You may have told us before about the inability of the software to change the color, but I missed it. Thank you for doing so again. I am aware of the stratospheric bandwidth usage at Anand, and that is because you guys rock. Thanks for the excellent articles, and keep up the good work Wesley. I won't mention the colors again.
TrogdorJW - The flash charts are much smaller than JPEG would be but I don't have any numbers to share. Email Jason Clark, who does our IT reviews, and I'm sure he can give you some idea of the bandwidth savings.
Damn, Wesley... this is the first I've heard of this, and after looking back at the charts, I am only now discovering that you use Flash files for the graphs. Cool! I'm guessing that there's a Java application that is used to generate the graphs from some spreadsheet? Or are all the graphs generated in real time? Meaning, if there were an error in a graph, like a misplaced decimal or something, could you simply update the spreadsheet, or do you have to run the Java Graph utility as well? Either way, that's pretty friggin' cool. But then, I'm a programmer geek and like seeing such uses of technology.
If you don't mind answering, how large are the generated graph files? I would guess that in JPEG format they would be on the order of 30-50K each. What sort of savings do you get out of this?
Anyway, back to the memory being tested here. After the results not too long ago showing that low latency DDR400 timings with a 5:4 ratio on a P4 resulted in similar performance to 1:1 ration and higher timings, I really don't see much need for these "faster" DIMMs right now. My Mushkin can run 2-3-2-6 at PC3200, which is pretty close to the top. Seems like I can just run the system bus faster while keeping the memory bus at 400 MHz (200 MHz, actually) and still get similar performance. Or is that only the case with P4 systems?
Probably PMI and OCZ go through the same manfacture like Dell or Alienware Laptops aren't really design by them. They just buy laptops from Clevo or Compro and retag their names on them. Creative Labs and PNY video card are retaged MSI cards. The only thing I see PMI copying is the packaging, if the price is lower then OCZ I would buy PMI.
They're never going to make it. Not with a name like Pmi and a logo with nice rounded letters and a halo(?) around the 'i'. With all the big companies as close as they are at the top why would you buy this when you could have cool looking names like "HyperX" or "OCZ" on your memory?
Ok, I'm just kidding. It's weird how there's suddenly so much memory that is so close right around the top. I bet pricing plays the biggest factor in their success.
#2 - As I have explained several times, as Editors we can't do a thing about the lack of bar color. We want it as much as you do. Our current Graphing Engine which is used to generate the Java Charts does not have that capability. We have been promised this WILL be an option in an upcoming upgrade to the Graphing Engine.
We use Java charts because they use less bandwidth than any other charting option. If you look at the traffic on AnandTech you can appreciate how precious ANY bandwidth savings is to us - and to your browsing speed.
Write Anand or Jason Clark with your complaints. I do understand the charts would be MUCH more readable if the reviewed item was in a different color. Unfortunately I can't do a thing about it - but Anand and Jason can.
Are you guys too cheap to buy a new box of crayons or what? Would it kill you to have colored the PMI bar red on the graphs? Could I please just get an explanation so I can quit complaining about this every time you post a new article? Why is my dinghy smaller after I go swimming? Why cant I buy pork boullion? Why cant I buy toast in the store? I think you guys are smart enough to answer all of these questions but you are too stingy to share your genius. Elitists!
Funny how the memory sector has gotten so competitive lately. It seems as though just a year ago my only choices were Corsair, Geil, Kingston, or Samsung; of those four, Corsair was the top. Either I missed all the other competitors, or they just weren't as highly ranked as they are now.
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KillaKilla - Saturday, March 27, 2004 - link
[q]Why is my dinghy smaller after I go swimming? Why cant I buy pork boullion? Why cant I buy toast in the store?[/q]I too would like to know! Damnit, wes, Stop witholding information from the public!
bldkc - Friday, March 26, 2004 - link
color, color, color. Did I mention that I'm a sociopathic liar?bldkc - Friday, March 26, 2004 - link
You may have told us before about the inability of the software to change the color, but I missed it. Thank you for doing so again. I am aware of the stratospheric bandwidth usage at Anand, and that is because you guys rock. Thanks for the excellent articles, and keep up the good work Wesley. I won't mention the colors again.Visual - Friday, March 26, 2004 - link
The graphs really could use some colour coding though.Wesley Fink - Thursday, March 25, 2004 - link
TrogdorJW -The flash charts are much smaller than JPEG would be but I don't have any numbers to share. Email Jason Clark, who does our IT reviews, and I'm sure he can give you some idea of the bandwidth savings.
TrogdorJW - Thursday, March 25, 2004 - link
Damn, Wesley... this is the first I've heard of this, and after looking back at the charts, I am only now discovering that you use Flash files for the graphs. Cool! I'm guessing that there's a Java application that is used to generate the graphs from some spreadsheet? Or are all the graphs generated in real time? Meaning, if there were an error in a graph, like a misplaced decimal or something, could you simply update the spreadsheet, or do you have to run the Java Graph utility as well? Either way, that's pretty friggin' cool. But then, I'm a programmer geek and like seeing such uses of technology.If you don't mind answering, how large are the generated graph files? I would guess that in JPEG format they would be on the order of 30-50K each. What sort of savings do you get out of this?
Anyway, back to the memory being tested here. After the results not too long ago showing that low latency DDR400 timings with a 5:4 ratio on a P4 resulted in similar performance to 1:1 ration and higher timings, I really don't see much need for these "faster" DIMMs right now. My Mushkin can run 2-3-2-6 at PC3200, which is pretty close to the top. Seems like I can just run the system bus faster while keeping the memory bus at 400 MHz (200 MHz, actually) and still get similar performance. Or is that only the case with P4 systems?
RuStYwAvE - Thursday, March 25, 2004 - link
Probably PMI and OCZ go through the same manfacture like Dell or Alienware Laptops aren't really design by them. They just buy laptops from Clevo or Compro and retag their names on them. Creative Labs and PNY video card are retaged MSI cards. The only thing I see PMI copying is the packaging, if the price is lower then OCZ I would buy PMI.RuStYwAvE - Thursday, March 25, 2004 - link
kamper - Thursday, March 25, 2004 - link
They're never going to make it. Not with a name like Pmi and a logo with nice rounded letters and a halo(?) around the 'i'. With all the big companies as close as they are at the top why would you buy this when you could have cool looking names like "HyperX" or "OCZ" on your memory?Ok, I'm just kidding. It's weird how there's suddenly so much memory that is so close right around the top. I bet pricing plays the biggest factor in their success.
Pumpkinierre - Thursday, March 25, 2004 - link
Go on wesley, now that you're off the beaten track, get hold of some of that 2-3-3-6 Xtreme DDR PC3700+ (http://www.xtremeddr.com/products/x_pc3700+.shtml) and tell me if it is any good.Wesley Fink - Thursday, March 25, 2004 - link
#2 -As I have explained several times, as Editors we can't do a thing about the lack of bar color. We want it as much as you do. Our current Graphing Engine which is used to generate the Java Charts does not have that capability. We have been promised this WILL be an option in an upcoming upgrade to the Graphing Engine.
We use Java charts because they use less bandwidth than any other charting option. If you look at the traffic on AnandTech you can appreciate how precious ANY bandwidth savings is to us - and to your browsing speed.
Write Anand or Jason Clark with your complaints. I do understand the charts would be MUCH more readable if the reviewed item was in a different color. Unfortunately I can't do a thing about it - but Anand and Jason can.
bldkc - Thursday, March 25, 2004 - link
Are you guys too cheap to buy a new box of crayons or what? Would it kill you to have colored the PMI bar red on the graphs? Could I please just get an explanation so I can quit complaining about this every time you post a new article? Why is my dinghy smaller after I go swimming? Why cant I buy pork boullion? Why cant I buy toast in the store? I think you guys are smart enough to answer all of these questions but you are too stingy to share your genius. Elitists!Praeludium - Thursday, March 25, 2004 - link
Now if only XGI had had this kind of showing...Funny how the memory sector has gotten so competitive lately. It seems as though just a year ago my only choices were Corsair, Geil, Kingston, or Samsung; of those four, Corsair was the top. Either I missed all the other competitors, or they just weren't as highly ranked as they are now.