shame AMD does not do the "right thing" and unbundle wattman from the drivers and offer it as an "optional" checkbox when doing a custom install so users (such as myself) are not forced into using something there are MUCH better alternatives for (such as TRIXX or Afterburner) to control GPU voltage, fan speeds and so forth while still having the ability to control game/media settings (such as type of tessellation to use or force level of AA/AF)
the last driver that I am aware of that wattman was completely "unbundled" (but unfortunately at the loss of game/media settings was 16.8.3, all the other drivers since then that I noticed even if you do not install anything but the "base" GPU driver wattman is technically still installed anyways.
I misss the old Catalyst drivers where if you FORCED the gpu clock or voltage etc it would actually listen to your settings and maintain them instead of deciding it knew better then you did and ramped clocks up and down (and voltages) with no way to prevent this short of a BIOS/FIRMWARE mod (not exactly advised) and YOU were the one that chose to activate overclock controls, if you did not, they were never "forced" into your base driver installed package
I really wish AMD did not do this, I kind of understand wattman, but at the same time it should be OPTIONAL, just the same as vast majority of Win 10 forced BS.
really hope they get some new Radeons out soon to get the prices back to a more tolerable level, I am all in for them making improvements for the "most expensive" of Polaris and Vega, but, they are hard to come by AND far pricier then they should be (stupid e-trailers)
I very very dredge the day have to use Win 10 and deal with having to contend with wattman whether I want to be using it or not :(
And what, exactly, stops you from using something like OverDriveNTool to adjust your GPU? WattMan bundled into the Radeon software doesn't interfere with your overclocking settings at all, if you have never used WattMan. And nonetheless -- WattMan is perfectly capable of doing everything other tools can do, and even applies the settings seamlessly on boot. I have yet to encounter a feature that third party tools DO offer, which the Radeon software doesn't support.
This post is dedicated to all the retards that claim AMD is as good as Nvidia.
>Cursor or system lag may be observed on some system configurations when two or more displays are connected and one display is powered off.
This bug has been there for many, many months and it pisses me off so much. How this shitty excuse of a driver gets approved over there really baffles me. The "ATI has no drivers" 10 years old meme still stands.
what about this bug with AMDs apu/notebook products: No AMD graphics driver is installed, or the AMD driver is not functioning properly. Please install the AMD driver appropriate for your AMD hardware this bug as been around since 1.5 years ago ??? now.. started with one of the windows 10 " creator" updates.. and STILL hasnt been fixed..... cant use my notebook for more then web surfing and the odd thing here and there..
They do, but sometimes they're persistent. The bug says "Cursor or system lag may be observed on >>>SOME<<< system configurations when two or more displays are connected and one display is powered off"
Look at the Nvidia bug list. No matter which brand you're going to get bugs. You expect the HW/SW stack to work 100% of the time with multiple vendors, configurations, memory, etc?
It's on their list so they're working on it. You're calling people retards and you're demanding compensation for a bug? BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA....wow dude.
I was going to say I have never run into this problem on my AMD card which I havn't mainly because yes I have 2 displays hooked up and both are always powered on and both used which is why I hooked up 2 displays anyways was to use both of them. If I am going to watch a movie on the main screen my Kodi software turns the screen off on the second screen and puts it into sleep mode but is still has the power on and just sits there sleeping with black screen.
I can not talk for everyone but I am going to assume most people do this type of thing when running multi screen setups. The drivers work fine I am going to say the problem is more of a user error and not totally AMD's fault.
I do how ever have a huge problem with Googles YouTube and Firefox. It was found that Google does things in a way that causes some lag issues and playback issues with Firefox when doing 1080p or higher. I have found this to happen a lot and at first I was blaming AMD and their drivers but after some testing on my end I found that it does not happen in Google Chrome or MS Edge just Firefox. The makers of Firefox are aware of this and have said a fix is in the works.
NVIDIA has many bugs that have been around as well. The real key when it comes to priorities is, "How many users are impacted by the problem?", and if the answer is something like, perhaps ten people total, because most people leave their monitors on. If turning a monitor on or disconnecting unused monitors will work around the problem, then it isn't a critical or even a high or normal priority bug. It deserves to be at the bottom of the priority list.
How many driver updates has NVIDIA put out that cause BSoD problems for people, or just random crashing or problems in various games? Going back six months to find drivers that didn't cause crashing is something NVIDIA has as a major problem from time to time.
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Dragonstongue - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link
shame AMD does not do the "right thing" and unbundle wattman from the drivers and offer it as an "optional" checkbox when doing a custom install so users (such as myself) are not forced into using something there are MUCH better alternatives for (such as TRIXX or Afterburner) to control GPU voltage, fan speeds and so forth while still having the ability to control game/media settings (such as type of tessellation to use or force level of AA/AF)the last driver that I am aware of that wattman was completely "unbundled" (but unfortunately at the loss of game/media settings was 16.8.3, all the other drivers since then that I noticed even if you do not install anything but the "base" GPU driver wattman is technically still installed anyways.
I misss the old Catalyst drivers where if you FORCED the gpu clock or voltage etc it would actually listen to your settings and maintain them instead of deciding it knew better then you did and ramped clocks up and down (and voltages) with no way to prevent this short of a BIOS/FIRMWARE mod (not exactly advised) and YOU were the one that chose to activate overclock controls, if you did not, they were never "forced" into your base driver installed package
I really wish AMD did not do this, I kind of understand wattman, but at the same time it should be OPTIONAL, just the same as vast majority of Win 10 forced BS.
really hope they get some new Radeons out soon to get the prices back to a more tolerable level, I am all in for them making improvements for the "most expensive" of Polaris and Vega, but, they are hard to come by AND far pricier then they should be (stupid e-trailers)
I very very dredge the day have to use Win 10 and deal with having to contend with wattman whether I want to be using it or not :(
wanit - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link
And what, exactly, stops you from using something like OverDriveNTool to adjust your GPU? WattMan bundled into the Radeon software doesn't interfere with your overclocking settings at all, if you have never used WattMan. And nonetheless -- WattMan is perfectly capable of doing everything other tools can do, and even applies the settings seamlessly on boot. I have yet to encounter a feature that third party tools DO offer, which the Radeon software doesn't support.baka_toroi - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link
This post is dedicated to all the retards that claim AMD is as good as Nvidia.>Cursor or system lag may be observed on some system configurations when two or more displays are connected and one display is powered off.
This bug has been there for many, many months and it pisses me off so much. How this shitty excuse of a driver gets approved over there really baffles me. The "ATI has no drivers" 10 years old meme still stands.
Manch - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link
You need to get out of the anastropically filtered bitter barn and play in the hardware tessellated hay!!Bugs happen, and the one you're bitching about is really simple. Press power on the monitor. LOL
baka_toroi - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link
I know bugs happen. Bugs also need to be fixed. This one has been there for many months already.I don't want to waste electricity and uselessly wear my monitor down. AMD won't monetarily compensate me for their incompetence.
Qasar - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link
what about this bug with AMDs apu/notebook products:No AMD graphics driver is installed, or the AMD driver is not functioning properly. Please install the AMD driver appropriate for your AMD hardware
this bug as been around since 1.5 years ago ??? now.. started with one of the windows 10 " creator" updates.. and STILL hasnt been fixed..... cant use my notebook for more then web surfing and the odd thing here and there..
Manch - Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - link
They do, but sometimes they're persistent. The bug says"Cursor or system lag may be observed on >>>SOME<<< system configurations when two or more displays are connected and one display is powered off"
Look at the Nvidia bug list. No matter which brand you're going to get bugs. You expect the HW/SW stack to work 100% of the time with multiple vendors, configurations, memory, etc?
It's on their list so they're working on it. You're calling people retards and you're demanding compensation for a bug? BWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA....wow dude.
rocky12345 - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link
I was going to say I have never run into this problem on my AMD card which I havn't mainly because yes I have 2 displays hooked up and both are always powered on and both used which is why I hooked up 2 displays anyways was to use both of them. If I am going to watch a movie on the main screen my Kodi software turns the screen off on the second screen and puts it into sleep mode but is still has the power on and just sits there sleeping with black screen.I can not talk for everyone but I am going to assume most people do this type of thing when running multi screen setups. The drivers work fine I am going to say the problem is more of a user error and not totally AMD's fault.
I do how ever have a huge problem with Googles YouTube and Firefox. It was found that Google does things in a way that causes some lag issues and playback issues with Firefox when doing 1080p or higher. I have found this to happen a lot and at first I was blaming AMD and their drivers but after some testing on my end I found that it does not happen in Google Chrome or MS Edge just Firefox. The makers of Firefox are aware of this and have said a fix is in the works.
Targon - Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - link
NVIDIA has many bugs that have been around as well. The real key when it comes to priorities is, "How many users are impacted by the problem?", and if the answer is something like, perhaps ten people total, because most people leave their monitors on. If turning a monitor on or disconnecting unused monitors will work around the problem, then it isn't a critical or even a high or normal priority bug. It deserves to be at the bottom of the priority list.How many driver updates has NVIDIA put out that cause BSoD problems for people, or just random crashing or problems in various games? Going back six months to find drivers that didn't cause crashing is something NVIDIA has as a major problem from time to time.