Also "reminiscent of the colour options for the iPhone SE". I recall a few options for the SE about looking at the vibrant colors, did you mean the iPhone 5C? I might be mistaken.
For example: "Apple no longer offers a really small form-factor phone unless you go with last generation’s units". The word "last" is just incorrect. It should be "previous".
I found it very readable. Sure, there are a few odd syntax and word choices, and I don't argue that he should have an editor, but every writer should have an editor. I've seen much worse from native English speakers.
I am struggling to understand the section on haptic feedback. Not mechanical but uses a motor? I'm confused. Regardless I expect this is just a typo or a repeatedly edited sentence gone wrong. Or it's too early in the morning for me.
No problem. It might be too early in the morning for you.
There is no physical mechanism in the crown to cause it to click; it's just a freely rotating wheel. Instead Apple uses the watch's Taptic Engine (linear actuator) to shake the watch to simulate the sensation of a physical mechanism. This is similar to how the feedback mechanism works on Apple's Force Touch trackpads and touchscreens.
Still an unnecessary notch, no headphone jack, and even worse camera bump than before. Yeah, an iphone is still not a good product no matter how you look at it.
I don’t like the notch because it makes the iPhone look like every cheapo $500 Chinese phone that has copied that design feature.
Don’t have, and never will understand why people make such a big deal about a camera bump. It doesn’t bother me on neither my iPhone 6s nor my iPad Pro. The only people who notice it, seems to be internet commentators, can’t think of the last time I even noticed it.
Minor issues like those aside, the iPhone is a great product for everyone who don’t like Android. Heck, it’s a great product for everyone.
My three year old iPhone 6s just got an update, and is fast and snappy enough to postpone a new phone for at least another year.
Show me another phone on the market that you can keep for four years, and is supported by OS updates for that long.
I don't understand why you don't understand what the problem with camera bumps is? The phone wobbles when you put it on the table, and even with a case, it's more prone to scratches and damages. It also looks ugly.
I guess not a dealbreaker, but definitely, something that is ONLY there because it can't be solved yet. Similar as notch.
Regarding your last part, I still have a 2.5 yo OP3, and it's getting Pie. So that's another year. Battery is still at ~90% health.
Additionally, I don't know a single person who has kept any phone, including an iphone, for 4 years. So your point it moot to some degree. I'm sure there are such people, but I don't see them.
The iPhone 6 is four years old, and there are millions of people with one of those.
Just on the r/iPhone subreddit, there is no shortage of iPhone 6 owners who took a look at the upcoming iPhone XS, and decided to wait another year to upgrade.
The vast majority of people don't put their phones down on hard flat surfaces when they use them. I'm looking at an X right now and I didn't even know if it wobbled much or not until I just tested it. Ugly doesn't matter because it's a phone and mine already has scratches and cracks. Who cares? It's just a throw away consumer electronic.
The camera bump is definitely not prone to damage or scratches much more than anything else. Scratches on the top layer of glass of a lens doesn't even matter much. They don't really even resolve in photos unless the lens is quite literally cracked.
I use any phone with a case and I assume at least 80% of users do, The hump generally allows for better optics, a larger CMOS, stabilization, or a combination of the above, I'd always choose a hump over settling with an inferior camera.
I still use an iPhone 4s (circa 2011-2012), but it no longer gets updates to the OS (9.5.3). Anyway aside from a battery with failing capacity and poorly implemented advertising that has completely crippled browsing experience, the phone still works. been time for an upgrade for a few years though
The "cheapo $500 Chinese phone"s don't pay attention to detail like Apple do, not only do all the notch models have a chin, almost none of them take care to unify the thickness of the top bezel with the side bezels, therefore they're much uglier, though the ugliest of them all isn't Chinese and in fact comes from LG, the LG model (forgot which, not like it matters) has one of the smallish yet not waterdrop bezels that somehow just look cheap, can't decide between rounded and straight corners resulting in half the corners straight and half the corners rounded, and has 3 different widths for the 4 bezels (notch hiding mode's black top bar is a different thickness from the bottom bezel, and the actual top bezel fails to match the side bezels). I think the designer must've been blind.
The throttling is indeed permanent within the initial battery(at 100% of the charge). Also throttling has occurred on batteries rated good by Apple support. Geekbench worked with barely a year old iphone 7 throttled to 80%.
There is a possibility that faulty power management chips are to blame and poorly designed SoC relative to the voltage spikes that the battery can take. This can be an inherent design flaw and not a bad battery. This is something for which LG had to pay back users and not just offer a battery exchange.
Remember, iphone 6,6s and 7(still on sale). Three years of faulty iphones that people never knew they were being kneecapped.
This throttling argument is really funny. Yes, just as every other smartphone manufacturer does, Apple throttles. And yes, the percentage may even be larger. But what isn’t mentioned anywhere that silly thing comes up, is that Apple’s chip starts at a much higher level of performance than any other chip, so even with the throttling, the performance is very good.
This isn’t a real issue, and it’s been changes in software, as it’s a software controlled decision.
Nope, other phones don't throttle like Apple did. The few that did payed the price, Apple got away with it. Apple not only did it they also lied to their users. It was about stopping iphones from turning off and not for the sake of battery endurance. The fact that they even excused themselves this way is even more ridiculous.
As your name suggest, otherwise it would be just mel.
Your comment is pure propaganda. It also shows that you lack of knowledge about smart phone technology. But somehow you be arrogant and ignorant at the same time. You laughed at others’ arguments but you used the word “maybe” in yours. You’re a lame jackass.
The Nexus 6P throttled itself by shutting down randomly anytime the battery got below 40%. That phone was such a shitshow that Google replaced a ton of them with newer Pixel XL's for free.
I still have galaxy s4 that i use as a primary device. Works smooth and well with a battery i replaced myself about an year ago. The only problem is lack of 4g (though the sim in it doesnt support it anyways) and no updates after lollipop. Same with some friends that have xiaomi Mi3. And i think it is still recieves updates. And both are much older than iphone 6
Yeah, we expected dummies to come up with that. No doubt Samsung g will attempt another failed attempt to denigrate Apple, its products and customers with another jerk Ad using that. It will fail as all the others have.
" this means that Apple no longer offers a really small form-factor phone unless you go with last generation’s units."
I've sure Apple wouldn't do this unless they were convinced that it wouldn't lose them any great number of sales. Apple was really the only manufacturer still making phone screens that small on flagship devices.
I don't know about you guys, but as an iPhone X owner I don't think apple has done enough to entice us to upgrade this year. Price is to high for the XR model. The only reason I paid it last year was because it was a special anniversary edition and had all day battery life. I still have 40% battery left when I go to bed every night and they didn't introduce any new features that my Iphone X won't get with software updates.
Yeah, I don't think anyone expects someone with an X to upgrade to a new phone this year. That would seem like a waste of money IMO. I bought an X last year and hope to get at least 4 more years out of mine.
I like the fact that when Apple sells a 720P 6 inch phone at 750 bucks, everyone is happy. When some Android OEM sells a 750 bucks phone with 1080P display everyone is meh.
Don't you ever forger it ... This is Apple ... and when people go to sell their gently used iPhone Xr they will get about three times more money than your typical Android product. The instant resell value for Apple Devices is awesome... If you like upgrading frequently .. it all works.
Aside from the Android phone rarely offering anything new or interesting, but usually just reusing the same components all the other OEMs use, there’s also Android itself that is pretty uninteresting.
No ProMotion, no USB-C cable (seriously? The MacBooks are USB-C only!), still only a 5W adapter in the box, and they took out the headphone dongle to add insult to four figure injury. 2019's models please.
I actually love the Lighting connector more than USB-C, and don't understand why they didn't go with Lightning for their MacBooks, etc.
Lightning also seems to be better designed and thought-out... With Lightning, if something goes wrong it will most likely be with the cable connector, not the device itself. But with USB-C, since there's a tiny notch inside the device, it's the device which is likely to fail first, but the USB-C cable is quite well protected.
Regardless, I would also be interested to see bandwidth/throughput of Lightning vs USB3/USB-C.
And buy what exactly?? since every other phone on the market will be using USB C I think they will be forced by EU regulations to move to USB C eventually
You make a great point from technical perspective, and this is exactly my first thought as well. nevertheless, from a consumer standpoint, a standard (usb-c) stands to offer much more advantages then proprietary. Well, actually, maybe not for apple crowd, they often live in a cocoon so it does not matter.
I bet you never been in Europe (I live in Europe, in the EU actually) there are a lot of houses without any device with lighting port and a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more with USB C. Apple market here for smartphones is ~25%. Rest of their devices are way lower. While you get USB-C with every other smartphone, new laptops, new mobos for PCs. Now with the new Nvidia gpus, TVs etc.
And as I said, I don’t know a single family where there isn’t at least ONE Apple device. Whether it’s the daughters iPhone or the family iPad or whatever.
The teenagers, especially teenage girls all seem to have an iPhone. Go into any electronics store and there’s a wall with Lightning products, with a shelf or two next to it with Samsung accessories.
As for sales figures, sure... iPhones make up 20-30% depending on which exact country.
But that’s deceiving, since people tend to keep their Apple products longer. (You see tons of older iPhone 6 and 6s or older iPads every day in the metro)
So while the sale figures are low, in practice at least half of the devices you see people using are Apple devices.
Um, what? USB-C is on every new device. Even Macbooks come only with USB-C.
Opting for Lightning nowadays would be like opting for micro-USB. It's stupid. USB-C will power everything soon. I actually charge my Dell XPS and Pixel 2 with a Macbook Pro USB-C charger. Why would I want to have more than one cable?
I don't care if you've owned an iPhone 6 for 4 years. All you do is blabber about how generally bad Android OS is when both android and iOS have flaws.
Not to mention the standard way to send wired audio out.
There's nothing wrong with lightning outside of charging cables dying.
I swear that money must've changed hands when everyone else standardized on micro-usb. Mini I could see (and plug in correctly), but micro left a lot to be desired.
USB-C is still a train wreck, and to my knowledge the connectors are still not marked with their capabilities.
Good luck with that, considering the starting price is the same: $999.
One thousand dollars is a lot of money for a phone, considering it’s mostly an iteration of older devices. And that an OLED screebbis available in lots of other phones for a lot less.
Likewise the iPhone XR doesn’t offer anything that the iPhone 8, or even my lowly iPhone 6s, doesn’t already have.
But it’s 50$ more than the $699 that the iPhone 8 launches at.
I know someone that was proud of himself for finally paying off his phone. He went into debt for a phone and not only paid the sticker price, but added loan interest to the cost of a device that is obsolete before all of the payments are made. I don't understand why more people don't just pop $30 for a cheap prepaid handset that has identical functionality (plus the cost of maybe adding a decent sized microSD card for storage space) is beyond me. $1K for a phone, not even factoring in the interest or the cost of a service plan, is really stupid given there are much more sensible alternatives out there.
You could say the same about a lot of things... Why spend 50.000$ or 100.000$ on a BMW or Mercedes, when you can get a Hyundai that has identical functionality for 10.000$ or 20.000$?
Because the value of having something you like and is a pleasure to use is hard to put a dollar figure on!
Why is the notch still so huge? Somehow the last year or two among all manufacturers device innovation has stalled a bit or is targeted at the most extreme consumer rather than the norm.
Finally after 6 years trailing Android the stupid and ugly Russia size bezel look and feel of iPhone is gone. Now it looks like older and already wiring Galaxy or LG or bunch of other Chinese devices but with a notch.
Android crowd uses OLEDs from Galaxy3. Or 2?
And how it was possible to issue a $75 in China 720p phone for $750?
The A12 7nm chip is not industry first but second after Chinese Kyrin980. By the way lithographically Kyrin also has a whole billion transistors more.
How one can live without wireless charging? Nonsence. Or charging every day your Aople watch? An absurd.
Available hardware vs. announcements.....The A12 is the first 7nm SoC to be massproduced. Not the Kirin980. Which have to duly wait in line until Apple no longer needs all of TSMC's 7nm capacity.
Nobody cares if the Kirin980 technically was first or not. (Which it wasn’t.)
The A12 in the iPhone XS will be available for sale in a week. The Kirin980 won’t be in a phone for sale for another month.
By comparing the displays in cheapo 200$ Chinese phones with the class leading displays in phones like iPhone 8,7,6 or iPhone X, (widely acknowledged in independent tests as the best cellphone on the market) you’re demonstrating your ignorance and cluelessness on the topic.
There is much more to a display, than just a check mark next to 720p.
And yes, OLED displays have been available for awhile, if you don’t care about quality. But it’s only within the last year or two, that OLED displays finally catches up to LCD displays in several important aspects.
As for bezels, that’s a matter of taste. As long as the bezel is within reason, I and many others, don’t really care for the latest dumb trend to be inflicted on cellphones: The bezel less phone.
It’s just the latest inan attempt from manufacturers to distinguish
Whoops, sorry about that! The last part is missing.
Bezel less displays are just the latest attempts from OEMs to try and distinguish a phone that share 95% of the components with all the other phones on the market.
Some people like the look of an “edge to edge” display. But the practical consequences are a phone with poor structural integrity, a display that’s more likely to crack, and usually a poor and uncomfortable grip.
So no, bezels aren’t superfluous and backwards. They are a key ingredient in a solid, structurally solid phone.
But then again, we all know that Android phones aren’t a durable, quality product. Unlike the iPhone 8, for example.
You do know that only dumbest mention English spelling as an argument ? Congrats. And confirmation of that is your giving bad marks to Chinese displays based on tests while in real life 99,9999% Apple users at the best will not distinguish them from elcheapos or in some cases will even prefer cheapos ones.
I like to do this trick with brainwashed: ones I owned cheapo Zopo now 5 years old phone and not used last couple years: I asked people in the Apple and Samsung showrooms to compare my phone to theirs and tell which screen was subjectively better and guess how much my phone costs. No single person found that big brother screens were superior and no one believed about 1/4 Zopo's price. And when I asked to do the same on the bright sun, the comparison were ended same second with Apple/Samsung salespeople escaped ashamed, their dumbphones on California sun were just totally black.
Same tricks I like to do with "pros" who claim that they know the value of expensive wine asking them to find it among cheapo ones. Never lose. Too many clowns on this site lately, pity to lose my time
Largest BoM differences between Apple and elcheapo phones are display and processor. Apple A12 will cost same $25 vs $10 for cheapos and screen price difference will be $40 max so where the rest $500 ? In brainwashed heads
If that's the case, why does Apple's stuff constantly and consistently blow all Android devices out of the water performance-wise?
Do you know why Apple's displays are rated better than Samsung's even though Samsung manufactures them? Every Apple display since the iPhone 7 has been individually calibrated, and they fold the OLED at the bottom along with the display controller to get it closer to the bottom of the phone.
There are a *lot* of things that don't show up on a BOM, stuff you don't see like the cost of designing your own industry-leading chips.
The worst part about Apples September product launches?
They bring out the two of Tech’s most loathsome and mindless creatures:
The Hipster fanboy, who doesn’t think of himeself as neither a fanboy nor a geek. But still defends every move and decision by Apple, with the fanatical zeal of a religious convert.
And
The Android monk: His monastery is his basement, and his bible is the spec sheet. Judges everything by how many checks on the spec list it crosses. Has hated Apple with a religious passion ever since he found out the iPhone 4 didn’t take his precious Micro SD cards.
The pricing is completely out of whack with reality. Why should phones which are largely identical to last years Iphone X models still cost the same price?
are all OEMs just going to +$50 to their flagships every year until they find the consumer breaking point?
Maybe because it has plenty of updated, new tech, and that most buyers aren't just about superficiality regarding how it looks because their goal is how it functions not that others notice they have the latest iPhone?
I would doubt it at this point. Hopefully we get an XS deep dive, which could very well cover the A11 Bionic, too to show how Apple's chip design has evolved over the last few years.
They already have large phones, I wish they would stop letting the size of their smaller phones keep drifting up. As someone with smaller hands the 6/7/8 was just small enough I could use it comfortably one handed. Any bigger and it loses that and becomes a pain. It's one of the reasons I switched to an iPhone because all the other feature phones were getting gigantic. Thankfully budget and mid range phones have come a long way, might be time to go that route to get a reasonable sized phone.
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nicolaim - Wednesday, September 12, 2018 - link
"I had a bit of hand-on time with the new phones at the event, and was able to take away a few impressions on the new units." Sentence appears twicePrimarchLion - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Also "reminiscent of the colour options for the iPhone SE". I recall a few options for the SE about looking at the vibrant colors, did you mean the iPhone 5C? I might be mistaken.Ryan Smith - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Thanks!mukiex - Tuesday, September 18, 2018 - link
"So we’ll have to wait for the upcoming review"They used that one twice as well. Last time was a year ago =D
nicolaim - Wednesday, September 12, 2018 - link
Typo: "It’s still very much and LCD screen"Aeioguy - Wednesday, September 12, 2018 - link
I assume English is not your primary language, but you really need an editor. This is almost unreadable.Stochastic - Wednesday, September 12, 2018 - link
That's a bit of an exaggeration. Which parts are unreadable?yankeeDDL - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
For example: "Apple no longer offers a really small form-factor phone unless you go with last generation’s units". The word "last" is just incorrect. It should be "previous".mkaibear - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
The word "last" isn't incorrect when used in this context."previous" would require an explicit indefinite article.
SirCanealot - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
English is my native language and it's still perfectly readable though :/GreenReaper - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
It's understandable, but it should have been "with *the* last generation's units".Inteli - Wednesday, September 12, 2018 - link
I found it very readable. Sure, there are a few odd syntax and word choices, and I don't argue that he should have an editor, but every writer should have an editor. I've seen much worse from native English speakers.Flying Aardvark - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Yes, but they aren't usually best candidates for online journalism.philehidiot - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
I am struggling to understand the section on haptic feedback. Not mechanical but uses a motor? I'm confused. Regardless I expect this is just a typo or a repeatedly edited sentence gone wrong. Or it's too early in the morning for me.Ryan Smith - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
No problem. It might be too early in the morning for you.There is no physical mechanism in the crown to cause it to click; it's just a freely rotating wheel. Instead Apple uses the watch's Taptic Engine (linear actuator) to shake the watch to simulate the sensation of a physical mechanism. This is similar to how the feedback mechanism works on Apple's Force Touch trackpads and touchscreens.
philehidiot - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Ah, I get it. Thanks!I've woken up now.
varase - Tuesday, October 2, 2018 - link
Oh God ... we're doomed.Trolls from the Android Army I expect ... but who let in the English majors?
SaturnusDK - Wednesday, September 12, 2018 - link
Still an unnecessary notch, no headphone jack, and even worse camera bump than before. Yeah, an iphone is still not a good product no matter how you look at it.V900 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
I don’t like the notch because it makes the iPhone look like every cheapo $500 Chinese phone that has copied that design feature.Don’t have, and never will understand why people make such a big deal about a camera bump. It doesn’t bother me on neither my iPhone 6s nor my iPad Pro. The only people who notice it, seems to be internet commentators, can’t think of the last time I even noticed it.
Minor issues like those aside, the iPhone is a great product for everyone who don’t like Android. Heck, it’s a great product for everyone.
My three year old iPhone 6s just got an update, and is fast and snappy enough to postpone a new phone for at least another year.
Show me another phone on the market that you can keep for four years, and is supported by OS updates for that long.
You can’t.
markiz - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
I don't understand why you don't understand what the problem with camera bumps is? The phone wobbles when you put it on the table, and even with a case, it's more prone to scratches and damages. It also looks ugly.I guess not a dealbreaker, but definitely, something that is ONLY there because it can't be solved yet. Similar as notch.
Regarding your last part, I still have a 2.5 yo OP3, and it's getting Pie. So that's another year. Battery is still at ~90% health.
Additionally, I don't know a single person who has kept any phone, including an iphone, for 4 years. So your point it moot to some degree. I'm sure there are such people, but I don't see them.
V900 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
The iPhone 6 is four years old, and there are millions of people with one of those.Just on the r/iPhone subreddit, there is no shortage of iPhone 6 owners who took a look at the upcoming iPhone XS, and decided to wait another year to upgrade.
markiz - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
MaybeI guess it's subjective. My experience is that most of those are those who bought it by the time 8 hit, for cheaper.
Kvaern1 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
A measurable fact (the amount of people still holdning on to an Iphone 6) is the oppostite of subjective.varase - Tuesday, September 18, 2018 - link
I have an iPhone 6 - bought at intro.I used it, my daughter used it, and though its battery was degraded, I bought a the cheap replacement and we're keeping it as an emergency backup.
noone2 - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
The vast majority of people don't put their phones down on hard flat surfaces when they use them. I'm looking at an X right now and I didn't even know if it wobbled much or not until I just tested it. Ugly doesn't matter because it's a phone and mine already has scratches and cracks. Who cares? It's just a throw away consumer electronic.The camera bump is definitely not prone to damage or scratches much more than anything else. Scratches on the top layer of glass of a lens doesn't even matter much. They don't really even resolve in photos unless the lens is quite literally cracked.
s.yu - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
I use any phone with a case and I assume at least 80% of users do, The hump generally allows for better optics, a larger CMOS, stabilization, or a combination of the above, I'd always choose a hump over settling with an inferior camera.Tams80 - Sunday, September 16, 2018 - link
Or they could, you know, make the whole phone thicker and put in a larger battery and perhaps a headphone jack.Nah, that would be silly.
The only phone that I have found a camera bump acceptable on was the Nokia 808 PureView. It had a beast of a small camera though.
s.yu - Sunday, September 16, 2018 - link
Well, thicker works up to about 9mm IMO.Myrandex - Monday, September 17, 2018 - link
Another +1 for her iPhone 6s plus getting updates still too!varase - Tuesday, September 18, 2018 - link
I just upgraded the 6 to iOS 12.stancilmor - Tuesday, September 18, 2018 - link
I still use an iPhone 4s (circa 2011-2012), but it no longer gets updates to the OS (9.5.3). Anyway aside from a battery with failing capacity and poorly implemented advertising that has completely crippled browsing experience, the phone still works. been time for an upgrade for a few years thoughs.yu - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
The "cheapo $500 Chinese phone"s don't pay attention to detail like Apple do, not only do all the notch models have a chin, almost none of them take care to unify the thickness of the top bezel with the side bezels, therefore they're much uglier, though the ugliest of them all isn't Chinese and in fact comes from LG, the LG model (forgot which, not like it matters) has one of the smallish yet not waterdrop bezels that somehow just look cheap, can't decide between rounded and straight corners resulting in half the corners straight and half the corners rounded, and has 3 different widths for the 4 bezels (notch hiding mode's black top bar is a different thickness from the bottom bezel, and the actual top bezel fails to match the side bezels). I think the designer must've been blind.JasonMZW20 - Tuesday, September 18, 2018 - link
I hate the camera bump on my X, but a clear case evens it out, so it sits flat now.It's personal preference. I like things to sit flat.
V900 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Ever noticed how many people still have an iPhone 6 or 6s?That’s a great phone in my book.
You know what you don’t see though? The Nexus 6P, Google Pixel, Motorola G4 or Galaxy Note 5.
All phones that were launched when the 6 and 6s came out.
Which phone isn’t a good product again?
id4andrei - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Ever noticed how millions of iphones 6,6s or 7 are currently undergoing permanent throttling?Do you realize many of those millions don't even know they are walking with a faulty smartphone in their pocket?
Have you noticed world wide class action suits taking place?
V900 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
The throttling is by no means permanent, a simple battery replacement takes care of that.And Apple have also stopped it through a new iPhone update.
Worldwide class action = a bunch of American lawyers found a possible goldmine.
Yes, Americans like to sue. Sometimes with good reason, sometimes with less of a reason.
Any lawsuit will primarily benefit the lawyers. What’s your point?
id4andrei - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
The throttling is indeed permanent within the initial battery(at 100% of the charge). Also throttling has occurred on batteries rated good by Apple support. Geekbench worked with barely a year old iphone 7 throttled to 80%.There is a possibility that faulty power management chips are to blame and poorly designed SoC relative to the voltage spikes that the battery can take. This can be an inherent design flaw and not a bad battery. This is something for which LG had to pay back users and not just offer a battery exchange.
Remember, iphone 6,6s and 7(still on sale). Three years of faulty iphones that people never knew they were being kneecapped.
melgross - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
This throttling argument is really funny. Yes, just as every other smartphone manufacturer does, Apple throttles. And yes, the percentage may even be larger. But what isn’t mentioned anywhere that silly thing comes up, is that Apple’s chip starts at a much higher level of performance than any other chip, so even with the throttling, the performance is very good.This isn’t a real issue, and it’s been changes in software, as it’s a software controlled decision.
id4andrei - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Nope, other phones don't throttle like Apple did. The few that did payed the price, Apple got away with it. Apple not only did it they also lied to their users. It was about stopping iphones from turning off and not for the sake of battery endurance. The fact that they even excused themselves this way is even more ridiculous.varase - Tuesday, October 2, 2018 - link
Apple throttled to keep the phone viable, even with a degraded battery.Others simply let the phones die.
sonny73n - Sunday, September 16, 2018 - link
@melgrossAs your name suggest, otherwise it would be just mel.
Your comment is pure propaganda. It also shows that you lack of knowledge about smart phone technology. But somehow you be arrogant and ignorant at the same time. You laughed at others’ arguments but you used the word “maybe” in yours. You’re a lame jackass.
ColMusstard - Saturday, September 15, 2018 - link
The Nexus 6P throttled itself by shutting down randomly anytime the battery got below 40%. That phone was such a shitshow that Google replaced a ton of them with newer Pixel XL's for free.leo_sk - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
I still have galaxy s4 that i use as a primary device. Works smooth and well with a battery i replaced myself about an year ago. The only problem is lack of 4g (though the sim in it doesnt support it anyways) and no updates after lollipop. Same with some friends that have xiaomi Mi3. And i think it is still recieves updates. And both are much older than iphone 6zodiacfml - Wednesday, September 12, 2018 - link
What is the display refresh rate? Another site shows that all models have a 120 Hz display?zodiacfml - Wednesday, September 12, 2018 - link
Nevermind.twtech - Wednesday, September 12, 2018 - link
The "iphone excess".melgross - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Yeah, we expected dummies to come up with that. No doubt Samsung g will attempt another failed attempt to denigrate Apple, its products and customers with another jerk Ad using that. It will fail as all the others have.Tams80 - Sunday, September 16, 2018 - link
It naturally reads as that though and 'XS' sounds exactly the same as 'excess'.That it's true means that it's not really even joke.
Flunk - Wednesday, September 12, 2018 - link
" this means that Apple no longer offers a really small form-factor phone unless you go with last generation’s units."I've sure Apple wouldn't do this unless they were convinced that it wouldn't lose them any great number of sales. Apple was really the only manufacturer still making phone screens that small on flagship devices.
dudedud - Wednesday, September 12, 2018 - link
Last time they released the SE 6 months after the 6S. So maybe, just maybe, there is still hope for a smaller SE2 next year.zeeBomb - Wednesday, September 12, 2018 - link
Was so hyped that it would be 120hz ProMotion...But nooooo. Its 120hz touch response!varase - Tuesday, October 2, 2018 - link
I don't think they can do 120hz refresh on an OLED display.BTW, the iPhone X also had 120hz touch response.
Morawka - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
I don't know about you guys, but as an iPhone X owner I don't think apple has done enough to entice us to upgrade this year. Price is to high for the XR model. The only reason I paid it last year was because it was a special anniversary edition and had all day battery life. I still have 40% battery left when I go to bed every night and they didn't introduce any new features that my Iphone X won't get with software updates.AnnoyedGrunt - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Yeah, I don't think anyone expects someone with an X to upgrade to a new phone this year. That would seem like a waste of money IMO. I bought an X last year and hope to get at least 4 more years out of mine.Kvaern1 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Yea well, there's has been a lack of good reasons to year to year since the Iphone 4S, other than vanity.melgross - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
And the good reason to post what you did is for a good reason too, frustration at not being able to afford a good phone.s.yu - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
Are you sure about the smart HDR? Are you sure about Elder Scrolls compatibility?varase - Tuesday, October 2, 2018 - link
I'm on the Apple Upgrade Program, missed the plus sized screen, and am really impressed with the camera and A12 bionic.yeeeeman - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
I like the fact that when Apple sells a 720P 6 inch phone at 750 bucks, everyone is happy. When some Android OEM sells a 750 bucks phone with 1080P display everyone is meh.shabby - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
They want you to see those beautiful liquid retina pixels. $500 would of been acceptable but this is apple.TEAMSWITCHER - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Don't you ever forger it ... This is Apple ... and when people go to sell their gently used iPhone Xr they will get about three times more money than your typical Android product. The instant resell value for Apple Devices is awesome... If you like upgrading frequently .. it all works.Lavkesh - Wednesday, September 19, 2018 - link
Because thats what Android OEM's have conditioned you to believe. Specs sheet means a better phone. No sir.V900 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Aside from the Android phone rarely offering anything new or interesting, but usually just reusing the same components all the other OEMs use, there’s also Android itself that is pretty uninteresting.markiz - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
There are a lot of things to be said about android, some valid some not.But calling it uninteresting in comparison to ios is just ridiculous.
melgross - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Ridiculously accurate.r3loaded - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
No ProMotion, no USB-C cable (seriously? The MacBooks are USB-C only!), still only a 5W adapter in the box, and they took out the headphone dongle to add insult to four figure injury. 2019's models please.ibnMuhammad_ - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
I actually love the Lighting connector more than USB-C, and don't understand why they didn't go with Lightning for their MacBooks, etc.Lightning also seems to be better designed and thought-out...
With Lightning, if something goes wrong it will most likely be with the cable connector, not the device itself. But with USB-C, since there's a tiny notch inside the device, it's the device which is likely to fail first, but the USB-C cable is quite well protected.
Regardless, I would also be interested to see bandwidth/throughput of Lightning vs USB3/USB-C.
V900 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Amen! The day Apple switches out Lightning with USB C is the day I’m dropping iPhones.ancientarcher - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
And buy what exactly?? since every other phone on the market will be using USB CI think they will be forced by EU regulations to move to USB C eventually
V900 - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
And buy nothing, at least for a few years. Today’s phones have a performance where an iPhone 8 will do fine for a good 4-5 years.markiz - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
You make a great point from technical perspective, and this is exactly my first thought as well.nevertheless, from a consumer standpoint, a standard (usb-c) stands to offer much more advantages then proprietary. Well, actually, maybe not for apple crowd, they often live in a cocoon so it does not matter.
V900 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Nonsense.First of all, USB C cant do anything that Lightning can’t do.
Secondly, USB C is hardly consumer friendly. It’s hugely confusing, expensive and not very widespread.
From a consumer standpoint the Lightning protocol/port is better, especially considering how widespread it is.
It’s hard to find a household where there isn’t at least one device using the Lightning port in North America and Europe.
Kur23 - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
I bet you never been in Europe (I live in Europe, in the EU actually) there are a lot of houses without any device with lighting port and a waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more with USB C. Apple market here for smartphones is ~25%. Rest of their devices are way lower.While you get USB-C with every other smartphone, new laptops, new mobos for PCs. Now with the new Nvidia gpus, TVs etc.
V900 - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
Lol! I am in Europe right now.And as I said, I don’t know a single family where there isn’t at least ONE Apple device. Whether it’s the daughters iPhone or the family iPad or whatever.
The teenagers, especially teenage girls all seem to have an iPhone. Go into any electronics store and there’s a wall with Lightning products, with a shelf or two next to it with Samsung accessories.
As for sales figures, sure... iPhones make up 20-30% depending on which exact country.
But that’s deceiving, since people tend to keep their Apple products longer. (You see tons of older iPhone 6 and 6s or older iPads every day in the metro)
So while the sale figures are low, in practice at least half of the devices you see people using are Apple devices.
noone2 - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
Um, what? USB-C is on every new device. Even Macbooks come only with USB-C.Opting for Lightning nowadays would be like opting for micro-USB. It's stupid. USB-C will power everything soon. I actually charge my Dell XPS and Pixel 2 with a Macbook Pro USB-C charger. Why would I want to have more than one cable?
Ro_Ja - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
There's no point in talking with an apple fanboy.I don't care if you've owned an iPhone 6 for 4 years. All you do is blabber about how generally bad Android OS is when both android and iOS have flaws.
V900 - Saturday, September 15, 2018 - link
Translation: “Why would I need more than one cable” = “Why would I need more than one cable and 5-6 dongles.”varase - Tuesday, October 2, 2018 - link
Not to mention the standard way to send wired audio out.There's nothing wrong with lightning outside of charging cables dying.
I swear that money must've changed hands when everyone else standardized on micro-usb. Mini I could see (and plug in correctly), but micro left a lot to be desired.
USB-C is still a train wreck, and to my knowledge the connectors are still not marked with their capabilities.
iwod - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
The 2 Extra Antenna Line are for the 4x4 MIMO support on the Xs Model. Compare to only 2x2 on the Xr model.Still waiting for someone to give me a possible explanation of why Xr goes without LAA. ( Apart from market segmentation )
The Von Matrices - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
I think it's now appropriate to conclude that with their endless iterations of OS X and now their iPhone X, Apple is unable to count past 10.philehidiot - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
They're gonna have to start using their toes. It's the only way.V900 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
“Bringing last years device to a larger audience”Good luck with that, considering the starting price is the same: $999.
One thousand dollars is a lot of money for a phone, considering it’s mostly an iteration of older devices. And that an OLED screebbis available in lots of other phones for a lot less.
Likewise the iPhone XR doesn’t offer anything that the iPhone 8, or even my lowly iPhone 6s, doesn’t already have.
But it’s 50$ more than the $699 that the iPhone 8 launches at.
PeachNCream - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
I know someone that was proud of himself for finally paying off his phone. He went into debt for a phone and not only paid the sticker price, but added loan interest to the cost of a device that is obsolete before all of the payments are made. I don't understand why more people don't just pop $30 for a cheap prepaid handset that has identical functionality (plus the cost of maybe adding a decent sized microSD card for storage space) is beyond me. $1K for a phone, not even factoring in the interest or the cost of a service plan, is really stupid given there are much more sensible alternatives out there.V900 - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
Well, I mean people like what they like.You could say the same about a lot of things... Why spend 50.000$ or 100.000$ on a BMW or Mercedes, when you can get a Hyundai that has identical functionality for 10.000$ or 20.000$?
Because the value of having something you like and is a pleasure to use is hard to put a dollar figure on!
RSAUser - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Why is the notch still so huge?Somehow the last year or two among all manufacturers device innovation has stalled a bit or is targeted at the most extreme consumer rather than the norm.
V900 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
It’s part of the design language of the new phones. I suspect they’ll keep the notch, even when it’s not a technical necessity anymore.SanX - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Finally after 6 years trailing Android the stupid and ugly Russia size bezel look and feel of iPhone is gone. Now it looks like older and already wiring Galaxy or LG or bunch of other Chinese devices but with a notch.Android crowd uses OLEDs from Galaxy3. Or 2?
And how it was possible to issue a $75 in China 720p phone for $750?
The A12 7nm chip is not industry first but second after Chinese Kyrin980. By the way lithographically Kyrin also has a whole billion transistors more.
How one can live without wireless charging? Nonsence. Or charging every day your Aople watch? An absurd.
SanX - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Typo: "wiring Galaxy" --> boring GalaxyKvaern1 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Available hardware vs. announcements.....The A12 is the first 7nm SoC to be massproduced. Not the Kirin980. Which have to duly wait in line until Apple no longer needs all of TSMC's 7nm capacity.V900 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Your spelling is as weak as your logic.Nobody cares if the Kirin980 technically was first or not. (Which it wasn’t.)
The A12 in the iPhone XS will be available for sale in a week. The Kirin980 won’t be in a phone for sale for another month.
By comparing the displays in cheapo 200$ Chinese phones with the class leading displays in phones like iPhone 8,7,6 or iPhone X, (widely acknowledged in independent tests as the best cellphone on the market) you’re demonstrating your ignorance and cluelessness on the topic.
There is much more to a display, than just a check mark next to 720p.
And yes, OLED displays have been available for awhile, if you don’t care about quality. But it’s only within the last year or two, that OLED displays finally catches up to LCD displays in several important aspects.
As for bezels, that’s a matter of taste. As long as the bezel is within reason, I and many others, don’t really care for the latest dumb trend to be inflicted on cellphones: The bezel less phone.
It’s just the latest inan attempt from manufacturers to distinguish
V900 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
Whoops, sorry about that! The last part is missing.Bezel less displays are just the latest attempts from OEMs to try and distinguish a phone that share 95% of the components with all the other phones on the market.
Some people like the look of an “edge to edge” display. But the practical consequences are a phone with poor structural integrity, a display that’s more likely to crack, and usually a poor and uncomfortable grip.
So no, bezels aren’t superfluous and backwards. They are a key ingredient in a solid, structurally solid phone.
But then again, we all know that Android phones aren’t a durable, quality product. Unlike the iPhone 8, for example.
SanX - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
You do know that only dumbest mention English spelling as an argument ? Congrats. And confirmation of that is your giving bad marks to Chinese displays based on tests while in real life 99,9999% Apple users at the best will not distinguish them from elcheapos or in some cases will even prefer cheapos ones.I like to do this trick with brainwashed: ones I owned cheapo Zopo now 5 years old phone and not used last couple years: I asked people in the Apple and Samsung showrooms to compare my phone to theirs and tell which screen was subjectively better and guess how much my phone costs. No single person found that big brother screens were superior and no one believed about 1/4 Zopo's price. And when I asked to do the same on the bright sun, the comparison were ended same second with Apple/Samsung salespeople escaped ashamed, their dumbphones on California sun were just totally black.
Same tricks I like to do with "pros" who claim that they know the value of expensive wine asking them to find it among cheapo ones. Never lose.
Too many clowns on this site lately, pity to lose my time
SanX - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
Largest BoM differences between Apple and elcheapo phones are display and processor. Apple A12 will cost same $25 vs $10 for cheapos and screen price difference will be $40 max so where the rest $500 ? In brainwashed headsvarase - Wednesday, October 3, 2018 - link
You think you could make an A12 for $25?If that's the case, why does Apple's stuff constantly and consistently blow all Android devices out of the water performance-wise?
Do you know why Apple's displays are rated better than Samsung's even though Samsung manufactures them? Every Apple display since the iPhone 7 has been individually calibrated, and they fold the OLED at the bottom along with the display controller to get it closer to the bottom of the phone.
There are a *lot* of things that don't show up on a BOM, stuff you don't see like the cost of designing your own industry-leading chips.
janus2010 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
700-800 for a phone with 720p screen... ONLY apple would ever do this ( and get away with it )so many Isheeps its sad.
V900 - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
The worst part about Apples September product launches?They bring out the two of Tech’s most loathsome and mindless creatures:
The Hipster fanboy, who doesn’t think of himeself as neither a fanboy nor a geek. But still defends every move and decision by Apple, with the fanatical zeal of a religious convert.
And
The Android monk: His monastery is his basement, and his bible is the spec sheet. Judges everything by how many checks on the spec list it crosses. Has hated Apple with a religious passion ever since he found out the iPhone 4 didn’t take his precious Micro SD cards.
darkich - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
This is absolutely true.Tams80 - Sunday, September 16, 2018 - link
Creepily.Lau_Tech - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
The pricing is completely out of whack with reality. Why should phones which are largely identical to last years Iphone X models still cost the same price?are all OEMs just going to +$50 to their flagships every year until they find the consumer breaking point?
solipsism - Saturday, September 15, 2018 - link
Maybe because it has plenty of updated, new tech, and that most buyers aren't just about superficiality regarding how it looks because their goal is how it functions not that others notice they have the latest iPhone?varase - Tuesday, October 2, 2018 - link
I've owned both and have to say you're delusional.The XS is a worthy replacement of the X - especially at the same price.
frozen_water - Thursday, September 13, 2018 - link
so that iPhone X review... is that ever coming? will anandtech ever be relevant again?V900 - Friday, September 14, 2018 - link
Good question! I used to enjoy their deep dives into Apple devices and CPUs.Haven’t had that for a long time!
solipsism - Saturday, September 15, 2018 - link
I would doubt it at this point. Hopefully we get an XS deep dive, which could very well cover the A11 Bionic, too to show how Apple's chip design has evolved over the last few years.mjeffer - Saturday, September 15, 2018 - link
They already have large phones, I wish they would stop letting the size of their smaller phones keep drifting up. As someone with smaller hands the 6/7/8 was just small enough I could use it comfortably one handed. Any bigger and it loses that and becomes a pain. It's one of the reasons I switched to an iPhone because all the other feature phones were getting gigantic. Thankfully budget and mid range phones have come a long way, might be time to go that route to get a reasonable sized phone.Aside from that, the naming scheme is awful.
FordGT550 - Wednesday, September 19, 2018 - link
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