We literally had 10 minutes for this before jumping in a taxi to AMD's press conference. Such is our luck! More information as we get time to process, of course. :)
HEDT isn't overclocking oriented in the first place, it's for professionals.
Do you honestly think pro's want to risk their $7,000 rig and their work for extra FPS in games they don't play?
I don't think so. Do you also realize how much it would cost to purchase a 29 phase motherboard + custom loop + water chiller? This demonstration wasn't meant to be practical, it's meant to show off.
If you think that everyone is going to be able to do what Intel did above, you are gravely mistaken.
Very well then, go ahead and break all the records you want with it. Threadripper is for work. And I'd also like to remind you that binned 1950X can do about 3800 in Cinebench. Do the math and guess what the 32 core will do with higher clocks and better binning.
I don't think you are saving money over a xeon on this processor either.
"i see lots of people in overclocking circles overclocking hard on the HEDT platform"
That sentence kind of answers itself no? Professionals and regular people are not extreme overclockers, who are a niche.
I think you may be out of the loop a bit, many games benefit from overclocking in increased FPS. The higher your FPS the lower your input lag. Even if you don't have a high refresh rate monitor it still makes sense to overclock.
Exactly, a PR failure. Intel is desperate, their 10nm process is broken, all they could release on 10nm so far is an i3 with iGPU disabled and still slower than the previous i3 U in 14++. And they onlu released it to say they are on 10nm now when they really are not.
I find that extremely ironic, considering the janky motherboard and the even jankier cooling setup (if this was a real life setup then it would be laughed out of town). Nothing about this indicates that it's real - it was mostly for show, and to take some thunder away from AMD's own announcement.
The actual product won't overclock nearly as well on a standard water-cooling setup and the availability of boards will be virtually nil (it will be a niche product in a niche market). They might get a grand total of five customers, if they're lucky.
"unlike the poor overclocker and broken promise that is Budgetripper."
As evernessince said, a professional won't overclock anyway, because they want reliability and stability.
But also, if Threadripper doesn't overclock, it means that AMD is giving you its (near-)maximum clock speeds as stock! Isn't that a good thing? Right out of the box, it runs almost as fast as it possibly can, and it's covered under warranty! Isn't that a good thing?
I mean, AMD could make the ultimate overclocker if they just set every Ryzen to 1 MHz. Then people could overclock it from 1 MHz to 4 GHz for a 400,000% overclock. Is that what you want? Would you rather 4 GHz out of the box that's covered by warranty, or would you rather a 4 GHz overclock that breaks warranty but gets the exact same performance anyway?
a guy shared similar to this on [H] a few months ago, this is NOT for gaming, it is 100% for Pro use, i.e nuclear simulation etc, boat load of core, boat load of memory, boat load of money to buy it, and boat load of a design team to program the workload for it to run properly.
there is absolutely nothing "small" about these top of the range systems.
as for the folks below saying "this is a proper HEDT Threadripper does not compare"
hmmmmmmm......regular car, high end sports car, indycar, formula 1, top fuel, all of these have a very specific buyer just the same as for example.
Nv with their "normal" desktop GPU, then they did their Titan cards, then they have their all out pro level cards, TR can game but it was "made for" content creation not gaming on, most games and a desktop environment simply cannot use a crap ton of cores, content creation on the other hand where you might have 5+ high end programs running all at once (video editing, music managing etc) on the other hand can use them.
would be like a kid who just got their license getting mommy and daddy to buy them a 10,000 hp top fuel racer just to "show off" just because folks do this, that is not the companies who make them at fault.
TR is a beast, just like what Titan is (though I hate Nv with a passion) there is a tool for every job, then of course there are many tools who do not know what to use them for LOL.
The interesting thing is the extra power inputs. Are those PCI-E graphics power ports? If so thats 600W on top of what the ATX spec can supply. Hungry CPU? me thinks so
This is no rival to threadripper...it's a ridiculous fantasy product, almost a custom boutique product that is in another stratosphere to the price range and set up we will see from threadripper. No professional is going to buy one of these and risk overclocking it to 5ghz, it will be used at default speeds...meaning it will have comparable performance to 32 core threadripper in most workloads..at a much much higher price probably.
Only a lonely millionaire is going to buy this for a gaming setup...0.001% of the market. Desperate move from intel who almost look in trouble atm.
Intel traditionally charges more for HEDT than server on a core count basis as HEDT tends to offer higher clocks. So if this has higher clocks and is unlocked, they likely charge more than for the 28 cores Xeon. No 2P on this one but maybe that's not enough of a factor. Won't be cheaper than 10k, unless they adjust server prices down and could go as high as 20k - flagship pricing. This SKU is not about sales, it's more about image so w/e. Funny that they didn't had a proper mobo for it, shows this was a late addition.
You can see the impact of the giant socket and VRM bank in that the first available spot for a PCIe slot is equivalent to the 4th expansion slot in an ATX board.
Unless someone can come up with a more compact board layout these are going to require a new board/case form factor to support more than 2 dual slot GPUs.
Given the cooling setup and the timing of the demo, it seems like this was a desperate attempt to divert attention away from TR2.
As noted in the article, it's likely just an existing Xeon chip repurposed for this job, and the complete system will retail for a high enough price to ensure volume is insignificant.
The point of course is to make it seem like AMD isn't getting ahead. But if they can't get their 10nm to volume production soon, these marketing tricks may be all they will have for a while.
How does it compare with stock cooling. This doesn't really make sense for Intel to be showing like consumers can get this kind of performance out of their Newegg cart.
Haha, it doesn't compare to stock cooling. We're talking sub ambient temperatures with over a kilowatt draw just for the water chiller, and most likely over a kilowatt for the CPU alone, with an enormous board with a custom VRM section. This is just Intel masturbating.
After looking into this .. it looked like Intel scrambled to put something together rather than have something readily available. A closer look reveals it uses the same socket set as the 8176 and 8180 Intel Xeon Platinum Socket LGA 3647 at 28 Cores and 56 Threads. Overclocked it's basically a Xeon overlclosed to 5Ghz and rigged with an extreme cooling solution to keep from frying the chip. Considering this socket type and CPU this will be a very niche market for people that want to spend $7,000 to $10,000 on a server CPU versus maybe $1600 to $1700 for the new Threadripper 2? I also found it to be too sketchy that Intel wouldn't show the physical processor where AMD gladly flashed it's product. Does Intel really have a next generation processor to compete with AMD or is this a smoke screen to buy time for Q3?
so it was just a scam basically. no one will get a 5ghz 28 core System - Maybe 4ghz and even then it will probably draw way more power than a 32core threadripper.
this time around it looks like amd has the cpu that clocks higher out of the gate, has more cores and draws less power (if epyc is anything to judge by, which it should be since the new threadrippers are basically epyc in layout sans server features and with additional ryzen+ refinements). a realistic chance for amd to be faster, cooler and cheaper … intel is in some serious trouble.
looking forward for an in depth review in a few months.
About per-core prices. ARM core costs $3, Intel core -- $300. Do anyone has any insights why not factor of 20%, or maximum factor of 2 but factor of whopping 100?
As impressive as the overall performance of this special one-off 28 core monster was, Intel didn't do themselves any favors here. Yes, showing you can do it is nice and feeds us speedfreaks out there, but this rig looked like it was thrown together overnight, and the special sub-zero C cooling solution basically tells us that there is no way this > $ 8,000 chip could go that fast in everyday use. It does smack a bit of desperation, and is a turn-off for those users who might actually need a system designed around a 28 core high performance chip and have to budget to afford one. They would have been better off showing that chip in a professional workstation setup using a liquid cooling setup one can actually buy and rely on, even it is would have "only" hit 4 Ghz for all cores in turbo mode. As it stands, they looked scared, and made AMD look good.
For those who clamor for an AMD response to this spectacle, maybe that company can put on an even less useful demonstration and show off a 32 core TR2 delidded and on liquid nitrogen going even faster.
Forgot to add: What would have been a much smarter, but less showy demonstration of the processing power of Intel's 28 core pride-and-joy would have been a demonstration of it running some benchmarks that are known to be able to utilize AVX-512 extensions. Programs that can utilize this Intel-only technology run so much faster on AVX-512 capable systems that it's really no contest even when the other chip has a lot more cores. So, Intel, if you can you show us a setup (without the industrial strength milk cooler, please) of your baby running AVX-512 heavy benchmarks at sustained 2.8 - 3 Ghz on all 28 cores, I would be impressed, just like some of your potential customers.
About the price: If you compare i9 Skylake-X SKUs to their Xeon brethren, you'll see that the consumer parts are about 40% cheaper. So I would guess this 28 core CPU's MSRP to be about $6000, if Intel keeps their price strategy. In AMD's case, they simply scaled Threadripper prices last time (at least when all CCXs where active): top binned 8-core 1800x was $500, 16 core 1950x cost $1000. Therefore I assume AMD's 32 core Threadripper is comming in at $2000.
Lol at the cooler they used, is outside of any practical use for 99.9% of the users. They were just scared of Threadripper 32 cores and just kidnapped a crazy expensive Xeon, put it on a crazy over the top motherboard and overclocked it using a water chiller that cools below 0, then called it a day. They have also no way to sell this in this current configuration so this is just for show.
You guys are not real journalists, Intel must be paying you to be fanboys all the time. This demonstration was a sham, reportedly using a XEON 8176 (old tech) ... certainly shows Intel's desperation.
So, I'm going to go on a limb here, but last I checked, a water chiller can't cool anything below about 2 degrees C. I'm really impressed when an article with a "better assessment" start pulling random numbers out of their butts, just to make it sound like they know what they're talking about. I also really liked how they "knew" it wasn't a new chip because it used the LGA3647 socket. Of course, the TR2 is a "new" chip, but that's an "old" socket now, but different companies, different standards.
I'm not endorsing Intel's stunt here, but the AMD fanbois are out in FORCE about this. I was really impressed by AMD's run of their 32 core TR2 on Blender against...nothing? Seriously, not even against they 24 core version? Had Intel done that, well, everyone would be screaming right now.
As someone else has said, "Begun, the Core Wars have." Personally, for 99% of the people out there, 8 cores are overkill. Yeah, there's some content use I can find you useage for 16 cores, but outside of rendering software, even most of that won't actually use more than 8, if it will use that many. Sure, you can put forth a use case for multitasking heavy CPU usage software, but personally, if I start rendering a video that's going to take more than a couple of minutes (like long enough for me to be concerned about how much HP my CPU has), then that type of job is going on a seperate computer, but because there's nothing like having a 50 min (or 50 hour) render crash at 98% done because the web browser/word processor/solitaire game crashed the whole system.
TR2 and the Intel HCC chips are nice and all, but both simply prove that neither company can really make any great improvements anymore on individual cores. (I mean, if AMD could actually improve their IPC/process/speed as much as their fanbois claimed, they wouldn't NEED to add two more die to make a TR2, now would they? And Intel wouldn't NEED to pull of stunts like this with what's clearly a cherry picked, and admit it, you all wish you had one, possibly new Xeon chip, and ramped that thing up, still on water, but really pushing even what water can do. But still water.)
it's funny you are not including the huge R&D costs while calculating the production costs. also intel has to scoop money from these sales only to invest into developing next gen fabs.
0xbada555 You think ARM processors development and factories cost 100 less to have 1-2 orders of magnitude less production cost per core? Compare latest 4B transistors prices for ARM and Intel processors and you will find the same story.
Chirigulis Eady. Almost all are literally salivating on the 10k+ prices. Even Anand and Ian are essentially salespeople too, both never discussed production cost of anything which is total tabu for two decades here.
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Ian Cutress - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
We literally had 10 minutes for this before jumping in a taxi to AMD's press conference. Such is our luck! More information as we get time to process, of course. :)CajunArson - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
The 32 core Threadripper better be hitting 5 GHz.AMD can borrow Intel's cooling setup.
babadivad - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
If they were aware of Intel's chicanery, they likely would have.MrSpadge - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
Intel should call this the "Budget Ripper"![email protected] - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Is the AMD conference going to have a live feed, pretty please?[email protected] - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Thanks!Ian Cutress - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Live Blog is a gohttps://www.anandtech.com/show/12909/amd-computex-...
realistz - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Basically this is a real HEDT platform that is actually an "overclockers dream", unlike the poor overclocker and broken promise that is Budgetripper.evernessince - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
HEDT isn't overclocking oriented in the first place, it's for professionals.Do you honestly think pro's want to risk their $7,000 rig and their work for extra FPS in games they don't play?
I don't think so. Do you also realize how much it would cost to purchase a 29 phase motherboard + custom loop + water chiller? This demonstration wasn't meant to be practical, it's meant to show off.
If you think that everyone is going to be able to do what Intel did above, you are gravely mistaken.
f0d - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
i think professionals would be using xeons not this - its not worth risking your job to save a few bucks and miss out on the xeons advantagesi see lots of people in overclocking circles overclocking hard on the HEDT platform, its how we get the graphics and cpu records
does anyone overclock for games? i dont think it makes a difference does it? (unless you have some 5+ year old POS i guess)
Ket_MANIAC - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
Very well then, go ahead and break all the records you want with it. Threadripper is for work. And I'd also like to remind you that binned 1950X can do about 3800 in Cinebench. Do the math and guess what the 32 core will do with higher clocks and better binning.evernessince - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
I don't think you are saving money over a xeon on this processor either."i see lots of people in overclocking circles overclocking hard on the HEDT platform"
That sentence kind of answers itself no? Professionals and regular people are not extreme overclockers, who are a niche.
I think you may be out of the loop a bit, many games benefit from overclocking in increased FPS. The higher your FPS the lower your input lag. Even if you don't have a high refresh rate monitor it still makes sense to overclock.
f0d - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
i dont see many non HEDT platforms here......https://www.3dmark.com/hall-of-fame-2/timespy+cpu+...
Tkan215215 - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
Intel PR job fail they simply have nothing to talk about.mpbello - Thursday, June 7, 2018 - link
Exactly, a PR failure. Intel is desperate, their 10nm process is broken, all they could release on 10nm so far is an i3 with iGPU disabled and still slower than the previous i3 U in 14++. And they onlu released it to say they are on 10nm now when they really are not.Alexvrb - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Too bad this isn't a real platform. Not in the consumer universe, if at all.Spunjji - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
Hahahaha, "Budgetripper", good one. /sCrap troll is crap. There's nothing "real" about a platform no-one can afford.
Chaitanya - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
Where is a flag button to kick trolls out when you need it.Ket_MANIAC - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
I really wish Anandtech would start doing it.Demigod79 - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
I find that extremely ironic, considering the janky motherboard and the even jankier cooling setup (if this was a real life setup then it would be laughed out of town). Nothing about this indicates that it's real - it was mostly for show, and to take some thunder away from AMD's own announcement.The actual product won't overclock nearly as well on a standard water-cooling setup and the availability of boards will be virtually nil (it will be a niche product in a niche market). They might get a grand total of five customers, if they're lucky.
Mikewind Dale - Sunday, January 6, 2019 - link
"unlike the poor overclocker and broken promise that is Budgetripper."As evernessince said, a professional won't overclock anyway, because they want reliability and stability.
But also, if Threadripper doesn't overclock, it means that AMD is giving you its (near-)maximum clock speeds as stock! Isn't that a good thing? Right out of the box, it runs almost as fast as it possibly can, and it's covered under warranty! Isn't that a good thing?
I mean, AMD could make the ultimate overclocker if they just set every Ryzen to 1 MHz. Then people could overclock it from 1 MHz to 4 GHz for a 400,000% overclock. Is that what you want? Would you rather 4 GHz out of the box that's covered by warranty, or would you rather a 4 GHz overclock that breaks warranty but gets the exact same performance anyway?
londedoganet - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Is a “sneak peak” a surreptitious erection? A half-chub, maybe?boozed - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
That or they've begun dropping vendor-supplied tabs prior to press conferences!Ryan Smith - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Nah, it just means that with 10 hours of jet lag and precious few hours to sleep, Ian's sleepiness is at its peak.=P(Thanks for the heads up. Fixed!)
camelNotation - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
That is a 29 phase VRM right there.Dragonstongue - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
a guy shared similar to this on [H] a few months ago, this is NOT for gaming, it is 100% for Pro use, i.e nuclear simulation etc, boat load of core, boat load of memory, boat load of money to buy it, and boat load of a design team to program the workload for it to run properly.there is absolutely nothing "small" about these top of the range systems.
as for the folks below saying "this is a proper HEDT Threadripper does not compare"
hmmmmmmm......regular car, high end sports car, indycar, formula 1, top fuel, all of these have a very specific buyer just the same as for example.
Nv with their "normal" desktop GPU, then they did their Titan cards, then they have their all out pro level cards, TR can game but it was "made for" content creation not gaming on, most games and a desktop environment simply cannot use a crap ton of cores, content creation on the other hand where you might have 5+ high end programs running all at once (video editing, music managing etc) on the other hand can use them.
would be like a kid who just got their license getting mommy and daddy to buy them a 10,000 hp top fuel racer just to "show off" just because folks do this, that is not the companies who make them at fault.
TR is a beast, just like what Titan is (though I hate Nv with a passion) there is a tool for every job, then of course there are many tools who do not know what to use them for LOL.
boeush - Tuesday, June 5, 2018 - link
Loving the tissue-wrappings-and-rubber-bands water-cooling setup. Real hi-tech :PTkan215215 - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
Intel has the wrong product on the table to compete with AMD 32 cores HEDT (many motherboards are out for this beast but not one for Intel 28 cores)yeright1977 - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
The interesting thing is the extra power inputs. Are those PCI-E graphics power ports?If so thats 600W on top of what the ATX spec can supply. Hungry CPU? me thinks so
french toast - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
This is no rival to threadripper...it's a ridiculous fantasy product, almost a custom boutique product that is in another stratosphere to the price range and set up we will see from threadripper.No professional is going to buy one of these and risk overclocking it to 5ghz, it will be used at default speeds...meaning it will have comparable performance to 32 core threadripper in most workloads..at a much much higher price probably.
Only a lonely millionaire is going to buy this for a gaming setup...0.001% of the market.
Desperate move from intel who almost look in trouble atm.
jjj - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
Intel traditionally charges more for HEDT than server on a core count basis as HEDT tends to offer higher clocks.So if this has higher clocks and is unlocked, they likely charge more than for the 28 cores Xeon. No 2P on this one but maybe that's not enough of a factor. Won't be cheaper than 10k, unless they adjust server prices down and could go as high as 20k - flagship pricing. This SKU is not about sales, it's more about image so w/e.
Funny that they didn't had a proper mobo for it, shows this was a late addition.
iwod - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
I wish this was a 16 Core 5 Ghz Part with Quad Memory Channel. May be some day.But I very much hope Zen 2 come out earlier.
Achaios - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
Ugh, I hate watercooling.DanNeely - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
You can see the impact of the giant socket and VRM bank in that the first available spot for a PCIe slot is equivalent to the 4th expansion slot in an ATX board.Unless someone can come up with a more compact board layout these are going to require a new board/case form factor to support more than 2 dual slot GPUs.
zodiacfml - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
Not even a popular Youtuber can purchase and review this. This is irrelevant. Last minute effort to rain on AMD's paradeYomama6776 - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
yeah, The entire build looks like its cob jobedtwtech - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
Given the cooling setup and the timing of the demo, it seems like this was a desperate attempt to divert attention away from TR2.As noted in the article, it's likely just an existing Xeon chip repurposed for this job, and the complete system will retail for a high enough price to ensure volume is insignificant.
The point of course is to make it seem like AMD isn't getting ahead. But if they can't get their 10nm to volume production soon, these marketing tricks may be all they will have for a while.
evernessince - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
I doubt this will fool professionals though. Intel is doing this for the looks as you said. They want to fool investors perhaps.prophet001 - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
watHow does it compare with stock cooling. This doesn't really make sense for Intel to be showing like consumers can get this kind of performance out of their Newegg cart.
piroroadkill - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
Haha, it doesn't compare to stock cooling. We're talking sub ambient temperatures with over a kilowatt draw just for the water chiller, and most likely over a kilowatt for the CPU alone, with an enormous board with a custom VRM section. This is just Intel masturbating.Christopher Newman - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
After looking into this .. it looked like Intel scrambled to put something together rather than have something readily available. A closer look reveals it uses the same socket set as the 8176 and 8180 Intel Xeon Platinum Socket LGA 3647 at 28 Cores and 56 Threads. Overclocked it's basically a Xeon overlclosed to 5Ghz and rigged with an extreme cooling solution to keep from frying the chip. Considering this socket type and CPU this will be a very niche market for people that want to spend $7,000 to $10,000 on a server CPU versus maybe $1600 to $1700 for the new Threadripper 2? I also found it to be too sketchy that Intel wouldn't show the physical processor where AMD gladly flashed it's product. Does Intel really have a next generation processor to compete with AMD or is this a smoke screen to buy time for Q3?mrfluffyhedgehog - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
so it was just a scam basically. no one will get a 5ghz 28 core System - Maybe 4ghz and even then it will probably draw way more power than a 32core threadripper.this time around it looks like amd has the cpu that clocks higher out of the gate, has more cores and draws less power (if epyc is anything to judge by, which it should be since the new threadrippers are basically epyc in layout sans server features and with additional ryzen+ refinements).
a realistic chance for amd to be faster, cooler and cheaper … intel is in some serious trouble.
looking forward for an in depth review in a few months.
Christopher Newman - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
Exactly. This had smoke and mirrors written all over it with Intel. They didn't seem prepared.SanX - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
About per-core prices. ARM core costs $3, Intel core -- $300. Do anyone has any insights why not factor of 20%, or maximum factor of 2 but factor of whopping 100?alpha754293 - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
*drooollll....*$10k would be cheap for a system like this.
eastcoast_pete - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
As impressive as the overall performance of this special one-off 28 core monster was, Intel didn't do themselves any favors here. Yes, showing you can do it is nice and feeds us speedfreaks out there, but this rig looked like it was thrown together overnight, and the special sub-zero C cooling solution basically tells us that there is no way this > $ 8,000 chip could go that fast in everyday use. It does smack a bit of desperation, and is a turn-off for those users who might actually need a system designed around a 28 core high performance chip and have to budget to afford one. They would have been better off showing that chip in a professional workstation setup using a liquid cooling setup one can actually buy and rely on, even it is would have "only" hit 4 Ghz for all cores in turbo mode. As it stands, they looked scared, and made AMD look good.For those who clamor for an AMD response to this spectacle, maybe that company can put on an even less useful demonstration and show off a 32 core TR2 delidded and on liquid nitrogen going even faster.
eastcoast_pete - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
Forgot to add: What would have been a much smarter, but less showy demonstration of the processing power of Intel's 28 core pride-and-joy would have been a demonstration of it running some benchmarks that are known to be able to utilize AVX-512 extensions. Programs that can utilize this Intel-only technology run so much faster on AVX-512 capable systems that it's really no contest even when the other chip has a lot more cores. So, Intel, if you can you show us a setup (without the industrial strength milk cooler, please) of your baby running AVX-512 heavy benchmarks at sustained 2.8 - 3 Ghz on all 28 cores, I would be impressed, just like some of your potential customers.dromoxen - Thursday, June 7, 2018 - link
This a perfect analogue of the American Economy , overclocked , overblown and about to crash ...chrigulix - Thursday, June 7, 2018 - link
About the price:If you compare i9 Skylake-X SKUs to their Xeon brethren, you'll see that the consumer parts are about 40% cheaper. So I would guess this 28 core CPU's MSRP to be about $6000, if Intel keeps their price strategy.
In AMD's case, they simply scaled Threadripper prices last time (at least when all CCXs where active): top binned 8-core 1800x was $500, 16 core 1950x cost $1000. Therefore I assume AMD's 32 core Threadripper is comming in at $2000.
pogostick - Thursday, June 7, 2018 - link
Probably closer to $1500chrigulix - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
Don't think so, 32 cores $1500 sounds to good to be true. Besides, AMD is planning to increase margins in their CPU business.El Sama - Thursday, June 7, 2018 - link
Lol at the cooler they used, is outside of any practical use for 99.9% of the users. They were just scared of Threadripper 32 cores and just kidnapped a crazy expensive Xeon, put it on a crazy over the top motherboard and overclocked it using a water chiller that cools below 0, then called it a day. They have also no way to sell this in this current configuration so this is just for show.jcc5169 - Thursday, June 7, 2018 - link
You guys are not real journalists, Intel must be paying you to be fanboys all the time. This demonstration was a sham, reportedly using a XEON 8176 (old tech) ... certainly shows Intel's desperation.jcc5169 - Thursday, June 7, 2018 - link
This article has a better assessment ..https://segmentnext.com/2018/06/07/intel-28-core-c...
SiSiX - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
So, I'm going to go on a limb here, but last I checked, a water chiller can't cool anything below about 2 degrees C. I'm really impressed when an article with a "better assessment" start pulling random numbers out of their butts, just to make it sound like they know what they're talking about. I also really liked how they "knew" it wasn't a new chip because it used the LGA3647 socket. Of course, the TR2 is a "new" chip, but that's an "old" socket now, but different companies, different standards.I'm not endorsing Intel's stunt here, but the AMD fanbois are out in FORCE about this. I was really impressed by AMD's run of their 32 core TR2 on Blender against...nothing? Seriously, not even against they 24 core version? Had Intel done that, well, everyone would be screaming right now.
As someone else has said, "Begun, the Core Wars have." Personally, for 99% of the people out there, 8 cores are overkill. Yeah, there's some content use I can find you useage for 16 cores, but outside of rendering software, even most of that won't actually use more than 8, if it will use that many. Sure, you can put forth a use case for multitasking heavy CPU usage software, but personally, if I start rendering a video that's going to take more than a couple of minutes (like long enough for me to be concerned about how much HP my CPU has), then that type of job is going on a seperate computer, but because there's nothing like having a 50 min (or 50 hour) render crash at 98% done because the web browser/word processor/solitaire game crashed the whole system.
TR2 and the Intel HCC chips are nice and all, but both simply prove that neither company can really make any great improvements anymore on individual cores. (I mean, if AMD could actually improve their IPC/process/speed as much as their fanbois claimed, they wouldn't NEED to add two more die to make a TR2, now would they? And Intel wouldn't NEED to pull of stunts like this with what's clearly a cherry picked, and admit it, you all wish you had one, possibly new Xeon chip, and ramped that thing up, still on water, but really pushing even what water can do. But still water.)
Oh well, interesting times....
Cooe - Saturday, April 24, 2021 - link
A CPU running at just 2°C is freaking INSANE! Did you have brain damage a few years back when you wrote this? O_oSanX - Thursday, June 7, 2018 - link
It's funny to read how mostly salespeople discuss how many $1000s will cost the chip which is less then $50-100 to produce0xbaada555 - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
it's funny you are not including the huge R&D costs while calculating the production costs. also intel has to scoop money from these sales only to invest into developing next gen fabs.SanX - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
0xbada555You think ARM processors development and factories cost 100 less to have 1-2 orders of magnitude less production cost per core? Compare latest 4B transistors prices for ARM and Intel processors and you will find the same story.
Chirigulis
Eady. Almost all are literally salivating on the 10k+ prices. Even Anand and Ian are essentially salespeople too, both never discussed production cost of anything which is total tabu for two decades here.
chrigulix - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
How do you know, that those are salespeople?