I got a feeling that since we haven't seen X499 board -this means that AMD decided to Add 8ch memory for the top line X499 for it's 32C 2990X , Mark my words!
8-channel for consumers (even professional workstation users who can use 32 cores) makes absolutely zero sense - workloads that can make use of that are pretty much server-exclusive (unless they're launching TR3 with integrated graphics :p). That would also likely make the board incompatible with previous TR chips given the differences in required pinouts. Not to mention the need for 10+ layer motherboards to route all those memory traces, ages of QC to verify signal integrity, and subsequent astronomical prices for a feature that <0.00001% of users would have any use for.
"feature that <0.00001% of users would have any use for." It did't stoped Intel Shaw of 5GHZ 28 core CPU ... but this feature will take the HEDT from Intel since the user know they will get TR3 with 48~64 core Drop-In next year.
Depends on the fan, a 3000rpm noctua industrial fan only draws .3 amps and motherboard headers are usually 1-1.5 amp maximum. Then there's the delta fans that draw as much power as a cpu when running at full speed.
A typical modern PWM fan header can run ~2-3 typical chassis fans without needing additional power. Obviously it depends on a number of factors but that's a good ballpark. With 10 fan headers you probably won't need to run more than one fan per header, and you'll have the headroom to run fairly powerful fans (by PC standards).
If for some reason you need more than 10 fans, a GOOD PWM fan controller can control the speed of multiple fans off one PWM signal, while drawing power from the PSU directly. It will, however, only be able to report the speed of one of those fans... a limitation of our current PWM implementation.
What I'd like to see is an even smarter PWM fan controller that reports the speed of a particular fan (specific header), but reports 0 if ANY of the connected fans dies. That would eliminate my main complaint with using PWM controllers.
The Threadripper needs >200W, each PCIe Connector has to deliver at least 25W, I see 5 here, and one of them has to be able to supply a GPU with 75W, makes a total of 150W. One high power fan consumes 5W, so in total with 10 fans you have to supply additional 50W. I think that's easily doable. If such a fan fails, all it does is to kill the MOSFET.
IMHO, one thing is missing... Ryzen Pro, Xeon, EPYC, vPro chipset - all of them have some sort of remote management, but with Threadripper boards - not a single IPMI/DASH solution. I'm quite amazed that neither the boards makers or AMD thought about it.
Shouldn't you need say 2nd gen Threadripper or Threadripper 2nd gen instesd of Treadripper 2 casuse you call 8th gen Core processor 8th gen Core. But by this analogy you guys need call 8th gen core Core 8 i3/i5/i7 8xxxx.
"In order to fit sixteen, MSI has had to push the socket and memory down, forcing the manufacturer to choose to either lose one of the PCIe slots, or extend the board vertically (they seem to have done the latter)."
On the contrary, it looks as though they dropped one of the PCIe slots.
Well, they've got 4 full length slots and 5th 1x slot. Seems fine. The previous model had 6 total slots with two 1x slots. This board also is wider by a good bit too, so if you're comparing to the last model, then sure you're right that they got rid of one slot, but they also made it wider.
This is one absurd mobo. Kudos to MSI for making such an incredible board. It also looks pretty neat too and could make a custom-designed build interesting. Not sure why, but the detailing on the sinks reminds me of the Iron Throne...
Yeah, it looks like it was designed for 13 years old gamers in mind. Not sure why. Maybe they are recycling some parts from gaming boards or something but it sure looks way too flashy, cheap over the top asian designs.
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BigMama - Monday, July 2, 2018 - link
I got a feeling that since we haven't seen X499 board -this means that AMD decided to Add 8ch memory for the top line X499 for it's 32C 2990X , Mark my words!shabby - Monday, July 2, 2018 - link
Pipe dream, that's reserved for epyc including the 128 pcie lanes.Valantar - Tuesday, July 3, 2018 - link
8-channel for consumers (even professional workstation users who can use 32 cores) makes absolutely zero sense - workloads that can make use of that are pretty much server-exclusive (unless they're launching TR3 with integrated graphics :p). That would also likely make the board incompatible with previous TR chips given the differences in required pinouts. Not to mention the need for 10+ layer motherboards to route all those memory traces, ages of QC to verify signal integrity, and subsequent astronomical prices for a feature that <0.00001% of users would have any use for.I don't see that happening.
BigMama - Wednesday, July 4, 2018 - link
Look - EPYC ATX MB is same price as X399 MB's:https://www.amazon.com/Supermicro-MBD-H11SSL-I-B-E...
"feature that <0.00001% of users would have any use for."
It did't stoped Intel Shaw of 5GHZ 28 core CPU ...
but this feature will take the HEDT from Intel since the user know they will get TR3 with 48~64 core Drop-In next year.
tamalero - Saturday, July 7, 2018 - link
You forgot the price difference in processors.The 5Ghz gimmick was just an attention getter.. a very bad one. As everything about the test was cooked with very specified stuff to make it run.
prophet001 - Monday, July 2, 2018 - link
Is it a good idea to run 10 fans off of your motherboard's power delivery system?Heck running two fans has me sketched about the possibility of one of them failing and wiping the board out.
smilingcrow - Monday, July 2, 2018 - link
I've never heard of such a thing happening so is it common?12345 - Monday, July 2, 2018 - link
Depends on the fan, a 3000rpm noctua industrial fan only draws .3 amps and motherboard headers are usually 1-1.5 amp maximum. Then there's the delta fans that draw as much power as a cpu when running at full speed.Alexvrb - Monday, July 2, 2018 - link
A typical modern PWM fan header can run ~2-3 typical chassis fans without needing additional power. Obviously it depends on a number of factors but that's a good ballpark. With 10 fan headers you probably won't need to run more than one fan per header, and you'll have the headroom to run fairly powerful fans (by PC standards).If for some reason you need more than 10 fans, a GOOD PWM fan controller can control the speed of multiple fans off one PWM signal, while drawing power from the PSU directly. It will, however, only be able to report the speed of one of those fans... a limitation of our current PWM implementation.
What I'd like to see is an even smarter PWM fan controller that reports the speed of a particular fan (specific header), but reports 0 if ANY of the connected fans dies. That would eliminate my main complaint with using PWM controllers.
UpSpin - Sunday, July 8, 2018 - link
The Threadripper needs >200W, each PCIe Connector has to deliver at least 25W, I see 5 here, and one of them has to be able to supply a GPU with 75W, makes a total of 150W. One high power fan consumes 5W, so in total with 10 fans you have to supply additional 50W. I think that's easily doable. If such a fan fails, all it does is to kill the MOSFET.hetzbh - Monday, July 2, 2018 - link
IMHO, one thing is missing...Ryzen Pro, Xeon, EPYC, vPro chipset - all of them have some sort of remote management, but with Threadripper boards - not a single IPMI/DASH solution. I'm quite amazed that neither the boards makers or AMD thought about it.
oRAirwolf - Wednesday, July 4, 2018 - link
I agree. Ipmi needs to become a thing in the consumer space.Geranium - Monday, July 2, 2018 - link
Shouldn't you need say 2nd gen Threadripper or Threadripper 2nd gen instesd of Treadripper 2 casuse you call 8th gen Core processor 8th gen Core. But by this analogy you guys need call 8th gen core Core 8 i3/i5/i7 8xxxx.jcc5169 - Monday, July 2, 2018 - link
There are lots of things missing as they have no board and no cpu for testing as of yet ....Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer - Monday, July 2, 2018 - link
"In order to fit sixteen, MSI has had to push the socket and memory down, forcing the manufacturer to choose to either lose one of the PCIe slots, or extend the board vertically (they seem to have done the latter)."On the contrary, it looks as though they dropped one of the PCIe slots.
gradoman - Monday, July 2, 2018 - link
Well, they've got 4 full length slots and 5th 1x slot. Seems fine. The previous model had 6 total slots with two 1x slots. This board also is wider by a good bit too, so if you're comparing to the last model, then sure you're right that they got rid of one slot, but they also made it wider.LordSojar - Monday, July 2, 2018 - link
This is one absurd mobo. Kudos to MSI for making such an incredible board. It also looks pretty neat too and could make a custom-designed build interesting. Not sure why, but the detailing on the sinks reminds me of the Iron Throne...Oxford Guy - Tuesday, July 3, 2018 - link
I think it's ugly. I guess if you want your computer to look like it's from the Transformers cartoon...milkod2001 - Monday, July 9, 2018 - link
Yeah, it looks like it was designed for 13 years old gamers in mind. Not sure why. Maybe they are recycling some parts from gaming boards or something but it sure looks way too flashy, cheap over the top asian designs.