While this is interesting there is a flip side. The next car with this is going to total itself when it gets in a wreck with a legacy vehicle. The cost of all those radar systems and other electronic components is increasing the replacement costs when vehicles get into wrecks or are in natural disasters like a hurricane.
Not only do we need to see advancements in these systems that they are advertising but there needs to be a little cost control embedded in there. However, I think car manufacturer greed will get the best of our wallets.
Right now there are no cost controls because the price of the equipment is expense and generally custom. Advances are happening as manufacturers are starting to standardize and thus economies of scale will take effect. However, real mass production of these systems won't happen until the automotive gets the technology right. I do see this happening in my lifetime but the hype is out of control with some expecting fully autonomous vehicles in five years. Maturity will be a big thing, especially as insurers will have to account for this.
Long term, things will be even more interesting as the we could start to see governments mandate autonomous vehicles. With all the cars on a collective network for travel, speed limits can be raised for good traffic/weather. While accidents will still happen (why hello there deer), communication of autonomous vehicles can adjust speeds and divert traffic so in aggregate travel will be faster. This is what companies are really chasing after, it isn't after solo autonomy but being the one that sets the standard with the patent portfolio that all other manufacturers have to license. That is where the really big money is long term.
The biggest benefit in the near term just might be autonomous, driverless big rigs rather than autonomous cars. Without drivers, big rigs could be easily pushed off peak hours, constrained to drive only, say, between 11 PM and 5 AM, and then between, 10 AM and 4 PM. Then everyone's commute would be vastly improved, because big rigs on the streets and highways/freeways are singlehandedly responsible for most of the slowdowns and gridlock. Yeah, truck drivers will be out of a job... I'll shed a tear for their plight, one of these days - I promise.
I am not sure it just me - I dealt with computers a long time, but I am not sure I will trust them with all aspects of my life including driving. I originally thought this article is that ARM added some hardware changes to prevent spectrum style attack in there CPU.
Yeah it is really just you. Do you complain about the chips in the hospital as well? The chips that drive all the money systems? Is it just ARM you are afraid of? Or are IBM, AMD, Intel, Apple, Qualcomm, Samsung, Huawei safe?
I suspect, that folks like Fergy had a field day back in the late 40ies/early 50ies, mocking all the paranoid, anti-progress types who werent enthusiastic about nuclear bombs and nuclear energy.
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT NUCLEAR TESTS?!? You really think the government would have a nuke test site right outside Las Vegas if it was dangerous? What else are you scared of? Drinking fluoridated water?"
I wouldnt want it in my car either, but I'd go even further than you:
A law forbidding self driving cars, both in personal vehicles but especially commercial vehicles, would be a great idea.
If you're a naive, white&middle class techno-utopianist in North America, selfdriving vehicles seem like "the future". But in reality, they will cause more problems than they solve.
Totally agree with you boeush. Humans are far too emotional and distractable to have the responsibility of driving in ever more dense traffic conditions. The sheer number of men that pull burnouts at the intersection outside my house on a daily basis impresses on me that people should not be entrusted with the lives of others around them when they drive. V900's emotionally-charged response that includes unnecessary ridicule and aggression alone proves the point that people aren't in control of themselves often enough to make rational decisions when lives are at stake. Besides that, I'd love to take a nap in car on my way to work or literally do anything else while driving. That's 50 minutes each day that I can spend doing other things besides driving.
You're assuming that you will have a job, but the same AI boom that will make autonomous vehicles possible, will also eliminate many of the good, middle class jobs (that escaped outsourcing to India, etc.).
Oh, and if you think that I'm aggressive, just wait till you meet the gangs roaming the streets of automated North America.
A working class doesnt just disappear because progress has eliminated working class jobs.
What does disappear however, is their incentive to participate the civilizational project and play by the rules.
You want a future with AI and autonomous vehicles? Chances are that it'll be a society where people are more likely to commit a crime, than they are of getting a job.
Gated communities, neighborhoods and cities, patrolled by armed guards, will be where the remaining Middle class will spend their entire lives.
Rarely venturing outside to where the other three quarters of society live. The streets rife with violence, criminal gangs, drug addiction, religious fundamentalism and miniature race wars.
But hey! At least you'll get to take a nap on your way to work!
Just great the cost of cars is already way to high and they want to add even more into them making them even more complex and costly to build. In a few years it might just be time to dust off the old 10 speed and bike it every where..lol /jk /s
Now I am really afraid. Billion line's of code equals millions lines of bad code. This interconnect looks like a IO between two dynamic clusters it's more for an appeal to desktop like performance but certainly not like something ment for neither high SMP or HPC. Arm needs to work faster on SIMD development and implementation of it on base in order core's.
So what you're saying, is that in an autonomous car you would be exposed to double the risk?
The risk of code crashing, computer malfunctioning etc., on top of the risk from human drivers?
After all, autonomous vehicles would coexist with human drivers for the forseeable future.
(Aside from the many years it'll take before the technology trickles down to medium and economy priced vehicles, there will always be people who prefer to do the driving themselves.
When you need to scroll through two pages of comments to find out what the fu** "KDMIPS" means, because Google doesn't tell you anything useful straight away.
I fully expect my tech sources to call companies out on their bullshit if they use a capital K for thousand. K is Kelvin. Jesus.
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mooninite - Wednesday, September 26, 2018 - link
While this is interesting there is a flip side. The next car with this is going to total itself when it gets in a wreck with a legacy vehicle. The cost of all those radar systems and other electronic components is increasing the replacement costs when vehicles get into wrecks or are in natural disasters like a hurricane.Not only do we need to see advancements in these systems that they are advertising but there needs to be a little cost control embedded in there. However, I think car manufacturer greed will get the best of our wallets.
Kevin G - Wednesday, September 26, 2018 - link
Right now there are no cost controls because the price of the equipment is expense and generally custom. Advances are happening as manufacturers are starting to standardize and thus economies of scale will take effect. However, real mass production of these systems won't happen until the automotive gets the technology right. I do see this happening in my lifetime but the hype is out of control with some expecting fully autonomous vehicles in five years. Maturity will be a big thing, especially as insurers will have to account for this.Long term, things will be even more interesting as the we could start to see governments mandate autonomous vehicles. With all the cars on a collective network for travel, speed limits can be raised for good traffic/weather. While accidents will still happen (why hello there deer), communication of autonomous vehicles can adjust speeds and divert traffic so in aggregate travel will be faster. This is what companies are really chasing after, it isn't after solo autonomy but being the one that sets the standard with the patent portfolio that all other manufacturers have to license. That is where the really big money is long term.
boeush - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
The biggest benefit in the near term just might be autonomous, driverless big rigs rather than autonomous cars. Without drivers, big rigs could be easily pushed off peak hours, constrained to drive only, say, between 11 PM and 5 AM, and then between, 10 AM and 4 PM. Then everyone's commute would be vastly improved, because big rigs on the streets and highways/freeways are singlehandedly responsible for most of the slowdowns and gridlock. Yeah, truck drivers will be out of a job... I'll shed a tear for their plight, one of these days - I promise.HStewart - Wednesday, September 26, 2018 - link
It maybe just me but "autonomous" and "safety" just reminds me of the terminator.Death666Angel - Wednesday, September 26, 2018 - link
It's just you. You seem to be very "special" that way.HStewart - Wednesday, September 26, 2018 - link
I am not sure it just me - I dealt with computers a long time, but I am not sure I will trust them with all aspects of my life including driving. I originally thought this article is that ARM added some hardware changes to prevent spectrum style attack in there CPU.Fergy - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
Yeah it is really just you. Do you complain about the chips in the hospital as well? The chips that drive all the money systems?Is it just ARM you are afraid of? Or are IBM, AMD, Intel, Apple, Qualcomm, Samsung, Huawei safe?
V900 - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
I suspect, that folks like Fergy had a field day back in the late 40ies/early 50ies, mocking all the paranoid, anti-progress types who werent enthusiastic about nuclear bombs and nuclear energy."WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE WORRIED ABOUT NUCLEAR TESTS?!? You really think the government would have a nuke test site right outside Las Vegas if it was dangerous? What else are you scared of? Drinking fluoridated water?"
V900 - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
And nope, it would seem that HStewart isnt the only one to question the wisdom and benefits of self driving vehicles.In fact, outside of nerddom his opinion seems to be fairly mainstream:
https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1FI0...
V900 - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
I wouldnt want it in my car either, but I'd go even further than you:A law forbidding self driving cars, both in personal vehicles but especially commercial vehicles, would be a great idea.
If you're a naive, white&middle class techno-utopianist in North America, selfdriving vehicles seem like "the future". But in reality, they will cause more problems than they solve.
Its not a future, its a dead end.
boeush - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
I trust human drivers far less than computers. Humans are a genuine menace on the road. Just some perspective to counter your paranoia...PeachNCream - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
Totally agree with you boeush. Humans are far too emotional and distractable to have the responsibility of driving in ever more dense traffic conditions. The sheer number of men that pull burnouts at the intersection outside my house on a daily basis impresses on me that people should not be entrusted with the lives of others around them when they drive. V900's emotionally-charged response that includes unnecessary ridicule and aggression alone proves the point that people aren't in control of themselves often enough to make rational decisions when lives are at stake. Besides that, I'd love to take a nap in car on my way to work or literally do anything else while driving. That's 50 minutes each day that I can spend doing other things besides driving.V900 - Saturday, September 29, 2018 - link
You're assuming that you will have a job, but the same AI boom that will make autonomous vehicles possible, will also eliminate many of the good, middle class jobs (that escaped outsourcing to India, etc.).V900 - Saturday, September 29, 2018 - link
Oh, and if you think that I'm aggressive, just wait till you meet the gangs roaming the streets of automated North America.
A working class doesnt just disappear because progress has eliminated working class jobs.
What does disappear however, is their incentive to participate the civilizational project and play by the rules.
You want a future with AI and autonomous vehicles? Chances are that it'll be a society where people are more likely to commit a crime, than they are of getting a job.
Gated communities, neighborhoods and cities, patrolled by armed guards, will be where the remaining Middle class will spend their entire lives.
Rarely venturing outside to where the other three quarters of society live. The streets rife with violence, criminal gangs, drug addiction, religious fundamentalism and miniature race wars.
But hey! At least you'll get to take a nap on your way to work!
What if price will be a society w
of you taking a nap on the way
phoenix_rizzen - Wednesday, September 26, 2018 - link
ADAS is used several times in the article, but is never explained. What does it stand for?alpha64 - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
Advanced driver-assistance systems. Wikipedia has a decent (albeit somewhat brief) entry about it.rocky12345 - Wednesday, September 26, 2018 - link
Just great the cost of cars is already way to high and they want to add even more into them making them even more complex and costly to build. In a few years it might just be time to dust off the old 10 speed and bike it every where..lol /jk /sDeath666Angel - Wednesday, September 26, 2018 - link
"lol /jk /s" Might not post at all then.V900 - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
Dont forget: Also impossible to repair and keep on the road by yourself.If you have the finances for it, right now would be a good time to invest in some cars in reasonable condition from the 70ies/80ies.
There'll be a demand for cars that can people can drive and service by themselves in the future.
danwat1234 - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
KDMIP/s?PixyMisa - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
Thousands of Dhrystone Millions of Instructions Per Second.It's a dumb term, but that's what it means.
ZolaIII - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
Now I am really afraid. Billion line's of code equals millions lines of bad code. This interconnect looks like a IO between two dynamic clusters it's more for an appeal to desktop like performance but certainly not like something ment for neither high SMP or HPC. Arm needs to work faster on SIMD development and implementation of it on base in order core's.V900 - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
It is pretty frightening, considering the amount of crashes and unpredictable errors in modern software.boeush - Thursday, September 27, 2018 - link
Then again, consider the amount of crashes and unpredictable errors involving modern human drivers...V900 - Saturday, September 29, 2018 - link
So what you're saying, is that in an autonomous car you would be exposed to double the risk?The risk of code crashing, computer malfunctioning etc., on top of the risk from human drivers?
After all, autonomous vehicles would coexist with human drivers for the forseeable future.
(Aside from the many years it'll take before the technology trickles down to medium and economy priced vehicles, there will always be people who prefer to do the driving themselves.
efferz - Sunday, September 30, 2018 - link
Why do they still use such an old benchmark Dhrystone to measure the performance?jvl - Tuesday, October 2, 2018 - link
When you need to scroll through two pages of comments to find out what the fu** "KDMIPS" means, because Google doesn't tell you anything useful straight away.I fully expect my tech sources to call companies out on their bullshit if they use a capital K for thousand. K is Kelvin. Jesus.