I tried to update this weekend, and it was a disaster. About an hour into the new update, everything on my system started hanging/freezing for minutes at a time. Simply emptying the recycle bin took agonizing minutes. My system is a monster system (64GB RAM, i7-6700K, 2xNVMe in RAID-0 for boot). It's probably a driver issue, but it was inexcusable that this was released into the public. After rolling back, my system was once again usable.
It's a bit much that you think it's "inexcusable" that they released it because you happened to have an issue. I updated last night and it went perfectly fine.
Some updates are better than others. Our IT dept actually sent instructions to delay Windows updates on home machines because they considered this so shaky. I didn't see it in time, updated and have been fine. You never know. I do have very recent hardware, ryzen, though.
The last update I had issued with was the anniversary update two years ago. It broke Asus AI Suite for the Z97 motherboard I have so I just uninstalled it and set the fan cooking curves in the bios. But I know people who also had issues with anniversary update breaking other software that used drivers, specifically monitor software controls (really common on HP professional monitors)
Any IT should have set the update frequency to "Semi-Annual Channel", not "Semi-Annual Channel (Targeted)", in which case no PC would have updated yet. That setting is specifically for organizations.
Not just him I am another casualty of April 2018 update and was forced to revert to v1709. Only gamers who don't face much issues with April 2018 update because they don't use or have any idea outside gaming application or usage.
I mean the system he described there is pretty normal except for the RAID config. If that's hardware RAID the system shouldn't even know, right? I assume it's hybrid RAID which would explain the problems, but still: I wouldn't expect a system composed of standard parts released in the last 2-3 years to run into issues.
There are known issues with some Intel and Toshiba SSDs, but in this case, the RAID-0 may be the culprit. It is an extra driver that has to be accounted for and RAID-0 for boot drives have historically had weaker support (require extra steps and don't always work) than single drive setups across many versions of Windows. I also have an i7-6700K, 64GB RAM, and NVMe (Samsung 950PRO) boot drive setup. Update worked out fine for me, but I don't have RAID-0.
Similar problems happened to two people I know, severe performance drops that made the system unresponsive. I personally had troubles even getting the update to install. Got stuck on a black screen with zero drive activity every time and had to roll back, until I unplugged every peripheral and it finally went through.
And after doing so, the update apparently had reset all of my microphone settings and invalidated my display driver.
Drivers aren't hardware, they don't fail because they are "old". Your understanding of computers could use brushing up. If something that has worked previously on an OS fails after an update it's not an age issue, it's a bug (or as some might say "a regression").
Why are earth are you using a RAID-0 as your boot drive?! Just about every SSD these days is faster than a RAID-0 spinner array. And doing a RAID-0 with SSDs is not recommended at all.
That ain't koolaid. Least not the kind what you find around here. Got a kinda funny aftertaste. Makes you feel all fuzzy in the head. Wake up the next morning wonderin how that laptop got there and what you were doin with it to get that black screen what never goes away on boot.
Your total capacity is still the same, which is what he's saying. Drive 1+2 = RAID 0 array of drive 1+2. You just get them both on one drive letter, and at that point you could use JBOD. It's pointless to use RAID 0 and it increases the risk of data loss.
Anyway those are some ancient SSDs. I remember reading about them... the Mayans, I believe?
I'm still attempting to fix my computer as everytime I try a restore or a rollback it fails. The update worked on my surface pro 4 but not my Asus rog...
In my somewhat substantial experience, roll back has failed at least three times as often as it has worked. It may be that others roll back to fix things that I fix without rolling back, but a <20% success rate doesn't seem very useful to me. I typically recommend making a manual backup image to any client that is willing. Acronis works well and is easy to use.
This is definitely the buggiest update I've installed in a while. I suffered from the File Explorer hang. It makes every other process timeout as well. Rolled back after two days trying various supposed fixes.
I've had something similar too. WinAmp music pkayback would stutter/repeat the last second after a while. I think this is because I had AIDA64 open monitoring temperatures. I have reported the problem to Microsoft via the feedback hub so let us see what hapoens.
my computer crashed complete after the last update. The update took hours and after that this message popped up "sihost.exe.system warning". I had to downgrade my system and go back to the original windows 7 key. Of course, I had to pay for it. Thanks microsoft
Hmm, seeing the RAID-0 caught my attention because the last few "cumulative" updates just before they released RS4 (aka the 1803 update) caused issued with my RAID based systems. I've also spoken to Peter Bright from ARS who also started having RAID issues around that time. So it might all be related.
Yeah, this update bricked my home PC, my work PC and the home PC of one of my friends - luckily it was possible to roll back to a restore point and get the systems back online but I'm turning off updating for good. It's ridiculous that something this broken was released unto the masses.
It went badly for one of my systems as well - specifically the computer had an older HD6850 video card that worked fine before the update. AMD doesn't support the card anymore and windows would no longer download the driver I was using before (which worked perfectly fine). After lots of troubleshooting without success, I replaced the video card. Not a big deal, but I wasn't expecting an update to force me to replace hardware.
This update didn't go so well for me. I had problems with my screen flickering and videos crashing the driver (especially with Netflix, both in several browsers and the Win10 app). A cumulative update came up yesterday and seems to have fixed it, so far. I also required a firmware update from HP to get my printer working (it worked fine before the update). Thankfully they had it ready last month.
Exactly what happened to mine. It flickered. Also, the size of the screen went up. It's magnified. It appear larger than it used to even if the zoom is 100%.
Well it turns out the problem wasn't exactly what I thought it was, as it returned the day after I posted this. It turns out that the update broke Rivatuner Statistics Server (used with MSI Afterburner for the OSD). An update for that fixed it, but I went ahead and uninstalled it since I don't use the OSD anyway.
At least I think so... For all I know the problem will return tomorrow.
Good to know. I haven't had issues myself, but several clients have had issues similar to what you describe. Rivatuner Statistics Server is common between the systems.
The 'pain' is the reset settings (which shouldn't happen anyway), the reinstalled bloatware and the teething issues of underbaked updates. Never mind having all the buttons moved around twice a year instead of once every two years, like the glorious good ol' days of Bill Gates and Andy Grove.
My mother's computer updated to 1803 a few days ago. The only problem she had was some drive named E: showed up and immediately informed her that it was low on space. Easy enough to fix, I just removed the drive letter via the command prompt. Now my PC is updating, I'll see ho0w that goes.
Happened on three of our systems, too. No clue. But incredibly annoying for end-users as you’d get a “running out of disk space” notification every 5 minutes.
Seems like this one was absolutely rushed more than the last two.
I'm happy to have a small, feature light update. Even if it isn't the case, it serves to make me feel that the focus is more toward the core of the software, and not bolting things on additionally. Personally, I rarely engage in any new features, especially anything in Edge, so less time interrupted by installing smaller updates is ok to me.
Even better - 10 yearly intervals. Please Microsoft - leave it alone - no more interface tweaks and compatibility problems. There is no benefit to the users from the changes and there is a cost to M$ to produce them so why keep doing it. All that is wanted is bugfixes and driver updates - leave everything else alone. (In case anyone thinks that I am saying Windows 10 is perfect - I am not - however I do not believe that it is within the capability of Microsoft to make it better - just different and worse.)
Oh, they've shown us plenty of times in the last 37 year how much (or little) they value our opinion. Of course, we'll get to see how much they (still don't?) value our opinion in just 6 months with the next update. Though, I doubt it will be any different than the current update, or the six months prior to that, ...
Is this the update from a few weeks ago? Never could get it to complete the install. Would get almost done and then suddenly uninstall. Finally downloaded an MS program to bypass updates. I have the HP Envy x360 with Ryzen 2500u. No problem downloading and installing on my other PCs (Dell Alienware Aurora R1 and Dell Precision 7510).
With GDPR Microsoft will need to drastically revise their data collection. As it stands their telemetry is incompatible with GDPR as it collects data without informed consent and without the ability to say NO. A fine of 4% of their global turnover might get the Microsoft board to actually care about protecting privacy.
I don't see how "all my browsing history and every task I have ever done on any of my devices including what I looked at, in chronological order" is non-personally-identifiable data.
updated 7 or so comps to it over a week ago. no issues. only thing that happened is on a cpl comps it assigned a drive letter to the hidden system HDD partition which is fixed in about 3 seconds
I will gladly forgo the new "features" in exchange of no unwanted bugs and getting planned obsolescence forced on me. I cannot believe even with the Pro version I cannot lock down my own OS.
There is no option to opt out of the semiannual updates. The max you can delay an update is 360 days with the Pro. I had to look it up after the FCU broke my Dolby audio and took me more than 30 days to realize it was the OS, by that time it's already past the 30 days rollback period. I reverted the HTPC back to 8.1 to avoid getting the forced obsolescence but what happens when that PC needs to be replaced and the only choice is Win10?
Given the amount of effort Microsoft is putting into making 10 Linux-friendly, I don't see why they wouldn't just fork Debian like everyone else or at least borrow the Linux kernel like Google did with Android.
They pretty much did? These are the best, most useful implementations of Linux on Windows I've seen, and they're only lacking server versions.
If you mean, why don't they ship linux? Well, they kind of do on Azure. There's no real reason to do so as a consumer facing OS, unless you're suggesting Windows EdgeOS? Which is very clearly crossing the line into why-bother territory.
There's no value in running something other than a *nix kernel at this point. If they want to keep costs low in the OS development department, then its probably as good a time as any to make the transition. The open source community and Microsoft could further mutually benefit from working together as would software compatibility and cross-platform functionality. All of that can be relatively hidden from the end user by the OS UI so aside from the one-time cost of conversion, a cost they could absorb into pushing out Windows 11 -- something that they'll eventually have to do anyway given predominant market forces, I think staying on their current course is a misstep and a missed opportunity for the computing industry in general and Microsoft in specific.
The flip side is that I was checking for *other* updates (some minor security fixes), not 1803.
Got my first blue screen ever in Windows 10 immediately after the update. Plus a host of other minor bugs (Chrome freezing, OEM partition assigned a drive letter, etc.).
I would’ve appreciated either the choice to install 1803 (but why can’t I take minor updates like everyone else?) or don’t allow it all thru the OS unless you use the Media Creation Tool.
I didn’t need to be a beta tester seemingly a month early.
You want "minimal windows"? Then do yourself a favor and upgrade to Win 7.
Here's my recent experience with 10 -- bought the in-laws a lower end Dell laptop with 10 pre-installed. Could not get their slightly older HP printer working, even with win 10 drivers from HP's website. Bought a Canon printer, same problem. Logitec speakers would not work correctly for some reason. And the coup de grace? Windows updates refused to download. So I put Win 7 on it, and it's running great.
Actually Windows 10 has smaller footprint than Windows 7 and it is more efficient. But still there are som many applications and background processes I don't want / need.
As far as space goes, I agree. Also faster boot time. More efficient in general operation is not so clear. As you said, so many applications and background processes.
*Speakers* didn't work? o.O ...Granted, I had an update break the audio drivers back in W95. By an update that had *absolutely nothing* to do with audio (I think it was a localization thingy; it's been 15 years...).
Microsoft is *great* at breaking stuff in weird ways.
I don't think you mentioned my favorite new feature: the Hyper-V Console can connect to your VMs at resolutions above 1920x1080 now. It was annoying on a 4K monitor to have your VMs only taking up a quarter of the screen. No more!
I am writing this in High Sierra on a machine that also boots to Win 10 connected to a 4k display. The superiority with which OSX (which has a multitude of its own never fixed problems) scales to 4k compared to Windows 10 is obvious simply by looking at the desktop. That difference becomes more obvious with even simple tasks. It is utter nonsense for the reviewer to write that Microsoft cannot fix how onerous it can be to use a 4k screen with Windows 10--they could start with icons and the taskbar. 5k would be unusable in Win 10 but OSX does that now. I actually prefer working in Windows 10 but there is a penalty for using what amounts to higher than 2k resolution monitors.
I and my clients have little issue with 4k displays on Win 10. As I recall it, the author didn't say any nonsense about 4k screens either. He did mention issues with running apps designed for 96 DPI on 200, 300, or more DPI displays, though he also said the situation has improved, but the "solution" didn't gain traction.
For reference, a 27" 4k is only 163 DPI, and doesn't meet the qualifiers for his statement. You would need a 22" or smaller screen to meet the 200 DPI mark at 4k resolution.
He does blame "legacy baggage" for the problem, but I see this as Microsoft's choice as to whether they want to continue trying to work around it for the sake of their "legacy" clientele or make a clean break to compete with other companies for "newer" clients. We get to live with the results of these decisions and that means less than ideal circumstances for the group that didn't get targeted. We can always choose a different OS, but that comes with its own set of problems.
I been running this update for last month of so and I believe it has significant improvements - especially I found with screen handling - especially with fonts and screen resolutions. I enjoying it on my new LG 34U88-B.
I place it on many on my machine and mostly with no problems at all - I do have two problem cases
1. 10+ year old Supermicro dual Xeon 5160 - I have not even try it - but previous update had issues with Realtek Audio driver on Supermicro motherboard - just locks. I can probably solved issue by booting up recovery disk and deleting the audio driver - that what I done before.
2. Chuiwa 8 HiPro tablet - not enough storage on that cheap thing. Similar to Xeon system, if I can spend tyime with it - i could solved it - probably best to removed the horrible version of Android OS - just not well functionally like on Samsung Tab S3
I wondering if there is ever a Windows 11 or they just keep updating Windows 10
You mentioned Control panel and how they are moving away from it. I noticed that in the last 2 Windows 10 upgrades but was always still able to find control panel since I hate the settings menus. To me they seem to basic and kinda mobile like which is ok if you are on a mobile device but not a desktop system. My question is this is Control panel still there in the latest Win 10 or is it completely removed now. If it has been removed totally then I am sure it won't be long before some good soul makes their own and shares it on the internet. I try to stay away from that crap settings menu setup system it is made for kids or people that totally have no clue about how to use a computer.
I also know they are really pushing that Power shell prompt which I find has some use but is a lot slower to open more so on slower systems & I still seek out the good old Command prompt it has less features but it is quick and easy to use without any of the problems Power Shell can have.
Control Panel's still there. As they add features to Settings, they tend to remove them from Control Panel. At the rate they're going it'll be years before CP goes away completely.
Control Panel is still there where it has always been. Somethings are being moved over. This update I personally have not noticed much gone. New menu has grown on me though. As for Command Prompt it is still there. I haven't noticed anything missing from it.
Perhaps using the word "refined" in association with consistently damaging Windows 10 updates is a stretch?
This last update (1803) locked my pc up ...again. This time with some weird white screen with Cortana info and that annoying Cortana voice. That was probably fixable -- but, like an idiot, I put my money on Microsoft's "help" lines. After several so-called 'techs' (including one with such a heavy Indian accent that I had to politely ask for someone else), they caused me to 'inadvertently' wipe my hard drive clean. So, no more Windows anything for me. I donated my "new" pc to a local needy family. Going to Linux now, and forever.
Maybe Microsoft could use a little 'refinement' in their help department by contracting their online and phone techs in the USA and Canada... and not India?
I installed Linux last week. I wasted several hours trying to set grub to hide the boot menu without any success the best I could do it to set the timeout to 1 sec. The second thing was I installed the proprietary driver and Good bye Linux - it wouldn't pass after the loading screen. It even locked up while navigating the grub boot menu to safe mode. Sorry but Linux as a desktop has always been a trash even compared to Win95.
I've been straddling between Linux and Windows since 8 was released. Dual boot or, more recently, using Linux on my primary PC while an older box runs Win7 just in case I need a MS OS for something. It's been a long and slow transition, but at this point, I've found that I barely turn a PC on these days since my phone I good enough for most chores and I'm already carrying it. However, when 7 is no longer getting updates, I will just walk away from Windows altogether since Linux Mint is perfectly adequate for those few times that I still need a conventional PC for something.
I updated and have had all kinds of problem. Lost connection to WHS, had to reinstall connector. Wifi keeps dropping. Several games deleted. Lost saved passwords. Very annoying to say the least.
Update to 1709 also lost the WHS/Essentials connector for me. Doing my best to defer 1803 until 1709 EOL, or until I actually need one of the new features.
Updated a load in work, all my home computers, all without issues. Sucks to be you if you did. The millions of people that have no issues seldom say stuff.
When can we expect a proper color management system in Windows 10? Been waiting 2+ years, it's been promissed several times, but now the topic is dead.
Wih wide gamut displays, 10bit color, HDR, we need something better (Apple colorsync?) than sRGB 8bit SDR on our desktop. First, proper color managent, then sort out the current HDR mess. 3D Dynamic LUT support would be nice!
My Windows Atom tablet has a display bug with the latest update that's probably related to the Intel GPU driver. When using the built-in Windows movie viewer, the screen blanks out for a few seconds when starting and stopping viewing. It doesn't happen with VLC.
I own a small computer business in a town of 55k people. Since May 22nd we've had three cases of customers calling and complaining of issues after a Windows Update. I'm have no way of knowing if the update involved is 1803 or the 5-18 monthly update. All 3 machines have suffered from failure of the user account to load properly. You end up at a black screen with no icons other than recycle bin. Clicking on anything does nothing. Right clicking...ditto. Keyboard commands work, but I haven't found any combination that will fix this. So I pulled the HDDs (not SSDs) and backed up the user data and reinstalled Windows. At that point I noticed something interesting. There were extra partitions on the each HDD that were not standard to the factory install (2 HPs, 1 Dell.). It was like the update was creating a new partition before installing. I am admittedly confused, but like I said, reinstalling Windows from scratch (including all updates) solved the issue, and didn't cause any further issues.
I wish someone would benchmark Win 10 April Update compared to the original Win 10 release. Would be interesting to see if anything has improved at all. And i mean from gaming to app loading times, start up times, battery life and network performance.
Being from India yourself. You know better than breaking the law discussing breaching the DRM. Why you keep mentioning it on random comments is redundant. Also, "Bullwinkle J. Moose" LOL
I think this one went better than FCU. No complete reinstalls required yet, but one of the machines I manage still won't install it. Still, I'm not going to hold it against Microsoft because I insist on running all of my EFI-capable machines _in_ EFI boot mode and some of the early UEFI implementations (2007-2010ish) are flakey as hell. On this particular (personal) machine, I don't think the fact that the ESP is shared with a Linux install is helping, Microsoft seem to like a lot of free space on it to successfully install, even though their default partition map creates an ESP about half the size of the 'standard' 256MB...
Sill, about 20 machines and no other issues, as I said, much better than FCU! I had to reinstall 3 at work last time today round... One thing I've learned is that it really isn't worth trying to diagnose issues with the updater. If you have to try and run it more than twice, a clean install is invariably quicker...
The amount of hoops I've had to jump through to replace homegroup functionality is mind boggling and I'm still not sure it will keep working the next time I reboot and all the solutions are far less secure than homegroup.
They turned last access time stamp back on. I can't understand why, considering the i/o performance hit of the latest security patches and the fact that it has been off for the last decade.
i have tried the update on 4 machines Ryzen x370 syste updated with no problem Kaby lake desktop updated ok but network settings changed which prevented network shares form working. It was a simple fix but annoying Kaby lake HTPC and Broadwell laptop both refuse to install it. The install almost completes but then uninstalls and rolls back
What did you still need Workgroup for? The issue is it has become unnecessary for most things. Share for networks is already built into Windows 10. File storage is built into the OS with OneDrive. There are superior alternatives to sharing over network.
Update itself went fine, however Tablet Mode stopped working after update. I have a convertible laptop (HP Envy x360). When I flip he device into tablet mode, screen rotation kicks in, keyboard and touchpad get disabled but no prompt to switch to tablet mode, when I set the option to not ask and switch, still nothing. I can only switch manually via action center.
I'd give all that up for the ability to put a live tile on the desktop. I use a third party app to keep Windows 7 gadgets running because a calendar reminder isn't very useful if I have to remind myself to open the start menu to see it.
This is a good look at the update for the consumer "Home" SKU, which many users are using. However, for me personally this is single-handedly the best update Windows 10 has had. This update adds two excellent features for developers.
For Android Developers, this release launches the Windows Hypervisor platform, which allows for the Xamarin version of the Android Virtual Device Manager to run with Hyper-V enabled (or, more specifically, with Docker for Windows enabled).
Yes, the Xamarin AVD version is still in Beta. No, your rebuttals cannot be heard over the sound of my rejoicing.
For C++ Windows developers, this release adds C++/WinRT, which removes a lot of the constraints around consuming UWP APIs from C++ code, and adds support for UWP CLI tools.
While I haven't explored exactly what the latter does yet, I believe (along with the current UWP API surface area improvements) that the ChakraCore-derived version of Node + NPM could be completely packaged as UWP apps for system-wide use.
Microsoft was nice enough to return the edge shortcut to my desktop. I guess they thought I may have accidently deleted it (it wasn't on accident). Also, they changed the audio options when you right click on the speaker icon in the task bar. I used to be able to go directly to the playback/recording devices from here. But now, the only option is to choose sounds and then click over to the playback tab afterwards. It's another step which gets annoying.
I was contacted by a friend that after the upgrade to 1803, his Excel would crash at the first attempt to enter something in a cell. Turns out that this is a known feature : 1803 kills several older Excel versions. Apparently. Microsoft is not planning to repair this. It is either incredibly sloppy programming or a malicious way to force people to upgrade their Microsoft Office. Is this how they recuperate the "free" OS updates? Personally, I hate the way to "simplify" Windows by making active controls unrecognizable: links in the settings menue are generally gray without any indication that they are clickable. Someone should explain that a workstation is not a telephone or a tablet end never will be.
One feature that android (on and off) and linux have that windows and mac/ios doesn't have: dark theme/mode. It would be nice too, if ms edge have inverse color that chrome has (extensions).
Windows 10 has a dark mode across the entire system. MacOS is currently about to implement a dark theme. Selecting Settings > Personalization > Colors, Then at the bottom select "Dark" under Choose your default App mode. As for enabling it within Explorer that will require changes to core files through other means. You can choose dark colors for title bars etc and save the theme under the Themes tab.
This patch is buggy as hell compared to the past ones for me. For example.. clicking on timeline/task view instantly crashes windows explorer. Closing all my windows.
Updated 9 desktops and 2 laptops with only one problem. My AnyDesk connection to my headless SageTV server no longer works properly. It connects and just sits there waiting for the screen to update. I have to plug a monitor into the server to get it to function. I've ordered a monitor emulator to fix the issue.
Ugh. RDP was changed in this update and now it’s a UWP app :( yay it doesn’t work. Thankfully the old RDP is still available if you search for it.
MS for the love of god stop with the UWP crap in the OS, it looks like garbage and have half the functionality of the original ones we all know and have been using for ages. Settings can go eat a donkey dick
I think I am beginning to see a pattern here... Fall updates for lots of new goodies, Spring updates to clean up the mess and maybe add a gadget or two.
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My tablet PC (Yoga 720) pulled this update down Tuesday night. I noticed when I tried to use the machine Wednesday only to be greeted with update screen after update screen. Not like I was trying to use the computer to do stuff or anything.
Sadly, the update broke my microphone and mouse cursor. Took an hour to figure out why I could listen to my mic, but Discord couldn't detect or use it. Turns out disabling the "let apps use my microphone" and then turning it right back on was all that was needed. Driver and settings changes elsewhere had zero impact. As for the mouse cursor, it disappears the moment I touch the screen and never comes back. Previously, using the touchpad would cause the mouse cursor to come back. Now it's just permanently gone. Windows no longer distinguishes between touch and touchpad input.
This has been one frustrating update. Definite regression in features I use. I don't use any of the stuff outlined as changes and additions in this article.
The latest update of Windows 10 is named as Redstone 4 and the version of the update is 1803. This update is not so big but it has improved the performance of Windows 10 a lot. The update has started rolling in batches on April 30, 2018. The start menu has changed a bit, performance of Cortana has been improved, Action center has been improved, Desktop Timeline has been added, a new game bar has been added. Lots of other changes are there. If you need more support you can check <a href="https://microsoftsupport.co/microsoft-support-uk&q... Tech Support UK </a>
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brshoemak - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
"but that’s really a bad thing" - I assume you're missing a 'not' there. Not trying to be that guy but some people don't get context.Brett Howse - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
If you don't want to be "that guy" you can always send me an email, but either way thanks for the feedback :)BenJeremy - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
I tried to update this weekend, and it was a disaster. About an hour into the new update, everything on my system started hanging/freezing for minutes at a time. Simply emptying the recycle bin took agonizing minutes. My system is a monster system (64GB RAM, i7-6700K, 2xNVMe in RAID-0 for boot). It's probably a driver issue, but it was inexcusable that this was released into the public. After rolling back, my system was once again usable.IdBuRnS - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
It's a bit much that you think it's "inexcusable" that they released it because you happened to have an issue. I updated last night and it went perfectly fine.Holliday75 - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Its inexcusable that Microsoft did not account for the 325,643,324,962,789 hardware, software, driver, firmware and bios combos. Damn them!nico_mach - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Some updates are better than others. Our IT dept actually sent instructions to delay Windows updates on home machines because they considered this so shaky. I didn't see it in time, updated and have been fine. You never know. I do have very recent hardware, ryzen, though.basroil - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
No issues with 3 machines, haswell, kaby, and sandy bridge (yup, good old 2600k is still a beast!)Samus - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
The last update I had issued with was the anniversary update two years ago. It broke Asus AI Suite for the Z97 motherboard I have so I just uninstalled it and set the fan cooking curves in the bios. But I know people who also had issues with anniversary update breaking other software that used drivers, specifically monitor software controls (really common on HP professional monitors)hansmuff - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
Any IT should have set the update frequency to "Semi-Annual Channel", not "Semi-Annual Channel (Targeted)", in which case no PC would have updated yet. That setting is specifically for organizations.leexgx - Sunday, May 27, 2018 - link
or more specifically for windows 10 Pro and enterprise (windows 10 home users cant easy limit unless they buy a windows 10 pro key for £$ 3-5)Lolimaster - Wednesday, May 30, 2018 - link
Why have win10 installed in the 1st place, Win8.1 update 3 is rock solid with none of the bloatware and update when you want if you want to do it.SirPerro - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
From a consumer standpoint, it's peanuts and an isolated case.But this is the kind of issues that make the enterprise admins say "fuck it, I'm not updating this shit"
kuttan - Sunday, May 27, 2018 - link
Not just him I am another casualty of April 2018 update and was forced to revert to v1709. Only gamers who don't face much issues with April 2018 update because they don't use or have any idea outside gaming application or usage.lmcd - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
I mean the system he described there is pretty normal except for the RAID config. If that's hardware RAID the system shouldn't even know, right? I assume it's hybrid RAID which would explain the problems, but still: I wouldn't expect a system composed of standard parts released in the last 2-3 years to run into issues.jordanclock - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
What kind of SSDs are you using?BurntMyBacon - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
There are known issues with some Intel and Toshiba SSDs, but in this case, the RAID-0 may be the culprit. It is an extra driver that has to be accounted for and RAID-0 for boot drives have historically had weaker support (require extra steps and don't always work) than single drive setups across many versions of Windows. I also have an i7-6700K, 64GB RAM, and NVMe (Samsung 950PRO) boot drive setup. Update worked out fine for me, but I don't have RAID-0.Ophion - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Similar problems happened to two people I know, severe performance drops that made the system unresponsive. I personally had troubles even getting the update to install. Got stuck on a black screen with zero drive activity every time and had to roll back, until I unplugged every peripheral and it finally went through.And after doing so, the update apparently had reset all of my microphone settings and invalidated my display driver.
HStewart - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
It is probably like my Xeon system, you have some drive - like my Realtek driver failing because it old.ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Sunday, May 27, 2018 - link
Cmon Stewie, your Realtek driver did not fail because it's oldIn fact, your driver still works fine
It failed because you installed Windows 10
bananaforscale - Sunday, May 27, 2018 - link
Drivers aren't hardware, they don't fail because they are "old". Your understanding of computers could use brushing up. If something that has worked previously on an OS fails after an update it's not an age issue, it's a bug (or as some might say "a regression").0ldman79 - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Every major update has reset my 7.1 surround settings, the Nvidia settings and my firewall.Kind of irritating, spending time tuning the colors, fine tuning for the shape of the room, etc... only to have MS just wipe it out arbitrarily.
Stuka87 - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Why are earth are you using a RAID-0 as your boot drive?! Just about every SSD these days is faster than a RAID-0 spinner array. And doing a RAID-0 with SSDs is not recommended at all.DanNeely - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
The same koolaid that gaming laptop makers - who love to raid0 multiple SSDs - are convinced their customers are guzzling.RAID0 doesn't help latency, and that's where 99% of the gain from HDD to SSD to Optane is to be found.
BurntMyBacon - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
That ain't koolaid. Least not the kind what you find around here. Got a kinda funny aftertaste. Makes you feel all fuzzy in the head. Wake up the next morning wonderin how that laptop got there and what you were doin with it to get that black screen what never goes away on boot.euler007 - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Not only that but two Nvme drives in raid 0 as a boot drive. Zero real world gains except on static benchmark.Holliday75 - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
The gain being you are twice as likely to lose a OS drive and need to reinstall all your software! Well a gain for people who like doing that.Makaveli - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Some people like myself combine SSD's in Raid 0 for more capacity than speed.still using two Intel X25-M G2 160GB in Raid 0
piiman - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
You don't get more capacity, its the same.MamiyaOtaru - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
wrong. Raid 1, where each drive is mirrored, would get you the same capacity. But two 160GB drives in raid 0 (striped) gives a capacity of 320."capacity of a RAID 0 volume ... is sum of the capacities of the disks in the set." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID#Standard_levels
I love how sure you seem about this while being totally wrong haha
Alexvrb - Sunday, May 27, 2018 - link
Your total capacity is still the same, which is what he's saying. Drive 1+2 = RAID 0 array of drive 1+2. You just get them both on one drive letter, and at that point you could use JBOD. It's pointless to use RAID 0 and it increases the risk of data loss.Anyway those are some ancient SSDs. I remember reading about them... the Mayans, I believe?
ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
It is the same capacity.....ivanfreyes - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
How do you undo the update? Please reply at your earliest convenience.ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
"How do you undo the update?"-----------------------------------------
I boot to Acronis and restore whichever backup I like
How do you do it?
BurntMyBacon - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
With clonezilla. Not as nice to look at as Acronis, but it works well and is free.piiman - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
Go to Updates and select recovery. Also my system actually made a duel boot entry that said roll back updateJburris020 - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
I'm still attempting to fix my computer as everytime I try a restore or a rollback it fails. The update worked on my surface pro 4 but not my Asus rog...ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
Acronis Backup works every time (once you learn how to use it)BurntMyBacon - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
In my somewhat substantial experience, roll back has failed at least three times as often as it has worked. It may be that others roll back to fix things that I fix without rolling back, but a <20% success rate doesn't seem very useful to me. I typically recommend making a manual backup image to any client that is willing. Acronis works well and is easy to use.piiman - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
Time to reinstall!kidsafe - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
This is definitely the buggiest update I've installed in a while. I suffered from the File Explorer hang. It makes every other process timeout as well. Rolled back after two days trying various supposed fixes.Dorkaman - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
I've had something similar too. WinAmp music pkayback would stutter/repeat the last second after a while. I think this is because I had AIDA64 open monitoring temperatures. I have reported the problem to Microsoft via the feedback hub so let us see what hapoens.juancarcus - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
my computer crashed complete after the last update. The update took hours and after that this message popped up "sihost.exe.system warning". I had to downgrade my system and go back to the original windows 7 key. Of course, I had to pay for it. Thanks microsoft
BucksterMcgee - Sunday, May 27, 2018 - link
Hmm, seeing the RAID-0 caught my attention because the last few "cumulative" updates just before they released RS4 (aka the 1803 update) caused issued with my RAID based systems. I've also spoken to Peter Bright from ARS who also started having RAID issues around that time. So it might all be related.bananaforscale - Sunday, May 27, 2018 - link
2x NVMe in RAID0 as a boot drive is... unusual. Silly would be another word. *Why?*Minttunator - Sunday, May 27, 2018 - link
Yeah, this update bricked my home PC, my work PC and the home PC of one of my friends - luckily it was possible to roll back to a restore point and get the systems back online but I'm turning off updating for good. It's ridiculous that something this broken was released unto the masses.kmmatney - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
It went badly for one of my systems as well - specifically the computer had an older HD6850 video card that worked fine before the update. AMD doesn't support the card anymore and windows would no longer download the driver I was using before (which worked perfectly fine). After lots of troubleshooting without success, I replaced the video card. Not a big deal, but I wasn't expecting an update to force me to replace hardware.ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
Had to take a 6950 out of an old system to update awhile ago. The card worked after updating.prime2515103 - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
This update didn't go so well for me. I had problems with my screen flickering and videos crashing the driver (especially with Netflix, both in several browsers and the Win10 app). A cumulative update came up yesterday and seems to have fixed it, so far. I also required a firmware update from HP to get my printer working (it worked fine before the update). Thankfully they had it ready last month.ivanfreyes - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Exactly what happened to mine. It flickered. Also, the size of the screen went up. It's magnified. It appear larger than it used to even if the zoom is 100%.ivanfreyes - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Did the enlarged view also happened to you after the update?prime2515103 - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
The size of everything was normal for me.prime2515103 - Sunday, May 27, 2018 - link
Well it turns out the problem wasn't exactly what I thought it was, as it returned the day after I posted this. It turns out that the update broke Rivatuner Statistics Server (used with MSI Afterburner for the OSD). An update for that fixed it, but I went ahead and uninstalled it since I don't use the OSD anyway.At least I think so... For all I know the problem will return tomorrow.
BurntMyBacon - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
Good to know. I haven't had issues myself, but several clients have had issues similar to what you describe. Rivatuner Statistics Server is common between the systems.Nozuka - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
I really hope they switch to a yearly update cycle. It's a pain to have these big updates twice a year on all devices..Dahak - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Same here. Even when I delay it as much as possible. It just makes that much easier to manageJimios - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Not sure why exactly it's a "pain". A reboot taking 5 minutes longer, twice a year?nico_mach - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
The 'pain' is the reset settings (which shouldn't happen anyway), the reinstalled bloatware and the teething issues of underbaked updates. Never mind having all the buttons moved around twice a year instead of once every two years, like the glorious good ol' days of Bill Gates and Andy Grove.piiman - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
"the reinstalled bloatware"What bloatware does it re install?
stephenbrooks - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
5 *minutes* longer? The last two updates took 3 hours+ to install on my PC and laptop, requiring multiple restarts. These updates are huge.Alexvrb - Sunday, May 27, 2018 - link
Holy crud that's a slow potato! It didn't take that long even on an old i5-4200U lappy with a HDD and flash cache.stephenbrooks - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
5 *minutes* longer? The last two updates took 3 hours+ to install on my PC and laptop, requiring multiple restarts. These updates are huge.Jimios - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
It's time to invest in an SSD then. ;)stephenbrooks - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
My laptop's only drive is an SSD. Didn't seem to improve things much.jabber - Sunday, May 27, 2018 - link
I times the 1803 update on my rig from clicking 'Restart' to getting back to my desktop...took 15 minutes.Kaggy - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Had to reinstall graphics drivers cause it went low res after update. Same issue when I did the 1709 update.bigi - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
It f'd up my box so bad instantly that I had to re-image.damianrobertjones - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
I blame your box and what you did to the default install.Bezukhov - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
My mother's computer updated to 1803 a few days ago. The only problem she had was some drive named E: showed up and immediately informed her that it was low on space. Easy enough to fix, I just removed the drive letter via the command prompt. Now my PC is updating, I'll see ho0w that goes.ikjadoon - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Happened on three of our systems, too. No clue. But incredibly annoying for end-users as you’d get a “running out of disk space” notification every 5 minutes.Seems like this one was absolutely rushed more than the last two.
0ldman79 - Sunday, May 27, 2018 - link
Ironically this one was also delayed by a month or so.stuffwhy - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
I'm happy to have a small, feature light update. Even if it isn't the case, it serves to make me feel that the focus is more toward the core of the software, and not bolting things on additionally. Personally, I rarely engage in any new features, especially anything in Edge, so less time interrupted by installing smaller updates is ok to me.Duncan Macdonald - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Even better - 10 yearly intervals. Please Microsoft - leave it alone - no more interface tweaks and compatibility problems. There is no benefit to the users from the changes and there is a cost to M$ to produce them so why keep doing it.All that is wanted is bugfixes and driver updates - leave everything else alone.
(In case anyone thinks that I am saying Windows 10 is perfect - I am not - however I do not believe that it is within the capability of Microsoft to make it better - just different and worse.)
Holliday75 - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
I guess we'll see how much they value your opinion the next couple of years.ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
We have been waiting 37 years to see how much they value our opinion....Are you sure its only a couple more?
BurntMyBacon - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
Oh, they've shown us plenty of times in the last 37 year how much (or little) they value our opinion. Of course, we'll get to see how much they (still don't?) value our opinion in just 6 months with the next update. Though, I doubt it will be any different than the current update, or the six months prior to that, ...JCB994 - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Is this the update from a few weeks ago? Never could get it to complete the install. Would get almost done and then suddenly uninstall. Finally downloaded an MS program to bypass updates. I have the HP Envy x360 with Ryzen 2500u. No problem downloading and installing on my other PCs (Dell Alienware Aurora R1 and Dell Precision 7510).Duncan Macdonald - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
With GDPR Microsoft will need to drastically revise their data collection. As it stands their telemetry is incompatible with GDPR as it collects data without informed consent and without the ability to say NO. A fine of 4% of their global turnover might get the Microsoft board to actually care about protecting privacy.haplo602 - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
As long as MS is collecting only non-identifiable data, they don't need any consent ....ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Fake News!stephenbrooks - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
I don't see how "all my browsing history and every task I have ever done on any of my devices including what I looked at, in chronological order" is non-personally-identifiable data.ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
Set it as a metered connection stops all upload of any information.sibuna - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
updated 7 or so comps to it over a week ago. no issues. only thing that happened is on a cpl comps it assigned a drive letter to the hidden system HDD partition which is fixed in about 3 secondsdamianrobertjones - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Capitals at the start of sentences can be your friend.deepblue08 - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Update was smooth on my Dell XPS 13 (2017) and smooth on my Custom Built 6700K/Z170x/Samsung950Pro machinewr3zzz - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
I will gladly forgo the new "features" in exchange of no unwanted bugs and getting planned obsolescence forced on me. I cannot believe even with the Pro version I cannot lock down my own OS.ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Same hereI'm still running Windows XP without ANY Microsoft security updates and am on the Internet almost every day with it
It is completely Locked Down and immune to ransomware and other threats
It hasn't had a Blue Screen of Death in over 10 years
and there are no backdoors from Microsoft to worry about
I LOVE IT!
damianrobertjones - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
I'm looking at Windows 10's group policy via the mmc right now? Why can't you lock it down?wr3zzz - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
There is no option to opt out of the semiannual updates. The max you can delay an update is 360 days with the Pro. I had to look it up after the FCU broke my Dolby audio and took me more than 30 days to realize it was the OS, by that time it's already past the 30 days rollback period. I reverted the HTPC back to 8.1 to avoid getting the forced obsolescence but what happens when that PC needs to be replaced and the only choice is Win10?Alexvrb - Sunday, May 27, 2018 - link
Don't try to engage with TrollWinkle. He'll tell you how the aliens come probe you if you use Windows 10.PeachNCream - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Given the amount of effort Microsoft is putting into making 10 Linux-friendly, I don't see why they wouldn't just fork Debian like everyone else or at least borrow the Linux kernel like Google did with Android.nico_mach - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
They pretty much did? These are the best, most useful implementations of Linux on Windows I've seen, and they're only lacking server versions.If you mean, why don't they ship linux? Well, they kind of do on Azure. There's no real reason to do so as a consumer facing OS, unless you're suggesting Windows EdgeOS? Which is very clearly crossing the line into why-bother territory.
PeachNCream - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
There's no value in running something other than a *nix kernel at this point. If they want to keep costs low in the OS development department, then its probably as good a time as any to make the transition. The open source community and Microsoft could further mutually benefit from working together as would software compatibility and cross-platform functionality. All of that can be relatively hidden from the end user by the OS UI so aside from the one-time cost of conversion, a cost they could absorb into pushing out Windows 11 -- something that they'll eventually have to do anyway given predominant market forces, I think staying on their current course is a misstep and a missed opportunity for the computing industry in general and Microsoft in specific.ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
Because linux will never be fully supported for everyday use and software across the board. They can run the kernel within Windows already.Kvaern1 - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
"But, once it does start rolling out through Windows Update, there will be some new things to check out, so let’s take a look at some of them."Not sure what you mean here. My home PC got it through Windows Update on April 30th.
Brett Howse - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
You had to manually check for updates for that to happen on the 30th. The auto rollout has been a lot less aggressive.ikjadoon - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
The flip side is that I was checking for *other* updates (some minor security fixes), not 1803.Got my first blue screen ever in Windows 10 immediately after the update. Plus a host of other minor bugs (Chrome freezing, OEM partition assigned a drive letter, etc.).
I would’ve appreciated either the choice to install 1803 (but why can’t I take minor updates like everyone else?) or don’t allow it all thru the OS unless you use the Media Creation Tool.
I didn’t need to be a beta tester seemingly a month early.
Drazick - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
I wish they gave us back the option to customize Windows on installation phase.I'd really want to install a minimal Windows.
I don't need all this bloatware. I want my system to be compact and efficient.
LazloPanaflex - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
You want "minimal windows"? Then do yourself a favor and upgrade to Win 7.Here's my recent experience with 10 -- bought the in-laws a lower end Dell laptop with 10 pre-installed. Could not get their slightly older HP printer working, even with win 10 drivers from HP's website. Bought a Canon printer, same problem. Logitec speakers would not work correctly for some reason. And the coup de grace? Windows updates refused to download. So I put Win 7 on it, and it's running great.
Microsoft can shove 10 up their collective asses.
Drazick - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Actually Windows 10 has smaller footprint than Windows 7 and it is more efficient.But still there are som many applications and background processes I don't want / need.
I wish I could not have them at all.
BurntMyBacon - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
As far as space goes, I agree. Also faster boot time. More efficient in general operation is not so clear. As you said, so many applications and background processes.damianrobertjones - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
I'd blame HP for your issues not MS. Did you clean restore the oS?1_rick - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
"You want "minimal windows"? Then do yourself a favor and upgrade to Win 7."You do know that even in Windows 7, there wasn't a "minimal windows", right? Everything is installed, but a lot of optional stuff is just disabled.
bananaforscale - Sunday, May 27, 2018 - link
*Speakers* didn't work? o.O ...Granted, I had an update break the audio drivers back in W95. By an update that had *absolutely nothing* to do with audio (I think it was a localization thingy; it's been 15 years...).Microsoft is *great* at breaking stuff in weird ways.
Mairene - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
I don't think you mentioned my favorite new feature: the Hyper-V Console can connect to your VMs at resolutions above 1920x1080 now. It was annoying on a 4K monitor to have your VMs only taking up a quarter of the screen. No more!ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
Sounds like a first world problem.Dabxxx - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
I am writing this in High Sierra on a machine that also boots to Win 10 connected to a 4k display. The superiority with which OSX (which has a multitude of its own never fixed problems) scales to 4k compared to Windows 10 is obvious simply by looking at the desktop. That difference becomes more obvious with even simple tasks. It is utter nonsense for the reviewer to write that Microsoft cannot fix how onerous it can be to use a 4k screen with Windows 10--they could start with icons and the taskbar. 5k would be unusable in Win 10 but OSX does that now. I actually prefer working in Windows 10 but there is a penalty for using what amounts to higher than 2k resolution monitors.BurntMyBacon - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
I and my clients have little issue with 4k displays on Win 10. As I recall it, the author didn't say any nonsense about 4k screens either. He did mention issues with running apps designed for 96 DPI on 200, 300, or more DPI displays, though he also said the situation has improved, but the "solution" didn't gain traction.For reference, a 27" 4k is only 163 DPI, and doesn't meet the qualifiers for his statement. You would need a 22" or smaller screen to meet the 200 DPI mark at 4k resolution.
He does blame "legacy baggage" for the problem, but I see this as Microsoft's choice as to whether they want to continue trying to work around it for the sake of their "legacy" clientele or make a clean break to compete with other companies for "newer" clients. We get to live with the results of these decisions and that means less than ideal circumstances for the group that didn't get targeted. We can always choose a different OS, but that comes with its own set of problems.
HStewart - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
I been running this update for last month of so and I believe it has significant improvements - especially I found with screen handling - especially with fonts and screen resolutions. I enjoying it on my new LG 34U88-B.I place it on many on my machine and mostly with no problems at all - I do have two problem cases
1. 10+ year old Supermicro dual Xeon 5160 - I have not even try it - but previous update had issues with Realtek Audio driver on Supermicro motherboard - just locks. I can probably solved issue by booting up recovery disk and deleting the audio driver - that what I done before.
2. Chuiwa 8 HiPro tablet - not enough storage on that cheap thing. Similar to Xeon system, if I can spend tyime with it - i could solved it - probably best to removed the horrible version of Android OS - just not well functionally like on Samsung Tab S3
I wondering if there is ever a Windows 11 or they just keep updating Windows 10
ianbergman - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Win-H for dictation FTWrocky12345 - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
You mentioned Control panel and how they are moving away from it. I noticed that in the last 2 Windows 10 upgrades but was always still able to find control panel since I hate the settings menus. To me they seem to basic and kinda mobile like which is ok if you are on a mobile device but not a desktop system. My question is this is Control panel still there in the latest Win 10 or is it completely removed now. If it has been removed totally then I am sure it won't be long before some good soul makes their own and shares it on the internet. I try to stay away from that crap settings menu setup system it is made for kids or people that totally have no clue about how to use a computer.I also know they are really pushing that Power shell prompt which I find has some use but is a lot slower to open more so on slower systems & I still seek out the good old Command prompt it has less features but it is quick and easy to use without any of the problems Power Shell can have.
Chad - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Been running it fine. Installed fine and everything works good. shrug1_rick - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Control Panel's still there. As they add features to Settings, they tend to remove them from Control Panel. At the rate they're going it'll be years before CP goes away completely.ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
Control Panel is still there where it has always been. Somethings are being moved over. This update I personally have not noticed much gone. New menu has grown on me though. As for Command Prompt it is still there. I haven't noticed anything missing from it.Gunbuster - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Wish Microsoft would stop calling it an update when they do a complete fresh install and migrate your apps (if they feel like it)Off to Linux Land - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Perhaps using the word "refined" in association with consistently damaging Windows 10 updates is a stretch?This last update (1803) locked my pc up ...again. This time with some weird white screen with Cortana info and that annoying Cortana voice. That was probably fixable -- but, like an idiot, I put my money on Microsoft's "help" lines. After several so-called 'techs' (including one with such a heavy Indian accent that I had to politely ask for someone else), they caused me to 'inadvertently' wipe my hard drive clean. So, no more Windows anything for me. I donated my "new" pc to a local needy family. Going to Linux now, and forever.
Maybe Microsoft could use a little 'refinement' in their help department by contracting their online and phone techs in the USA and Canada... and not India?
damianrobertjones - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Haa haa haa. You made me laugh. If you couldn't fix windows then have fun with Linux.P.s. Ensure you have a backup at all times.
Zingam - Sunday, May 27, 2018 - link
I installed Linux last week. I wasted several hours trying to set grub to hide the boot menu without any success the best I could do it to set the timeout to 1 sec. The second thing was I installed the proprietary driver and Good bye Linux - it wouldn't pass after the loading screen. It even locked up while navigating the grub boot menu to safe mode. Sorry but Linux as a desktop has always been a trash even compared to Win95.PeachNCream - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
I've been straddling between Linux and Windows since 8 was released. Dual boot or, more recently, using Linux on my primary PC while an older box runs Win7 just in case I need a MS OS for something. It's been a long and slow transition, but at this point, I've found that I barely turn a PC on these days since my phone I good enough for most chores and I'm already carrying it. However, when 7 is no longer getting updates, I will just walk away from Windows altogether since Linux Mint is perfectly adequate for those few times that I still need a conventional PC for something.ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
If you rarely need to use your PC just keep Windows 7 on it. By the point you need a new PC chances are you will be an entire phone user.Mikey Wiz - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
I updated and have had all kinds of problem. Lost connection to WHS, had to reinstall connector. Wifi keeps dropping. Several games deleted. Lost saved passwords. Very annoying to say the least.damianrobertjones - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Backups can be your friend.voicequal - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
Update to 1709 also lost the WHS/Essentials connector for me. Doing my best to defer 1803 until 1709 EOL, or until I actually need one of the new features.damianrobertjones - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
Updated a load in work, all my home computers, all without issues. Sucks to be you if you did. The millions of people that have no issues seldom say stuff.Zan Lynx - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
I did four machines. They all updated without problems.bill44 - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
When can we expect a proper color management system in Windows 10?Been waiting 2+ years, it's been promissed several times, but now the topic is dead.
Wih wide gamut displays, 10bit color, HDR, we need something better (Apple colorsync?) than sRGB 8bit SDR on our desktop. First, proper color managent, then sort out the current HDR mess.
3D Dynamic LUT support would be nice!
serendip - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link
My Windows Atom tablet has a display bug with the latest update that's probably related to the Intel GPU driver. When using the built-in Windows movie viewer, the screen blanks out for a few seconds when starting and stopping viewing. It doesn't happen with VLC.DiscoDJ - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
I own a small computer business in a town of 55k people. Since May 22nd we've had three cases of customers calling and complaining of issues after a Windows Update. I'm have no way of knowing if the update involved is 1803 or the 5-18 monthly update.All 3 machines have suffered from failure of the user account to load properly. You end up at a black screen with no icons other than recycle bin.
Clicking on anything does nothing. Right clicking...ditto. Keyboard commands work, but I haven't found any combination that will fix this.
So I pulled the HDDs (not SSDs) and backed up the user data and reinstalled Windows.
At that point I noticed something interesting. There were extra partitions on the each HDD that were not standard to the factory install (2 HPs, 1 Dell.). It was like the update was creating a new partition before installing.
I am admittedly confused, but like I said, reinstalling Windows from scratch (including all updates) solved the issue, and didn't cause any further issues.
Gunbuster - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
it is a reinstall. that's why you get a windows.old dir too. they should not be calling it an updateChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
The extra partitions are for roll-back.B3an - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
I wish someone would benchmark Win 10 April Update compared to the original Win 10 release. Would be interesting to see if anything has improved at all. And i mean from gaming to app loading times, start up times, battery life and network performance.ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
I wish the staff would openly discuss the problem with Microsofts DRM instead of deleting my posts without commentYES, it may be against the "LAW" to discuss getting around DRM but those Laws only help Criminals who wrote the Law
A permanent backdoor into everyones computer IS a matter of National and Personal Security
Bill Gates once asked for an open discussion on security
When are you willing to actually have it ?
I believe James Comey even asked for an open discussion on the problems affecting National Security such as Encryption Backdoors
I am ready for an honest open discussion
AnandTech is definitely NOT Ready!
Be a part of the solution, instead of the problem
ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
Being from India yourself. You know better than breaking the law discussing breaching the DRM. Why you keep mentioning it on random comments is redundant. Also, "Bullwinkle J. Moose" LOLAzurael - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
I think this one went better than FCU. No complete reinstalls required yet, but one of the machines I manage still won't install it. Still, I'm not going to hold it against Microsoft because I insist on running all of my EFI-capable machines _in_ EFI boot mode and some of the early UEFI implementations (2007-2010ish) are flakey as hell. On this particular (personal) machine, I don't think the fact that the ESP is shared with a Linux install is helping, Microsoft seem to like a lot of free space on it to successfully install, even though their default partition map creates an ESP about half the size of the 'standard' 256MB...Sill, about 20 machines and no other issues, as I said, much better than FCU! I had to reinstall 3 at work last time today round... One thing I've learned is that it really isn't worth trying to diagnose issues with the updater. If you have to try and run it more than twice, a clean install is invariably quicker...
landerf - Saturday, May 26, 2018 - link
The amount of hoops I've had to jump through to replace homegroup functionality is mind boggling and I'm still not sure it will keep working the next time I reboot and all the solutions are far less secure than homegroup.coburn_c - Sunday, May 27, 2018 - link
They turned last access time stamp back on. I can't understand why, considering the i/o performance hit of the latest security patches and the fact that it has been off for the last decade.exactopposite - Sunday, May 27, 2018 - link
i have tried the update on 4 machinesRyzen x370 syste updated with no problem
Kaby lake desktop updated ok but network settings changed which prevented network shares form working. It was a simple fix but annoying
Kaby lake HTPC and Broadwell laptop both refuse to install it. The install almost completes but then uninstalls and rolls back
lfred - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
What fix did you use? shares keeps disconnecting from time to time here?ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
No luck with clean install?Schmide - Sunday, May 27, 2018 - link
11 pages and a full article and no mention of the fact that they took away Workgroup?For shame
ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
What did you still need Workgroup for? The issue is it has become unnecessary for most things. Share for networks is already built into Windows 10. File storage is built into the OS with OneDrive. There are superior alternatives to sharing over network.haplo602 - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
Update itself went fine, however Tablet Mode stopped working after update. I have a convertible laptop (HP Envy x360). When I flip he device into tablet mode, screen rotation kicks in, keyboard and touchpad get disabled but no prompt to switch to tablet mode, when I set the option to not ask and switch, still nothing. I can only switch manually via action center.ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
That's hilariousSometimes I think they should replace "Saturday Night Live" with "Comedy Hour Updates"
It would be very entertaining to see all the most obnoxious, dastardly, destructive and moronic "updates" Microsoft has to offer on a weekly basis
Typo - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
only 1/3 of the computers in my house has gotten the update. Neither of my laptops seem to see it yet.ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
Laptops usually get pushed back in the update scheme.pjcamp - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
I'd give all that up for the ability to put a live tile on the desktop. I use a third party app to keep Windows 7 gadgets running because a calendar reminder isn't very useful if I have to remind myself to open the start menu to see it.lmcd - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
This is a good look at the update for the consumer "Home" SKU, which many users are using. However, for me personally this is single-handedly the best update Windows 10 has had. This update adds two excellent features for developers.For Android Developers, this release launches the Windows Hypervisor platform, which allows for the Xamarin version of the Android Virtual Device Manager to run with Hyper-V enabled (or, more specifically, with Docker for Windows enabled).
Yes, the Xamarin AVD version is still in Beta. No, your rebuttals cannot be heard over the sound of my rejoicing.
For C++ Windows developers, this release adds C++/WinRT, which removes a lot of the constraints around consuming UWP APIs from C++ code, and adds support for UWP CLI tools.
While I haven't explored exactly what the latter does yet, I believe (along with the current UWP API surface area improvements) that the ChakraCore-derived version of Node + NPM could be completely packaged as UWP apps for system-wide use.
draknon - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
Microsoft was nice enough to return the edge shortcut to my desktop. I guess they thought I may have accidently deleted it (it wasn't on accident). Also, they changed the audio options when you right click on the speaker icon in the task bar. I used to be able to go directly to the playback/recording devices from here. But now, the only option is to choose sounds and then click over to the playback tab afterwards. It's another step which gets annoying.elopescardozo - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
I was contacted by a friend that after the upgrade to 1803, his Excel would crash at the first attempt to enter something in a cell. Turns out that this is a known feature : 1803 kills several older Excel versions. Apparently. Microsoft is not planning to repair this. It is either incredibly sloppy programming or a malicious way to force people to upgrade their Microsoft Office. Is this how they recuperate the "free" OS updates?Personally, I hate the way to "simplify" Windows by making active controls unrecognizable: links in the settings menue are generally gray without any indication that they are clickable. Someone should explain that a workstation is not a telephone or a tablet end never will be.
ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
Product is End of Life. But the issue is 'Security Update for Microsoft Excel 2002 (KB2541003)'t.s - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
One feature that android (on and off) and linux have that windows and mac/ios doesn't have: dark theme/mode. It would be nice too, if ms edge have inverse color that chrome has (extensions).ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
Windows 10 has a dark mode across the entire system. MacOS is currently about to implement a dark theme. Selecting Settings > Personalization > Colors, Then at the bottom select "Dark" under Choose your default App mode. As for enabling it within Explorer that will require changes to core files through other means. You can choose dark colors for title bars etc and save the theme under the Themes tab.tamalero - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
This patch is buggy as hell compared to the past ones for me. For example.. clicking on timeline/task view instantly crashes windows explorer. Closing all my windows.cm2187 - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
Is the start menu working now or is it one of these “hard computer science problems”?sadsteve - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
Updated 9 desktops and 2 laptops with only one problem. My AnyDesk connection to my headless SageTV server no longer works properly. It connects and just sits there waiting for the screen to update. I have to plug a monitor into the server to get it to function. I've ordered a monitor emulator to fix the issue.Icehawk - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
Ugh. RDP was changed in this update and now it’s a UWP app :( yay it doesn’t work. Thankfully the old RDP is still available if you search for it.MS for the love of god stop with the UWP crap in the OS, it looks like garbage and have half the functionality of the original ones we all know and have been using for ages. Settings can go eat a donkey dick
ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
Everything will be built into new menus and functions. You are not going to change this choice. Maybe, change platforms.croc - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
I think I am beginning to see a pattern here... Fall updates for lots of new goodies, Spring updates to clean up the mess and maybe add a gadget or two.ChristopherFortineux - Friday, June 8, 2018 - link
Process of evolving an OS. Build up features. Fix issues and resolve any messes that occur. Continue design directives.Mark Woodward - Wednesday, May 30, 2018 - link
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BigDragon - Thursday, May 31, 2018 - link
My tablet PC (Yoga 720) pulled this update down Tuesday night. I noticed when I tried to use the machine Wednesday only to be greeted with update screen after update screen. Not like I was trying to use the computer to do stuff or anything.Sadly, the update broke my microphone and mouse cursor. Took an hour to figure out why I could listen to my mic, but Discord couldn't detect or use it. Turns out disabling the "let apps use my microphone" and then turning it right back on was all that was needed. Driver and settings changes elsewhere had zero impact. As for the mouse cursor, it disappears the moment I touch the screen and never comes back. Previously, using the touchpad would cause the mouse cursor to come back. Now it's just permanently gone. Windows no longer distinguishes between touch and touchpad input.
This has been one frustrating update. Definite regression in features I use. I don't use any of the stuff outlined as changes and additions in this article.
anand4568 - Tuesday, June 12, 2018 - link
The latest update of Windows 10 is named as Redstone 4 and the version of the update is 1803. This update is not so big but it has improved the performance of Windows 10 a lot. The update has started rolling in batches on April 30, 2018. The start menu has changed a bit, performance of Cortana has been improved, Action center has been improved, Desktop Timeline has been added, a new game bar has been added. Lots of other changes are there. If you need more support you can check <a href="https://microsoftsupport.co/microsoft-support-uk&q... Tech Support UK</a>