.petteyg359 - Wednesday, October 10, 2018 - link
The battery in my Pixel C keyboard case fails to hold any charge at all after just a few years, despite the $150 price tag. No way am I trusting another Google keyboard attachment.MamiyaOtaru - Saturday, October 13, 2018 - link
to be cancelled when it's discovered to be leaking a ton of personal infoSamus - Sunday, October 14, 2018 - link
If it wasn’t obvious Google was ripping off Microsoft and Apple up until this point, it should be now.They literally copied every parameter of every component from the Surface Pro.
Samus - Sunday, October 14, 2018 - link
No LTE on a $600-$1600 tablet that runs an OS fundamentally dependent on an internet connection?