When o when are we going to start seeing competition at the 19" 32bit 1280x1024 16ms $550 (£300) level?
When I bought this 17" Iiyama e431s i thought it was only going to be a season or 2 and ill be able to upgrade to something bigger, faster, stronger but now whats all this 6 bit retrograde stuff? Man they are dragging their heels here.
as soon as they make an lcd with true 32bit coloring(and not that dithering crap) with 16ms times or lower, i'll get one. i dont like the fact that they have to sacrifice color reproduction for low response time. grrr
11, I wouldnt call the move to LCDs a 'fad'. Its the sound of inevitability. :) CRT's are dead. It pains me to say it since LCDs dont best meet my needs but CRT manufacturers are drastically cutting their lines back or dropping them all together and refocusing on lcd monitors.
I own one of this baby since 3 weeks, i'm very pleased with it. Display is very reactive (I play RTCW) and the only negative point I see is some dither in black colors, especially in video or DVD viewing. If you buy this screen, you should be aware of dead pixels (i had to test 5 different screens to get a clean one (a lot of them where red lit)
Otherwhise, I know it's not relevant but i just want to see the result, is it possible to get the Color profile you created for this article?
PS : Can we get too the date of manufacturing and the origin of the screen? Thanks
This (and I really hate to have to use this term) corporate-hyped fixation on LCD and plasma displays is what turned me off of Tom's initially. I realize the site is all about chronicling the 'latest' technology, but Anandtech has always strived more to achieve end-user quality over faddish toys like these things. Unless you literally have money to burn or can't afford a decent desk or pay four bucks extra on your power bill, there is ablsolutely no advantage to using either an LCD or plasma display in favour of good 'ol perfected-technology CRTs. Sure, you can get a plasma to look decent at 1024x768 at forty diagonal inches, but unless you have a forty-inch-diameter head, it's useless. You can get the absolute best commercially-available 21-inch CRTs for easily half the price of a 22" LCD with decent tech in it. But althogh you can carry your new LCD in one hand, your colours suck, ghosting is inevitable, contrast levels fluctuate from bad to worse, AND YOU'RE SPENDING MANY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS for something that merely looks cool. I know that the top CRTs out there have been done to death review-wise by innumerable other sites, but it would be great to see Anandtech buck the trend and show you spec-for-spec how 'good' these new LCDs are compared to CRTs that do everything so well they don't really have any room for improvement (the infamous Sony quip), and bottom-line the price.
yet another low resolution desktop LCD. I seriously do not understand why laptop LCDs have significantly higher DPI. mine runs at 142 DPI. in contrast a 17" 1280x1024 resolution monitor such as this runs at about 97 DPI. a 17" version of a typical notebook screen would run something about 1900 pixels across the screen, so obviously manufacturers don't have a problem with the DPI of making a 1600x1200 17" LCD, and yet they don't. i guess i just don't get it. why wouldn't people want 50% more desktop area?
1. Rashly or wastefully extravagant: prodigal expenditures on unneeded weaponry; a prodigal life. 2. Giving or given in abundance; lavish or profuse: prodigal praise. See Synonyms at profuse.
Obviously it doesn't mean what you think it does, given the context you use it in.
I had one of these for a week and I found it to be a fairly good monitor, though there was a tad bit of ghosting in games like UT2004, however it was extremly playable.
The main problem I had with this monitor is that I had to order 3 of them before I got one that didn't have a burnt or stuck pixel.
No, you can stop waiting. I've got a 19" LG.Philips S-IPS panel and I notice absolutely NO streaking and ghosting in anything, even though official response time is 25 ms. I paid a hair under $600 for the 19" LG 1910S. Its Analog only. And the text isn't too sharp. I don't like that. Still, it cost less than the Samsung monitors.
The NEC 1996NXi (the numbers may be off) is also a S-IPS panel. But it costs more and is harder to find than the LG.
I dunno, sounds pretty good to me. If it was $300 I'd try to buy it. Currently $540, I'm going to bookmark this on their realtime price thing and check it every week for awhile.
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Crosster - Monday, June 21, 2004 - link
Just another test :http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/sam...
Crosster - Monday, June 21, 2004 - link
nourdmrolNMT1 - Sunday, June 13, 2004 - link
question: what is the difference in this LCD screen, and the MUCH cheaper 12ms response 710N or 710T (t just has the DVI input)?MIKE
MadAd - Saturday, June 12, 2004 - link
Ho well, just another 6 bit panel, big whoop.When o when are we going to start seeing competition at the 19" 32bit 1280x1024 16ms $550 (£300) level?
When I bought this 17" Iiyama e431s i thought it was only going to be a season or 2 and ill be able to upgrade to something bigger, faster, stronger but now whats all this 6 bit retrograde stuff? Man they are dragging their heels here.
skunkbuster - Wednesday, June 9, 2004 - link
as soon as they make an lcd with true 32bit coloring(and not that dithering crap) with 16ms times or lower, i'll get one.i dont like the fact that they have to sacrifice color reproduction for low response time. grrr
TheAudit - Wednesday, June 9, 2004 - link
#11 – What about if you are space constrained and don’t want a 50 lb behemoth with a two foot long neck on your desk?#13 – You are correct. CRT technology hasn’t moved in years.
JGF - Wednesday, June 9, 2004 - link
11, I wouldnt call the move to LCDs a 'fad'. Its the sound of inevitability. :) CRT's are dead. It pains me to say it since LCDs dont best meet my needs but CRT manufacturers are drastically cutting their lines back or dropping them all together and refocusing on lcd monitors.Crosster - Wednesday, June 9, 2004 - link
I own one of this baby since 3 weeks, i'm very pleased with it. Display is very reactive (I play RTCW) and the only negative point I see is some dither in black colors, especially in video or DVD viewing.If you buy this screen, you should be aware of dead pixels (i had to test 5 different screens to get a clean one (a lot of them where red lit)
Otherwhise, I know it's not relevant but i just want to see the result, is it possible to get the Color profile you created for this article?
PS : Can we get too the date of manufacturing and the origin of the screen? Thanks
IkeEisenhower - Wednesday, June 9, 2004 - link
This (and I really hate to have to use this term) corporate-hyped fixation on LCD and plasma displays is what turned me off of Tom's initially. I realize the site is all about chronicling the 'latest' technology, but Anandtech has always strived more to achieve end-user quality over faddish toys like these things. Unless you literally have money to burn or can't afford a decent desk or pay four bucks extra on your power bill, there is ablsolutely no advantage to using either an LCD or plasma display in favour of good 'ol perfected-technology CRTs. Sure, you can get a plasma to look decent at 1024x768 at forty diagonal inches, but unless you have a forty-inch-diameter head, it's useless. You can get the absolute best commercially-available 21-inch CRTs for easily half the price of a 22" LCD with decent tech in it. But althogh you can carry your new LCD in one hand, your colours suck, ghosting is inevitable, contrast levels fluctuate from bad to worse, AND YOU'RE SPENDING MANY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS for something that merely looks cool. I know that the top CRTs out there have been done to death review-wise by innumerable other sites, but it would be great to see Anandtech buck the trend and show you spec-for-spec how 'good' these new LCDs are compared to CRTs that do everything so well they don't really have any room for improvement (the infamous Sony quip), and bottom-line the price.My two cents, for what it's worth.
ElFenix - Wednesday, June 9, 2004 - link
yet another low resolution desktop LCD. I seriously do not understand why laptop LCDs have significantly higher DPI. mine runs at 142 DPI. in contrast a 17" 1280x1024 resolution monitor such as this runs at about 97 DPI. a 17" version of a typical notebook screen would run something about 1900 pixels across the screen, so obviously manufacturers don't have a problem with the DPI of making a 1600x1200 17" LCD, and yet they don't. i guess i just don't get it. why wouldn't people want 50% more desktop area?operator - Tuesday, June 8, 2004 - link
#7That's myth. There's a lot of articles debunking said fact.
synic - Tuesday, June 8, 2004 - link
prod·i·gal ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prd-gl)adj.
1. Rashly or wastefully extravagant: prodigal expenditures on unneeded weaponry; a prodigal life.
2. Giving or given in abundance; lavish or profuse: prodigal praise. See Synonyms at profuse.
Obviously it doesn't mean what you think it does, given the context you use it in.
jdreyer - Tuesday, June 8, 2004 - link
If the human eye is only capable of detecting 60 frames per second (one frame every 16 ms), why do we need response times any faster than that?Mithan - Tuesday, June 8, 2004 - link
I had one of these for a week and I found it to be a fairly good monitor, though there was a tad bit of ghosting in games like UT2004, however it was extremly playable.The main problem I had with this monitor is that I had to order 3 of them before I got one that didn't have a burnt or stuck pixel.
JGF - Tuesday, June 8, 2004 - link
I've decided that LCD's still arent for me yet and purchased a Mitsubishi 19' 930SB CRT. Gorgeous monitor.T8000 - Tuesday, June 8, 2004 - link
When you select the 16 bit color mode in Windows or in games, does that disable color shifting, because 16 bit is less then 3 x 6 bit?AlexWade - Tuesday, June 8, 2004 - link
No, you can stop waiting. I've got a 19" LG.Philips S-IPS panel and I notice absolutely NO streaking and ghosting in anything, even though official response time is 25 ms. I paid a hair under $600 for the 19" LG 1910S. Its Analog only. And the text isn't too sharp. I don't like that. Still, it cost less than the Samsung monitors.The NEC 1996NXi (the numbers may be off) is also a S-IPS panel. But it costs more and is harder to find than the LG.
Phiro - Tuesday, June 8, 2004 - link
I dunno, sounds pretty good to me. If it was $300 I'd try to buy it. Currently $540, I'm going to bookmark this on their realtime price thing and check it every week for awhile.araczynski - Tuesday, June 8, 2004 - link
so...just keep waiting as usual...