I'd love it if this monitor had a touch interface as well. Seriously. Although I primarily use a keyboard and mouse, touch would be great for development work and testing of the HMI/SCADA development work that I do. My eyes are no longer appreciating my dual 24" monitors.... I need to go up to dual 32".
Ones at the level of high end consumer displays are either rare to non-existent. Not an exhaustive search, but other than a 55" 4k model and a $833 27" 1440p display Newegg doesn't have anything higher than 1080p. The 1440p one has a stand that will let it lay almost flat to use it as a drawing surface for art type functions.
Using a touchscreen at arms length is even more awkward than just above the keyboard like in a laptop; combined with the cost of making a large monitor touch capable being significantly more than a small laptop screen it's a mostly empty niche; instead what you mostly get are assorted cheap displays for making kiosks of various types.
Easel mode drawing displays are the one semi exception, but being marketed at artists they've got somewhat different priorities than gaming displays. The biggest one is that color accuracy trumps everything else. OTOH as long as it can be done without impeding that low latency and faster refresh rates are beneficial as well; so the former isn't generally decent and the latter will probably trickle in over time. (At least to the 120/144hz level; the only gaming displays at 240 are TN, which is a general no go for anything where color matters and pushing the refresh rate that high has reportedly resulted in colors that are awful even for TN.) Variable sync doesn't really do anything needed though (drawing shouldn't be GPU limited); so unless it comes along for free as an eventual standard feature for the controller chip probably not.
Unfortunately for HardwareDufus; that means that if he needs a touch based test screen for work it's probably going to have to be seperate from his big high end displays. I do my dev work on a laptop and just use its screen for local touch testing; if that's not enough or he's using a desktop I'd recommend an inexpensive 1080p display just for touch UI testing.
I quite dislike touch on PC's, I'd rather not have it and not have to pay extra for a feature I didn't want while it would probably be detrimental to the display.
Is nvidia ever going to support VESA Adaptive Sync? This is getting ridiculous. Monitors are coming out left and right with freesync support. Meanwhile the gsync options are very limited, expensive (unless you opt for a poor quality TN panel) and full of panel QC issues.
Hey, what's up with that first image? The car's proportions seem rather cartoonish, and it's clearly too wide for the road it's on. Probably not the best choice for showcasing their monitor.
They do... on laptops. Outside of that? Nope. They're going to try to get people committed to GSync for as long as they can, because every GSync monitor out there is good for a few nVidia graphics card sales(as people upgrade their graphics cards more often than monitors)
Not to mention it's cash directly in Nvidia's pocket when they sell the monitor.
Also, although people buy graphics cards more often than monitors, the use of multiple graphics cards has plummeted in recent years, but more and more people are using 2/3 monitor setups (though if you're like me, each monitor has a different purpose - one of mine is for web work, so is calibrated for sRGB, while another does print, calibrated for Adobe RGB, etc. - I don't game enough to care about G/FreeSync, but if I did, I'd probably get one monitor with, and one for something else(,
believe it or not, monitor companies develop a number of panels in parallel. One having encountered some major problem that's severely delayed it from reaching production ready status, doesn't impact the progress of their other product teams.
HDR with 300nits brightness panel? isn't that kinda garbage?
still waiting for something in 23-24" class with 4K, 10 bit color, 400+ nits GB-R backlight (or proven wide gamut with wled), that isn't Dell UP2414Q because that shit has severe DisplayPort stability issues.
I've got the more expensive 27UK850 and HDR in these monitors is indeed garbage. I didn't buy it for that though so I was cool with it and knew before buying. In "HDR" mode the monitor just pretty much disables your control of backlight and pumps it up extremely high so that there is nothing that can be considered "black" anymore in the picture. I use it in a dark room so it's extra terrible for me.
I don't think any LCD without local dimming is going to be very good at HDR anyway. And local dimming has its own problems. I'd rather have a monitor that doesn't have as high max brightness, but has deeper blacks, and unfortunately the only option right now is very expensive OLED for TVs, and for monitors there aren't really any options.
HDR at 300 nits? I wouldn't say garbage. It can still be a very usable monitor. Just not for HDR. In a sane world it would be classified as false advertising. Even the DisplayHDR 400 certification (400 nits) is marketing BS. These HDR monitors won't necessarily provide better images than a good SDR monitor.
Of course, a DisplayHDR 400 monitor will almost always be better than the average bargain bin SDR monitor. I suspect that's how average Joe will eventually conclude HDR is better. Not because they are actually getting a decent HDR experience, but because DisplayHDR certification prevents usage of the most atrocious cost cutting measures.
It's only at DisplayHDR 1000 (and only with rare HDR content) where benefits become obvious.
Almost forget... just with a HDR badge, but without DisplayHDR certification (like this monitor), all bets are off. Such a monitor can, but doesn't have to be, bargain bin trash, because there is no technical standard that defines what a HDR monitor is or must do (hence the DisplayHDR standard).
Soon almost every FreeSync scaler for $2 will accept a HDR10 signal, so every new (non g-sync) monitor, no matter how terrible, could theoretically be called a HDR monitor.
They do monitors. The amount they have reviewed isn't very impressive and they don't seem to be reviewing them as often as TVs, but it's better than nothing.
I have their older, non-HDR, panel and for the $400ish I paid it is a phenomenal deal IMO. Works great for games and is large enough I don’t squint like I do at my 27”” 2k at normal scaling. If only my boss would sign off on one at work...
Thanks to TV tech evolution the times when monitor mafia charged $4000 for the monitor are gone and forgotten.
It is not for PC monitors you all have to look but for the best TVs connected to PC with the minimum input lag below 20ms, game mode and 4:4:4 color at highest possible refresh rate (60Hz minimum). And yes, the 50" is absolute minimum size below which everything is just a 100% garbage.
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HardwareDufus - Friday, September 28, 2018 - link
I'd love it if this monitor had a touch interface as well. Seriously. Although I primarily use a keyboard and mouse, touch would be great for development work and testing of the HMI/SCADA development work that I do. My eyes are no longer appreciating my dual 24" monitors.... I need to go up to dual 32".tokyojerry - Saturday, September 29, 2018 - link
Curiously, are there stand along monitors with touch interface?I just ordered this monitor (Amazon Japan)
DanNeely - Monday, October 1, 2018 - link
Ones at the level of high end consumer displays are either rare to non-existent. Not an exhaustive search, but other than a 55" 4k model and a $833 27" 1440p display Newegg doesn't have anything higher than 1080p. The 1440p one has a stand that will let it lay almost flat to use it as a drawing surface for art type functions.Using a touchscreen at arms length is even more awkward than just above the keyboard like in a laptop; combined with the cost of making a large monitor touch capable being significantly more than a small laptop screen it's a mostly empty niche; instead what you mostly get are assorted cheap displays for making kiosks of various types.
Easel mode drawing displays are the one semi exception, but being marketed at artists they've got somewhat different priorities than gaming displays. The biggest one is that color accuracy trumps everything else. OTOH as long as it can be done without impeding that low latency and faster refresh rates are beneficial as well; so the former isn't generally decent and the latter will probably trickle in over time. (At least to the 120/144hz level; the only gaming displays at 240 are TN, which is a general no go for anything where color matters and pushing the refresh rate that high has reportedly resulted in colors that are awful even for TN.) Variable sync doesn't really do anything needed though (drawing shouldn't be GPU limited); so unless it comes along for free as an eventual standard feature for the controller chip probably not.
Unfortunately for HardwareDufus; that means that if he needs a touch based test screen for work it's probably going to have to be seperate from his big high end displays. I do my dev work on a laptop and just use its screen for local touch testing; if that's not enough or he's using a desktop I'd recommend an inexpensive 1080p display just for touch UI testing.
RSAUser - Wednesday, October 3, 2018 - link
I quite dislike touch on PC's, I'd rather not have it and not have to pay extra for a feature I didn't want while it would probably be detrimental to the display.darkchazz - Friday, September 28, 2018 - link
Is nvidia ever going to support VESA Adaptive Sync?This is getting ridiculous. Monitors are coming out left and right with freesync support. Meanwhile the gsync options are very limited, expensive (unless you opt for a poor quality TN panel) and full of panel QC issues.
flashbacck - Friday, September 28, 2018 - link
There's not really any reason for them to.mode_13h - Friday, September 28, 2018 - link
Hey, what's up with that first image? The car's proportions seem rather cartoonish, and it's clearly too wide for the road it's on. Probably not the best choice for showcasing their monitor.mode_13h - Friday, September 28, 2018 - link
Sorry, that wasn't meant as a reply.Lord of the Bored - Saturday, September 29, 2018 - link
They do... on laptops.Outside of that? Nope. They're going to try to get people committed to GSync for as long as they can, because every GSync monitor out there is good for a few nVidia graphics card sales(as people upgrade their graphics cards more often than monitors)
sing_electric - Wednesday, October 3, 2018 - link
Not to mention it's cash directly in Nvidia's pocket when they sell the monitor.Also, although people buy graphics cards more often than monitors, the use of multiple graphics cards has plummeted in recent years, but more and more people are using 2/3 monitor setups (though if you're like me, each monitor has a different purpose - one of mine is for web work, so is calibrated for sRGB, while another does print, calibrated for Adobe RGB, etc. - I don't game enough to care about G/FreeSync, but if I did, I'd probably get one monitor with, and one for something else(,
Diji1 - Tuesday, October 2, 2018 - link
G-sync is limited to high quality panels, so yes, there's many other lower quality options withAdaptive Sync.
mode_13h - Friday, September 28, 2018 - link
For a HDR monitor, you'd really want FreeSync 2.https://www.anandtech.com/show/10967/amd-announces...
MartiCode - Friday, September 28, 2018 - link
Still waiting for the LG 34WK95U, announced in January, to ship. They should not announce what they can't apparently sell until a year later.DanNeely - Monday, October 1, 2018 - link
believe it or not, monitor companies develop a number of panels in parallel. One having encountered some major problem that's severely delayed it from reaching production ready status, doesn't impact the progress of their other product teams.timecop1818 - Saturday, September 29, 2018 - link
HDR with 300nits brightness panel? isn't that kinda garbage?still waiting for something in 23-24" class with 4K, 10 bit color, 400+ nits GB-R backlight (or proven wide gamut with wled), that isn't Dell UP2414Q because that shit has severe DisplayPort stability issues.
andy o - Saturday, September 29, 2018 - link
I've got the more expensive 27UK850 and HDR in these monitors is indeed garbage. I didn't buy it for that though so I was cool with it and knew before buying. In "HDR" mode the monitor just pretty much disables your control of backlight and pumps it up extremely high so that there is nothing that can be considered "black" anymore in the picture. I use it in a dark room so it's extra terrible for me.I don't think any LCD without local dimming is going to be very good at HDR anyway. And local dimming has its own problems. I'd rather have a monitor that doesn't have as high max brightness, but has deeper blacks, and unfortunately the only option right now is very expensive OLED for TVs, and for monitors there aren't really any options.
andy o - Saturday, September 29, 2018 - link
Basically, I don't see much of a difference betwen this "HDR" thing for new monitors and the old "dynamic contrast" numbers scam of yesteryear.a5cent - Saturday, September 29, 2018 - link
HDR at 300 nits? I wouldn't say garbage. It can still be a very usable monitor. Just not for HDR. In a sane world it would be classified as false advertising. Even the DisplayHDR 400 certification (400 nits) is marketing BS. These HDR monitors won't necessarily provide better images than a good SDR monitor.Of course, a DisplayHDR 400 monitor will almost always be better than the average bargain bin SDR monitor. I suspect that's how average Joe will eventually conclude HDR is better. Not because they are actually getting a decent HDR experience, but because DisplayHDR certification prevents usage of the most atrocious cost cutting measures.
It's only at DisplayHDR 1000 (and only with rare HDR content) where benefits become obvious.
a5cent - Saturday, September 29, 2018 - link
Almost forget... just with a HDR badge, but without DisplayHDR certification (like this monitor), all bets are off. Such a monitor can, but doesn't have to be, bargain bin trash, because there is no technical standard that defines what a HDR monitor is or must do (hence the DisplayHDR standard).Soon almost every FreeSync scaler for $2 will accept a HDR10 signal, so every new (non g-sync) monitor, no matter how terrible, could theoretically be called a HDR monitor.
milkywayer - Sunday, September 30, 2018 - link
We have Rtings the reviews for a reason :)Have they started reviewing monitors or still TVs only?
ezridah - Tuesday, October 2, 2018 - link
They do monitors. The amount they have reviewed isn't very impressive and they don't seem to be reviewing them as often as TVs, but it's better than nothing.haukionkannel - Sunday, September 30, 2018 - link
Well 600+ is minimum I think that you see the difference...1000+ ones Are really expensive... but 600” Are reasonable.
jabber - Saturday, September 29, 2018 - link
I wonder how this would look hooked up to a FireTV box and a soundbar for TV use?sing_electric - Wednesday, October 3, 2018 - link
Probably a lot better than any 32" TV you could buy, but, on the other hand, it's double the cost of a lot of 32" 4K TVs....Icehawk - Saturday, September 29, 2018 - link
I have their older, non-HDR, panel and for the $400ish I paid it is a phenomenal deal IMO. Works great for games and is large enough I don’t squint like I do at my 27”” 2k at normal scaling. If only my boss would sign off on one at work...SanX - Saturday, September 29, 2018 - link
Thanks to TV tech evolution the times when monitor mafia charged $4000 for the monitor are gone and forgotten.It is not for PC monitors you all have to look but for the best TVs connected to PC with the minimum input lag below 20ms, game mode and 4:4:4 color at highest possible refresh rate (60Hz minimum). And yes, the 50" is absolute minimum size below which everything is just a 100% garbage.
milkod2001 - Tuesday, October 2, 2018 - link
Monitor mafia? That's nothing. Ever heard of washing machine mafia? They tend to overcharge for products big time!ados_cz - Monday, October 1, 2018 - link
Bring on 40"+ 4k 100Hz, with curved screen and 'any'-sync and take my money.