Maybe not, looks like an SFP+ port on the NAS. Can't believe their press release didn't mention the type of port... Suspect it's SFP+ cause that's what the others with this chipset have but they want to get 10Gb headlines. Or did Anandtech just leave it out? Eitherway, I have 10Gb SFP+ ports and not BaseT so I don't care, not that I would buy an entery level NAS.
A side note, nice to see Annapurna Labs using an A57 core over the A15, welcome to 2015. I love the concept of their chips bringing enterprise features to cheap consumer chips. If they are going to do anything useful in the NAS market we need faster CPU cores though.
The SOHO market doesn't want this. Buy QNAP had to cheap out somewhere, and the best way to do it was cutting most of the cost of implementing 10Gbe while still technically having a 10Gbe-enabled device.
I suspect there will be a lot of returns of these...
This seems like a fine fit for SOHO. SFP+ is still more common than 10GbE (especially on switches, if you only need 1-2 ports), and 3-bay is perfect for a RAID-5 of large drives. Rebuild times will suck, but it's not like your typical SOHO is going to spring for RAID-10 anyway.
Hell, this isn't even bad for a lower-tier enterprise solution. I've got an 8-bay rackmount QNAP from 2009 that this thing could easily replace and provide more storage, better IO performance, and much higher network throughput.
does QTS support for example PPoE (seeming you can download a ppoe app that lets you do just that) and does anyone use their NAS as a router as well? In theory the NAS operating system gets updated more often that ISP supplied routers...
RAID5 is the only practical one. RAID0 is just retarded for permanent storage. RAID1/10 need even numbers of drives, RAID6 needs at least 4 drives. RAID2/3/4 are for various reasons dead standards.
Let's say i have 3x 3TB drives in there in RAID 5. That will give me 6GB of available storage with any disk if fails but only one at the time, im still safe to replace disk and rebuild RAID 5?
With the caveat that if anything goes wrong during the rebuild you're probably screwed. RAID6 can protect against a 2nd failure during rebuild, but needs 2 drives for redundancy instead of 1, meaning that effectively the smallest array size for it is 4 drives.
Raid 5 is the only smart option. Raid 0 would be a failure waiting to happen with it and if you are connected via 1GbE your network is such a bottleneck that Raid 0 is pointless at any rate. You could do Raid 1 via 2 drives and just a plain drive on the other for a similar overall capacity (assuming 3 identical drives) but that means half of your data isnt crash protected. Raid 5 is the only logical answer.
Would love to see a smallish NAS box, equiped with a real processor, 10Gbe, wave 2 router, with the NAS side capable of running Windows Server or Linux, all a t a resonable price.
Build it yourself. 2200G chips are cheap. PCIe ports are cheap. Cases are cheap. Power supplies are cheap. 3TB and 4TB drives are probably more price effective than whatever you'd want to use with the 3 port job (and of course you can use the 8-12 TB beasts if you want an array of 8+ huge drives).
The only possible non-cheap parts in the whole thing are a motherboard with ECC (assuming you are going whole hog) and the 10G ethernet port.
But when you are done you have a 8-12 bay NAS. Buying from QNAP is for people who can't install FreeNAS & BSD (having a contractor build the above is probably a wash and having QNAP support swings the deal in favor of QNAP).
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Morawka - Wednesday, September 5, 2018 - link
yay now I can use my 10GbE ethernet port on my R6E motherboard.danielfranklin - Wednesday, September 5, 2018 - link
Maybe not, looks like an SFP+ port on the NAS.Can't believe their press release didn't mention the type of port...
Suspect it's SFP+ cause that's what the others with this chipset have but they want to get 10Gb headlines.
Or did Anandtech just leave it out?
Eitherway, I have 10Gb SFP+ ports and not BaseT so I don't care, not that I would buy an entery level NAS.
danielfranklin - Wednesday, September 5, 2018 - link
A side note, nice to see Annapurna Labs using an A57 core over the A15, welcome to 2015.I love the concept of their chips bringing enterprise features to cheap consumer chips. If they are going to do anything useful in the NAS market we need faster CPU cores though.
DanNeely - Wednesday, September 5, 2018 - link
SFP according to the linked QNAP page.HideOut - Wednesday, September 5, 2018 - link
"Sure to Fail Port" Why would the soho market want this? And this story failed to mention it while hyping a very pricey 3 bay. THREE bay. Wow.Samus - Thursday, September 6, 2018 - link
The SOHO market doesn't want this. Buy QNAP had to cheap out somewhere, and the best way to do it was cutting most of the cost of implementing 10Gbe while still technically having a 10Gbe-enabled device.I suspect there will be a lot of returns of these...
Black Obsidian - Thursday, September 6, 2018 - link
This seems like a fine fit for SOHO. SFP+ is still more common than 10GbE (especially on switches, if you only need 1-2 ports), and 3-bay is perfect for a RAID-5 of large drives. Rebuild times will suck, but it's not like your typical SOHO is going to spring for RAID-10 anyway.Hell, this isn't even bad for a lower-tier enterprise solution. I've got an 8-bay rackmount QNAP from 2009 that this thing could easily replace and provide more storage, better IO performance, and much higher network throughput.
rtho782 - Thursday, September 6, 2018 - link
This is fine. Few people have 10G RJ45 networks at home. Adding 10G to a desktop is easiest to do with an SFP NIC and a DAC.WatcherCK - Wednesday, September 5, 2018 - link
does QTS support for example PPoE (seeming you can download a ppoe app that lets you do just that) and does anyone use their NAS as a router as well? In theory the NAS operating system gets updated more often that ISP supplied routers...milkod2001 - Thursday, September 6, 2018 - link
What would be the best RAID config for 3 bay unit?DanNeely - Thursday, September 6, 2018 - link
RAID5 is the only practical one. RAID0 is just retarded for permanent storage. RAID1/10 need even numbers of drives, RAID6 needs at least 4 drives. RAID2/3/4 are for various reasons dead standards.milkod2001 - Thursday, September 6, 2018 - link
Let's say i have 3x 3TB drives in there in RAID 5. That will give me 6GB of available storage with any disk if fails but only one at the time, im still safe to replace disk and rebuild RAID 5?colonelclaw - Thursday, September 6, 2018 - link
Yes, exactly like that. It is always advisable to buy an extra drive so you have it to hand if it's needed. Eventually a hard drive will fail!DanNeely - Thursday, September 6, 2018 - link
With the caveat that if anything goes wrong during the rebuild you're probably screwed. RAID6 can protect against a 2nd failure during rebuild, but needs 2 drives for redundancy instead of 1, meaning that effectively the smallest array size for it is 4 drives.HideOut - Wednesday, September 12, 2018 - link
Raid 5 is the only smart option. Raid 0 would be a failure waiting to happen with it and if you are connected via 1GbE your network is such a bottleneck that Raid 0 is pointless at any rate. You could do Raid 1 via 2 drives and just a plain drive on the other for a similar overall capacity (assuming 3 identical drives) but that means half of your data isnt crash protected. Raid 5 is the only logical answer.Wolfclaw - Thursday, September 6, 2018 - link
Would love to see a smallish NAS box, equiped with a real processor, 10Gbe, wave 2 router, with the NAS side capable of running Windows Server or Linux, all a t a resonable price.milkod2001 - Friday, September 7, 2018 - link
I think Dell PowerEdge T30 Mini Tower Server would give you all you need.Drazick - Thursday, September 6, 2018 - link
Give us Ryzen Based NAS.With its integer performance it is perfect for NAS,
TomaBgd - Thursday, September 6, 2018 - link
There are many models of Ryzen NAS servers. But none of them are cheap...I think Qnap TS-677 is smallest model, price $1700.
Drazick - Thursday, September 6, 2018 - link
This is high end Ryzen I think.They should take something with APU cheap and replace those ATOM / Celeron.
wumpus - Wednesday, September 12, 2018 - link
Build it yourself. 2200G chips are cheap. PCIe ports are cheap. Cases are cheap. Power supplies are cheap. 3TB and 4TB drives are probably more price effective than whatever you'd want to use with the 3 port job (and of course you can use the 8-12 TB beasts if you want an array of 8+ huge drives).The only possible non-cheap parts in the whole thing are a motherboard with ECC (assuming you are going whole hog) and the 10G ethernet port.
But when you are done you have a 8-12 bay NAS. Buying from QNAP is for people who can't install FreeNAS & BSD (having a contractor build the above is probably a wash and having QNAP support swings the deal in favor of QNAP).
nikon133 - Sunday, September 9, 2018 - link
Hmm... couple of weeks ago Asustor AS4004T 4-Bay NAS has become available in NZ shops.4-bay, 10Gb over RJ45. No M.2 slots, to my knowledge.
No idea how pricing compares.