Thanks for information provided here. I got my Dell XPS 15 2in1 and it does not support HDR10 or 9 monitors - so I am not sure about it - but appear that Display output is not working on AMD GPU. But I still impressed with performance of the box.
One thing I am impressed with the technology of EMIB, I have a feeling that Intel is planning on using this for their own GPU's (Artic Sound) possible other GPU's coming in the future - either from AMD or even NVidia.
Yes, EMIB would be ideal to link 2 or 4 GPU dies together, which would be much cheaper than huge monolithic dies. It has a much higher bandwidth and much lower latency than Infinity Fabric.
It sounds like EMIB is suppose lower power demands - but more than one GPU - maybe too much power. I would think the bandwidth would be faster on EMIB than with intra-die transport.
Do you have any proof of "EMIB surely is more power hungry and has lower bandwidth than intra-die transport." ? that seems to contradict what is stated in this article in my opinion.
You state that they're comparing i7U+1060 versus Kaby Lake G w, Vega GL.. but the slides state 1050.
The fine print says actual Asus laptop versus Intel Reference platform, so those results are essentially meaningless anyways. We don't know the volume of the reference platform/material or how it was cooled and it's cost.
Intel says they've gone to market so quickly with this, yet they're hardly available in any shipping systems.
This is all about the GL part but wasn't there supposed to be a higher performing GH part?
This whole chip has been a disappointment.. by the time it's actually around Nvidia will have a higher performing version of the MX150 or some equivalent.
"Intel says they've gone to market so quickly with this, yet they're hardly available in any shipping systems."
It is widely available in Dell XPS 15 2in1, I have one because I wanted a faster cpu in 2in1 form factor like my Dell XPS 13 2in1 - but It would have been probably better to wait for new Dell XPS 15 with real NVidia GPU
"This whole chip has been a disappointment.. by the time it's actually around Nvidia will have a higher performing version of the MX150 or some equivalent."
As a GPU goes the Dell XPS 15 2in1 is quite fast =GPU is ok if software use the AMD card - but overall a great product - just wish it had a better GPU.
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HStewart - Monday, August 20, 2018 - link
Thanks for information provided here. I got my Dell XPS 15 2in1 and it does not support HDR10 or 9 monitors - so I am not sure about it - but appear that Display output is not working on AMD GPU. But I still impressed with performance of the box.One thing I am impressed with the technology of EMIB, I have a feeling that Intel is planning on using this for their own GPU's (Artic Sound) possible other GPU's coming in the future - either from AMD or even NVidia.
Santoval - Tuesday, August 21, 2018 - link
Yes, EMIB would be ideal to link 2 or 4 GPU dies together, which would be much cheaper than huge monolithic dies. It has a much higher bandwidth and much lower latency than Infinity Fabric.HStewart - Tuesday, August 21, 2018 - link
Also the fact that EMIB would also be so much thinning - which is good for Laptop. I would not doubt it could even be use for desktops and servers.I am thinking it would be perfect for such devices as iMac / iMac Pros and such.
I see EMIB having truly almost infinite possibilities one day
1. Discrete GPU (s) even more than one - imagine even one day once technology is there SLI on a notebook in single package
2. Multiple CPU and GPU in single package.
Of course you build multiple motherboard with multiple EMIB packages
It probably will never happen - because of other complexities in system, up upgradable systems.
Yojimbo - Tuesday, August 21, 2018 - link
I would think you would want to link large GPU dies together. EMIB surely is more power hungry and has lower bandwidth than intra-die transport.HStewart - Tuesday, August 21, 2018 - link
It sounds like EMIB is suppose lower power demands - but more than one GPU - maybe too much power. I would think the bandwidth would be faster on EMIB than with intra-die transport.Do you have any proof of "EMIB surely is more power hungry and has lower bandwidth than intra-die transport." ? that seems to contradict what is stated in this article in my opinion.
watersb - Tuesday, August 21, 2018 - link
Thanks for the Hot Chips coverage! Sleep is good too. :-)TETRONG - Tuesday, August 21, 2018 - link
You state that they're comparing i7U+1060 versus Kaby Lake G w, Vega GL.. but the slides state 1050.The fine print says actual Asus laptop versus Intel Reference platform, so those results are essentially meaningless anyways. We don't know the volume of the reference platform/material or how it was cooled and it's cost.
Intel says they've gone to market so quickly with this, yet they're hardly available in any shipping systems.
This is all about the GL part but wasn't there supposed to be a higher performing GH part?
This whole chip has been a disappointment.. by the time it's actually around Nvidia will have a higher performing version of the MX150 or some equivalent.
HStewart - Tuesday, August 21, 2018 - link
"Intel says they've gone to market so quickly with this, yet they're hardly available in any shipping systems."It is widely available in Dell XPS 15 2in1, I have one because I wanted a faster cpu in 2in1 form factor like my Dell XPS 13 2in1 - but It would have been probably better to wait for new Dell XPS 15 with real NVidia GPU
"This whole chip has been a disappointment.. by the time it's actually around Nvidia will have a higher performing version of the MX150 or some equivalent."
As a GPU goes the Dell XPS 15 2in1 is quite fast =GPU is ok if software use the AMD card - but overall a great product - just wish it had a better GPU.