I got a Used ASUS X399-A for $210 a couple weeks ago from the Amazon Warehouse deals. Amazon also had the 1900X and 1920X for $249.99 temporarily available the day embargos lifted for the Threadripper 2 reviews. Finally got a shipment date confirmation yesterday for 9/9! Excited to upgrade from an X58/930 workstation. :)
He bought a TR and you bought an EPYC. Diff chips, diff uses. While you're at it though, use those extra cores to math better there one upper. He paid 20.83 per core. You paid 37.50 per core. Per core he got you. He paid 3.90 per lane. You paid 9.375. He got you again. ;)
Those are so different they shouldn't be in the same box. For one that needs the server side stuff, like ECC ram vs non-ECC, price is not a discussion.
I'm in Texas, so I had to pay taxes, but it's still a great deal. Why is my RAM going to be the most expensive upgrade, though?! I bought a 32GB kit of Corsair on Newegg's eBay store during that 15% sale a couple weeks ago for $276. I remember when a 64GB Crucial kit was featured on Newegg's daily deals for $199. Nuts!
I am running LGA 2011+3930K. Has served me well for the past 7 years. The desire to upgrade is damn strong at the moment with those threadripper prices.
You won't save much in the power budget but you will certainly gain some performance. The problem I ran into with my Sandy\Ivy bridge PC last year was the IPC is just so out of date, it lacks a lot of the microarchitecture optimizations (especially for video encoding\decoding) that a surprising number of things use now. Windows 10, as an OS, also has a lot of optimizations for post-Haswell era CPU's.
It's surprising how much the OS matters on newer architectures. Intel has dropped (and kind of re-added) support for Windows 7, and obviously Microsoft stopped updating Windows 7 kernel for microarchitecture optimizations after Sandy\Ivy...I mean it doesn't even have AVX support enabled out of the box but in March Microsoft published a way to enable it.
This all affects overall response and experience. If you are running Windows 10 on your 3930K, you'd notice a huge improvement with TR in just basic tasks, that might not be as obviousif you were running Windows 7.
The TR 1920X is where it's at. The 1900 is just hard to justify over a R2700X unless you actually need the PCIe lanes...
I'm building a TR 1920X as a surveillance server at a client, to record 24 video H265 8MP video feeds. It's a little overkill because we don't need to PCIe lanes, but we do need the threads and didn't want to go dual CPU because of the NUMA penalty. The only external PCIe devices we are installing is a 10GBe card in addition to using the onboard AQC107 10GBe to another switch of 12 cameras, and an Areca SAS controller for 3x10TB Hitachi He10's to record 14 days of video. Boot drive is just a Micron SATA SSD...and all this is on Windows 10, no server OS.
And it would be "English", not "english". Sorry, I can't help it either...
But it would be sensible to look at the author's background... The web world benefits so much from the skills of those who by chance are not native speakers of English, and don't have time for an academic education in the language. They simply can't get everything right. So make allowances for that. You can lament that Anandtech can't or won't pay for a dedicated copy editor, but don't blame the writers. Especially one of Mr. Shilov's excellence, please.
Lots of sites are not actual writers anymore, its just bots who write articles for sites. I am not kidding. They even register sites on behalf of others, all those sites that are named stupid like top10reviews/printers onestopshoptop10/monitors, etc are just owned by a single person trying to get as much revenue as possible.
It is especially true for phone numbers. You think "i don't know this number i will google it". Every website that shows up in google is registered by same company to do background checks and stuff.
And a good commenter reads THEIR* comment at least one more time before posting it.
People are really making a big piss out of some occasional typos. Even despite the typos, the Anandtech articles are some of the more technical and affluent pieces written on computer hardware on the net. I'm not blowing smoke up anyone's rear, but when you got places like Tom's Hardware's editor in chief saying "Just Buy It" in regards to RTX 2000 series GPUs (https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-rtx-gpus-... before any performance to cost metrics are out or before Tom's even had a sample in to test before they post their review, then I'd rather pick my poison over a passable grammar/spelling mistake than thinly veiled shilling.
I agree 100%. I can easily read passed the typos and still understand the meaning in the context. Its annoying reading comments if people are complaining about it. Sure mention the problem so they can fix it, but complaining and just being a jerk about it is annoying.
As to the article on Tom's. I read that last week and was just plain floored. That article was a horrible piece of work and surprised me quite a bit.
I;ve been limping along on my Sandybridge CPU for 6+ yrs, waiting for DDR4 prices to come down, but with these crazy cheap Ryzen deals I'll have to finally bite.
If you don't have a set of tasks for them right now, I wouldn't worry so much about it. Core count is on the rise so it won't be long before a lot more software exists that puts those additional processor cores to use. Since you're still on Sandy right now, if you do upgrade to a TR, you'll probably feel no need to upgrade again for a number of years.
TR has identical support to EPYC, which means yes to ultra-high density ECC DIMM support up to a potential (iirc) 128GB/DIMM (1TB max for TR, 2TB for EPYC).
Everything else on the other hand in the consumer market is going to tap out at the normal 16GB/DIMM (aka 64GB max for dual-channel, 128GB for quad).
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IVIauricius - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
I got a Used ASUS X399-A for $210 a couple weeks ago from the Amazon Warehouse deals. Amazon also had the 1900X and 1920X for $249.99 temporarily available the day embargos lifted for the Threadripper 2 reviews. Finally got a shipment date confirmation yesterday for 9/9! Excited to upgrade from an X58/930 workstation. :)mapesdhs - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
That will be a very nice upgrade. 8) Did you have your 930 oc'd?IVIauricius - Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - link
I do. It is at 4GHz with a Black TRUE on it. I think I'm going to get that massive Noctua TR4 cooler for the TR build.Cooe - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
Wait a minute... You got a X399 mobo AND a 12c/24t TR 1920X for a grand-total of $460??? Dayuuuum...rahvin - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
I got him beat, I got an Epyc 7551 (32 core) for $1200 on Amazon. It was an utterly unbelievable price.Manch - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link
He bought a TR and you bought an EPYC. Diff chips, diff uses. While you're at it though, use those extra cores to math better there one upper. He paid 20.83 per core. You paid 37.50 per core. Per core he got you. He paid 3.90 per lane. You paid 9.375. He got you again. ;)UnNameless - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link
Those are so different they shouldn't be in the same box. For one that needs the server side stuff, like ECC ram vs non-ECC, price is not a discussion.valinor89 - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link
AFAIK ecc ram should be supported by all current modern AMD CPU. No need to get eppic for that unless you need staggering ammounts of ram.IVIauricius - Wednesday, August 29, 2018 - link
I'm in Texas, so I had to pay taxes, but it's still a great deal. Why is my RAM going to be the most expensive upgrade, though?! I bought a 32GB kit of Corsair on Newegg's eBay store during that 15% sale a couple weeks ago for $276. I remember when a 64GB Crucial kit was featured on Newegg's daily deals for $199. Nuts!StevoLincolnite - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
I am running LGA 2011+3930K. Has served me well for the past 7 years.The desire to upgrade is damn strong at the moment with those threadripper prices.
Samus - Thursday, August 30, 2018 - link
You won't save much in the power budget but you will certainly gain some performance. The problem I ran into with my Sandy\Ivy bridge PC last year was the IPC is just so out of date, it lacks a lot of the microarchitecture optimizations (especially for video encoding\decoding) that a surprising number of things use now. Windows 10, as an OS, also has a lot of optimizations for post-Haswell era CPU's.It's surprising how much the OS matters on newer architectures. Intel has dropped (and kind of re-added) support for Windows 7, and obviously Microsoft stopped updating Windows 7 kernel for microarchitecture optimizations after Sandy\Ivy...I mean it doesn't even have AVX support enabled out of the box but in March Microsoft published a way to enable it.
This all affects overall response and experience. If you are running Windows 10 on your 3930K, you'd notice a huge improvement with TR in just basic tasks, that might not be as obviousif you were running Windows 7.
Samus - Thursday, August 30, 2018 - link
The TR 1920X is where it's at. The 1900 is just hard to justify over a R2700X unless you actually need the PCIe lanes...I'm building a TR 1920X as a surveillance server at a client, to record 24 video H265 8MP video feeds. It's a little overkill because we don't need to PCIe lanes, but we do need the threads and didn't want to go dual CPU because of the NUMA penalty. The only external PCIe devices we are installing is a 10GBe card in addition to using the onboard AQC107 10GBe to another switch of 12 cameras, and an Areca SAS controller for 3x10TB Hitachi He10's to record 14 days of video. Boot drive is just a Micron SATA SSD...and all this is on Windows 10, no server OS.
PeachNCream - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
Minor error at the end of the article:"...how fast these stocks will last."
Maybe "...how long these stocks will last," or "...how fast these stocks will deplete."
jcc5169 - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
Correcting english grammar for writers .... I see a horrendous inability on these sites to use the english language properly ...jimjamjamie - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
Are you going to cancel your subscription?bji - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
That was a great comeback!Arbie - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
And it would be "English", not "english". Sorry, I can't help it either...But it would be sensible to look at the author's background... The web world benefits so much from the skills of those who by chance are not native speakers of English, and don't have time for an academic education in the language. They simply can't get everything right. So make allowances for that. You can lament that Anandtech can't or won't pay for a dedicated copy editor, but don't blame the writers. Especially one of Mr. Shilov's excellence, please.
Alexvrb - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
Cancel *and* demand a refund!imaheadcase - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
Lots of sites are not actual writers anymore, its just bots who write articles for sites. I am not kidding. They even register sites on behalf of others, all those sites that are named stupid like top10reviews/printers onestopshoptop10/monitors, etc are just owned by a single person trying to get as much revenue as possible.It is especially true for phone numbers. You think "i don't know this number i will google it". Every website that shows up in google is registered by same company to do background checks and stuff.
Trixanity - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
Perhaps English is not their first language...MonkeyPaw - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
Isn’t Anton from Eastern Europe? I can forgive an occasional grammatical blip if it’s not his native language.yeeeeman - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
A good writer reads its article at least one more time before posting it.JoeyJoJo123 - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
And a good commenter reads THEIR* comment at least one more time before posting it.People are really making a big piss out of some occasional typos. Even despite the typos, the Anandtech articles are some of the more technical and affluent pieces written on computer hardware on the net. I'm not blowing smoke up anyone's rear, but when you got places like Tom's Hardware's editor in chief saying "Just Buy It" in regards to RTX 2000 series GPUs (https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-rtx-gpus-... before any performance to cost metrics are out or before Tom's even had a sample in to test before they post their review, then I'd rather pick my poison over a passable grammar/spelling mistake than thinly veiled shilling.
Holliday75 - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
I agree 100%. I can easily read passed the typos and still understand the meaning in the context. Its annoying reading comments if people are complaining about it. Sure mention the problem so they can fix it, but complaining and just being a jerk about it is annoying.As to the article on Tom's. I read that last week and was just plain floored. That article was a horrible piece of work and surprised me quite a bit.
Calin - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
That would be the editor's job (as you sometime see [Ed:...] notes in articles).webdoctors - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
I;ve been limping along on my Sandybridge CPU for 6+ yrs, waiting for DDR4 prices to come down, but with these crazy cheap Ryzen deals I'll have to finally bite.What to do with all these cores?
PeachNCream - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
If you don't have a set of tasks for them right now, I wouldn't worry so much about it. Core count is on the rise so it won't be long before a lot more software exists that puts those additional processor cores to use. Since you're still on Sandy right now, if you do upgrade to a TR, you'll probably feel no need to upgrade again for a number of years.Mitch89 - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link
If you have to ask what to do with the extra cores, why are you considering upgrading?Even today, Sandy Bridge is still an excellent system for many uses.
SanX - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
What is maximum supported RAM size for TR4 and consumer processors?Cooe - Monday, August 27, 2018 - link
TR has identical support to EPYC, which means yes to ultra-high density ECC DIMM support up to a potential (iirc) 128GB/DIMM (1TB max for TR, 2TB for EPYC).Everything else on the other hand in the consumer market is going to tap out at the normal 16GB/DIMM (aka 64GB max for dual-channel, 128GB for quad).
DeanimatE - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link
those price reductions are a joke. they need to do better if they want to shift that stockBurntMyBacon - Tuesday, August 28, 2018 - link
They probably don't NEED to shift that stock to any great extent.