I think it's more that 1800R is the tightest curvature that panel makers can do today. Ideally R700-1200 would cover the range of typical sitting distances used by PC users.
Resolution's lowish, but you'd have to sacrifice quality settings heavily to get >150hz on a 144p ultrawide. This's the widescreen equivalent of the 1080p240hz panel, slightly lower max due to bandwidth limits (and possibly due to VA panel tech) while we wait for panel controller manufacturers to get DP1.3/1.4/HDMI2.1 support to production. OTOH they should hopefully have better image quality. A recent thread over on HardOCP had multiple people saying that the 1080p240hz TN displays all had significantly worse image quality than normal for a TN panel.
Nice, but I only need 16:9, 35-37" and 144hz. I'm currently using a 55" screen as a monitor and it's about as ridiculous as it sounds, but going back to a 24" screen is not something I could ever do now.
Yep I also game and do my every day Windows tasks on a 60" Samsung TV. I personally like it since I can sit across the room from it on the comfort of my couch and just blast away. When I first hooked this up to my game system I was worried about latency lag or whatever it's called. I tried the game mode but that was pretty bad it was not a great picture for doing anything except games.
I found out that when I set the TV HDMI input to PC mode at least on Samsung's & maybe LG's that the TV turned off a lot of the features that cause lag but it still looked way better than game mode. I did tweaks to the picture and found that it not only did not have any impute lag any more but was great for both games and movie watching & things like text are very very clear unlike when I first set it up because at first they were a bit blurry.
Same. The only thing we don't get with these TVs is faster refresh rates and variable refresh. I'm so proud of my 43" LG, it doesn't cost much but the value is through the roof vs monitors. HDR is decent. If I have to nitpick, it is viewing content with white backgrounds. It is just too bright. I had to mess with browser extensions.
The Acer Z35 is also a 35" 2560X1080 MVA display, but with G-Sync instead of FreeSync. It also supports 200Hz and has been around for a few years. This new display does not really bring anything new and exciting to the table.
You want the Acer Z35P. Its 3440x1440, gsync, and does 120Hz which is plenty for every game out for that size. I personally love it. I use it for FPS and its great.
>Or they're using a MUCH LOWER QUALITY PANEL and you get what you pay for.
I'm not sure you know how the monitor manufacturing business works. In most cases, there isn't such a thing as a "much lower quality panel", there's literally just a handful of panel manufacturers. And in most cases for high refresh rate panels, AUO (AU Optronics), is the only player on the market.
It's possible the 1800R curvature is either a new model panel, or that the product's specs are wrong on the manufacturer's page, or something, but even so you'd see that all the 35" panels (especially ones touting "AMVA" technology, which is AU Optronic's particular flavor of VA style LCD displays) are being manufactured by AUO, which is also the same manufacturer of the panels used in the $2K GSync 4k 144hz monitors on the market.
Here's the thing, the panels being used here aren't any lower quality, they're made by the same panel manufacturer. This means one of two things:
a) AUO has dramatically increased yields and production capacity of this particular panel and JapanNext can buy these at a lower cost than ever before and JapanNext is passing those savings onto the customer. (Unlikely)
b) AUO is selling B-stock (panels which may not meet stricter standards of more well known monitor sellers, this is what the "cheap korean monitor" market is founded on) panels to JapanNext, JapanNext weeds out the few nonfunctional or bad monitors from the pallets of panel B-stock that wasn't sold to bigger brands, and after QAing the B-stock, the monitors they sell end up being defect free anyways, like the vast majority of Korean monitors. (Extremely likely)
c) JapanNext is trying to be a loss leader for this very specific monitor so that they gain marketshare or user recognition. (Unlikely)
Chances are that the monitors here aren't any better or worse than big name brands. They're likely just buying up remaining panels not being bought by bigger brands as bulk b-stock at much lower prices and they're able to integrate these into monitors and sell them for a lower price as a result.
Binning is what I mean by lower quality, and panel makers bin them into a lot more than just the 2 bins your b stock comment refers to. IIRC typically 5-10 bases on dead/stuck pixels, backlight bleed/consistency issues, etc. The absolute top tier probably doesn't exist for these panels since that normally goes to NEC and Ezio for profesional grade monitors at 50-150% above normal consumer prices. The spread in mainstream tiers is why within a more broadly based product class the premium tiers generally have better quality screens not just more adjustable stands.
Normally the bottom tiers go to digital display companies because no one can notice dead pixels or uneven backlights on a screen installed 10 feet above their head at the local fast food place. The cheap Korean monitors were basically just skimming off and rebadging some of those and sticking a basic consumer stand on the back instead of a bare vesa mount to get screwed into the wall. Curved panels aren't really useful for that, so I suspect the QC rejects that would normally go to your local burgermart are even cheaper than normal. Until people start testing retail samples I'd be concerned about quality if that's the case because there's nowhere other than budget gaming displays to dump the worst of the worst short of a landfill.
"the panels being used here aren't any lower quality, they're made by the same panel manufacturer. This means one of two things:"
Other ways they could be cutting costs include not calibrating the panels, and/or skimping on connectors and other niceties for the enclosure. Oh, and less of a warranty.
B-grade panels are the most likely explanation, I agree.
Nice to see more ultrawide options appear, but I'm never going near anything with 1080 vertical pixels unless it's a <=15" laptop. Make it 1440p @ 100-144hz, please.
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Glaurung - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link
Is it glossy? Because a glossy curved display is going to be murder for glare issues.psychobriggsy - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link
35" 1080p?Does the curvature fit for someone sitting 6 feet away?
DanNeely - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link
I think it's more that 1800R is the tightest curvature that panel makers can do today. Ideally R700-1200 would cover the range of typical sitting distances used by PC users.Resolution's lowish, but you'd have to sacrifice quality settings heavily to get >150hz on a 144p ultrawide. This's the widescreen equivalent of the 1080p240hz panel, slightly lower max due to bandwidth limits (and possibly due to VA panel tech) while we wait for panel controller manufacturers to get DP1.3/1.4/HDMI2.1 support to production. OTOH they should hopefully have better image quality. A recent thread over on HardOCP had multiple people saying that the 1080p240hz TN displays all had significantly worse image quality than normal for a TN panel.
flyingpants1 - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link
Nice, but I only need 16:9, 35-37" and 144hz. I'm currently using a 55" screen as a monitor and it's about as ridiculous as it sounds, but going back to a 24" screen is not something I could ever do now.rocky12345 - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link
Yep I also game and do my every day Windows tasks on a 60" Samsung TV. I personally like it since I can sit across the room from it on the comfort of my couch and just blast away. When I first hooked this up to my game system I was worried about latency lag or whatever it's called. I tried the game mode but that was pretty bad it was not a great picture for doing anything except games.I found out that when I set the TV HDMI input to PC mode at least on Samsung's & maybe LG's that the TV turned off a lot of the features that cause lag but it still looked way better than game mode. I did tweaks to the picture and found that it not only did not have any impute lag any more but was great for both games and movie watching & things like text are very very clear unlike when I first set it up because at first they were a bit blurry.
zodiacfml - Wednesday, August 8, 2018 - link
Same. The only thing we don't get with these TVs is faster refresh rates and variable refresh.I'm so proud of my 43" LG, it doesn't cost much but the value is through the roof vs monitors. HDR is decent.
If I have to nitpick, it is viewing content with white backgrounds. It is just too bright. I had to mess with browser extensions.
Koenig168 - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link
The Acer Z35 is also a 35" 2560X1080 MVA display, but with G-Sync instead of FreeSync. It also supports 200Hz and has been around for a few years. This new display does not really bring anything new and exciting to the table.imaheadcase - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link
You want the Acer Z35P. Its 3440x1440, gsync, and does 120Hz which is plenty for every game out for that size. I personally love it. I use it for FPS and its great.rocky12345 - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link
I think if I was going to switch my displays something like this would be a nice add in for my system then again I was thinking more like 43".damianrobertjones - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link
"it is more than 30% cheaper than its immediate rival."Which means that they're STILL making a massive profit. One day we'll learn.
DanNeely - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link
Or they're using a much lower quality panel and you get what you pay for.JoeyJoJo123 - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link
>Or they're using a MUCH LOWER QUALITY PANEL and you get what you pay for.I'm not sure you know how the monitor manufacturing business works. In most cases, there isn't such a thing as a "much lower quality panel", there's literally just a handful of panel manufacturers. And in most cases for high refresh rate panels, AUO (AU Optronics), is the only player on the market.
According to TFT Central:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/articles/monitor_panel...
AUO AMVA M350DVR01.2 2560x1080 2000:1 300 172/178 16.7m sRGB W-LED 200Hz 21:9 2000R
It's possible the 1800R curvature is either a new model panel, or that the product's specs are wrong on the manufacturer's page, or something, but even so you'd see that all the 35" panels (especially ones touting "AMVA" technology, which is AU Optronic's particular flavor of VA style LCD displays) are being manufactured by AUO, which is also the same manufacturer of the panels used in the $2K GSync 4k 144hz monitors on the market.
Here's the thing, the panels being used here aren't any lower quality, they're made by the same panel manufacturer. This means one of two things:
a) AUO has dramatically increased yields and production capacity of this particular panel and JapanNext can buy these at a lower cost than ever before and JapanNext is passing those savings onto the customer. (Unlikely)
b) AUO is selling B-stock (panels which may not meet stricter standards of more well known monitor sellers, this is what the "cheap korean monitor" market is founded on) panels to JapanNext, JapanNext weeds out the few nonfunctional or bad monitors from the pallets of panel B-stock that wasn't sold to bigger brands, and after QAing the B-stock, the monitors they sell end up being defect free anyways, like the vast majority of Korean monitors. (Extremely likely)
c) JapanNext is trying to be a loss leader for this very specific monitor so that they gain marketshare or user recognition. (Unlikely)
Chances are that the monitors here aren't any better or worse than big name brands. They're likely just buying up remaining panels not being bought by bigger brands as bulk b-stock at much lower prices and they're able to integrate these into monitors and sell them for a lower price as a result.
DanNeely - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link
Binning is what I mean by lower quality, and panel makers bin them into a lot more than just the 2 bins your b stock comment refers to. IIRC typically 5-10 bases on dead/stuck pixels, backlight bleed/consistency issues, etc. The absolute top tier probably doesn't exist for these panels since that normally goes to NEC and Ezio for profesional grade monitors at 50-150% above normal consumer prices. The spread in mainstream tiers is why within a more broadly based product class the premium tiers generally have better quality screens not just more adjustable stands.Normally the bottom tiers go to digital display companies because no one can notice dead pixels or uneven backlights on a screen installed 10 feet above their head at the local fast food place. The cheap Korean monitors were basically just skimming off and rebadging some of those and sticking a basic consumer stand on the back instead of a bare vesa mount to get screwed into the wall. Curved panels aren't really useful for that, so I suspect the QC rejects that would normally go to your local burgermart are even cheaper than normal. Until people start testing retail samples I'd be concerned about quality if that's the case because there's nowhere other than budget gaming displays to dump the worst of the worst short of a landfill.
Glaurung - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link
"the panels being used here aren't any lower quality, they're made by the same panel manufacturer. This means one of two things:"Other ways they could be cutting costs include not calibrating the panels, and/or skimping on connectors and other niceties for the enclosure. Oh, and less of a warranty.
B-grade panels are the most likely explanation, I agree.
Valantar - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link
Nice to see more ultrawide options appear, but I'm never going near anything with 1080 vertical pixels unless it's a <=15" laptop. Make it 1440p @ 100-144hz, please.Beaver M. - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link
1080 vertical pixels on a 35" monitor is eye cancer...mobutu - Tuesday, August 7, 2018 - link
This should have been AT LEAST 2560x1440piroroadkill - Wednesday, August 8, 2018 - link
That would give rectangular pixels. An odd choice for a computer monitor.Dug - Thursday, August 9, 2018 - link
I think he's referring to aspect ratio and vertical size. 2560 x 1440 is very popular for a computer monitor.nimi - Wednesday, August 8, 2018 - link
"Aimed at gamers".Proceeds to include in their press shots a screenshot of Photoshop and Excel open.
timecop1818 - Wednesday, August 8, 2018 - link
Stopped reading at 1080p. What a joke. The only people who would probably buy this are weebs who drool at anything with "Japan" in name.