Microsoft should display a permanent warning on systems with main screens below 1080p or whcih are known to have TN panels. "Your system has a low screen resolution." "Your screen may have a narrow viewing angle and poor color." Terrible screens are a bane of the PC market and manufacturers need to be discouraged from putting them out on the market.
They should also put up a warning for systems with spinning rust as the boot disk and only 4GB of RAM. Both are disgusting and frankly unacceptable in a 2018 machine.
Windows 10 indeed offers extremely poor experience on mechanical disk drives but this is hardly the fault of HDDs - previous iterations of Windows used to work much better ("just fine"). Windows 10 only brings additional built-in spyware, uglier and more dysfunctional UI and lower performance so M$ is the one to blame.
I'd take the opportunity to trash Lenovo, but unfortunately HP isn't much better and I'm a huge HP fan. They still use the opportunity to put 768p TN panel's in their sub-$300 laptops all the way up through Elitebook 840's ($1000+ laptops.)
It's just ridiculous, I mean, at what point is inventory going to be dried up of this antiquated crap. Is AU Optronics still actually manufacturing 13.3-15.6" TN panels!? WHY!?
Because they don't have the awful blue glow of IPS. TN actually has come a long way on viewing angles and color. It's not nearly the problem it was 4 years ago.
Sitting in front of my 2 IPS displays, what awful blue glow are you speaking of? And color was never a TN problem, I had a wide gamut HP 24" 1200p display (ca. 2007?) which used a TN panel (making it quite excellent as a gaming monitor for the time). Viewing angles are the thing people absolutely hate and that has improved compared to low end stuff from 10 years ago, but it is not on par with the other technologies. And the IPS I sit in front has no blue glow and only slight shimmering in the corners when looking at an absolutely dark picture. The large TN panels I used had contrast changes and color changes even when looking directly straight at them.
You've used bad IPS panels and, evidently, none of the panels under discussion here. I'd take a blue glow over the quality of the TN displays in the laptops under discussion here. Even the HP ones have 600:1 or worse contrast ratios, ~60% sRGB gamut and viewing angles that require constant re-positioning of the display every time you move your head.
High-end TN panels on desktop screen are "okay". These are not.
Not all IPS has an awful blue glow. Some have a neutral grey glow (o_O).
I have not heard of a TN panel that has improved viewing angles in any meaningful way. There are, however, some nice TN displays that have good color accuracy and good coverage of the sRGB color space. Color issues were not an inherent failing of the TN technology, but rather the outcome of equipping a (cheap) TN display with only 6 bits of color depth per color. Similar color issue can be found on VA and IPS type displays with the same color depth.
Reading the comments below, I have to assume that I never used a TN panel quite as bad as what people are mentioning. I'll be more specific with my statement. I can see a color gradient when displaying a solid color on a 24" or larger TN display. This was true a decade ago and (in my experience) has not changed in any meaningful way despite the availability of rather higher quality TN displays today.
I've actually found the opposite - years ago when TN was still what you'd get in high end laptops, effort was put in to tuning them, now they're what you get when scrounging for razor margin display deals. A lot of new laptops with TN look worse than old high end laptops with TN, because it's relegated to the low end now.
I see a lot of comments along a similar vein here. While I've never been to mainland China I can say after visiting Taipei this sort of device is not a change in the status quo. You see this kind of low end, minimum in as many ways possible, device all over the place there. The people know what they're getting and they know their budget. I'd say in many ways the consumers there are more well informed on average than the consumers here.
Don't worry, we'll get our Western machines that cost twice as much and have all of the nice-to-have essentials. There's no reason to make bad experiences worse to harm the low end segment.
Frankly I think HDDs are the single biggest contributor to poor user impressions of "PCs", way more so than cheap panels. They get used to the speed and responsiveness of a modern smartphone/tablet, and then they fire up a $400-600 laptop with a spinner and think wow, PCs are garbage!
If they get a cheap model and the display isn't as nice, they are more likely to blame that on the cheap display and not the platform as a whole. It's like buying an ultracheap TV, most people can at least grok that much. The 1TB HDD and 4GB of RAM isn't going to pop into their head when they're lamenting what garbage it is compared to their iGalaxyPhoneXX.
Have to agree here. If a $400 PC responds slower than a $200 tablet, people aren't going to have warm and fuzzy feelings about their purchase ... unless they are burning it ... out of spite.
Really this is the fault of Windows more than the hard drive. I hate having to deal with linux but when I need to salvage data off of a dying drive Windows is out of the question. A slow to respond drive, even if there's no reason to access it, slows down every aspect of Windows for no good reason. It's absolutely stupid. Many times you really can't get around needing to do a lot of things on the disk, then it's the fault of the disk. I just feel that Windows deserves some blame for making the user experience unnecessarily worse.
Somehow, laptops have got more expensive and less responsive in Windows compared to 10 years ago. I had a Windows XP netbook that was pretty snappy in 2008. Now Windows 10 slows to a crawl on anything except expensive hardware.
Even with XP's humble hardware requirements I had bad experiences with pre 2010 laptops. The abundance of SSDs even in the sub $500 category sometimes is a dream come true. Ten years ago SSDs were $10,000 for a hundred gigabyte drive.
That's definitely part of it. Ideapad's are a joke, probably the worst quality machine you can buy (yes, even over Acer) but everyone is using TN panels still and a lot of them are 1366x768, even mid-range HP's and Dell's where they milk you $50-$80 to upgrade to a FHD+ panel.
If anything MS is part of the problem. For big laptop/aio/desktop makers they've got a half dozen pricing tiers for windows (x2 for home vs pro) depending on what the system specs are.
This gives them some ability to nudge the pc market in the ways they want it to go, eg pricing 13" non garbage screen at a lower tier than 15" non-garbage screen's been a nudge to swap 15" 768p models for 13.3" 900/1080p in the $500-700 range that gets a lot of boxmart sales from people wanting something other than the cheapest crappiest PC out there.
OTOH a 786p screen qualifies for one of the cheapest pricing tiers at either size.
More gallingly, the absolute cheapest price requires only using 32GB of eMCC flash, despite the fact that anything other than a fresh W10 install will struggle to install major updates without the assistance of a thumb drive for extra working storage space.
For many people's eyes, 768p is just fine on 13" and lower. And it saves power compared to even FHD. And colors are just fine on TN for business, unless your business is a photo booth maybe (but even then...)
HDD is not fine. 4GB is not fine for 64-bit OS. Single-channel memory on dual core is just sad.
On 13" and lower, everything on 1080p is too small from the laptop distance (arms are comfortably on the keyboard, 2ft+). So 125% fonts. Here goes the "estate". And battery life is still lower (GPU and display controller still pushing out twice as many pixels).
@CSMR: "Microsoft should display a permanent warning on systems with main screens below 1080p or whcih are known to have TN panels. "Your system has a low screen resolution." "
I think you have the right idea, but Windows 10 is DPI aware. Why don't we focus in on that instead of absolute resolution. After all, a 1080p display at 30" is still a poor viewing experience and 1600x900 is certainly more palatable in an 10" display than a 15" display.
"Awful" doesn't begin to describe it. I have a Lenovo IdeaPad from 2010 with the same panel. It's nearly a decade later and Lenovo is still using that junk, when IPS screens are abundant and cheap. Yet another reason to avoid the brand, or at least the IdeaPad line.
It should be more power efficient though (i.e. consume less power at the same clock or clock higher at the same power). The base clock of this CPU is pretty low, but if it is quite power efficient it will retain its boost clock for a longer time.
U CPUs do, RTFA, this SKU is base 2.2 turbo 3.1. The issue is how broken 10nm is and whether leakage ruins the theoretical benefit from the shrunken transistors, but the similarity to the 14nm 8130U is not at all encouraging... same 15W power limit + same base + lower turbo despite disabled IGP !!!
Even if it has great power efficiency, they kill much of the benefit to end users by equipping it with a battery that is only capable of 5hrs operation. Also, i3 processors haven't historically had a boost clock, though I see there is a question about that in the article.
The chip itself will be fine, and an OK step up on power savings and horsepower from 14+++(+)+ The real question is how many Intel will sell, and at what cost. 10nm chips are going to be low volume and very expensive to start as they are reportedly having big yield issues. My bet is that we will see a lot of i7 parts with bad cores cut out being sold as i3 and Pentiums at a high price for the next year or so, while the higher end chips will continue being 14nm for a bit yet.
... That or Intel's marketing team will once again decide that i7 on mobile will be even more crap than it already often is (seriously, some of these are Celeron levels of performance!), and sell them for top dollar. Especially now that they are not afraid to sell i9 chips. i3 becomes the new i7, i5 becomes the i9, and i7 becomes the iForever!
Well this one is just a lowly dual core, but Intel's current 15W mobile quads are actually good performers at least on the CPU side. Granted, if you have to rely on integrated graphics, the Ryzen quads are definitely better overall - good enough single threaded performance, good multi-threaded performance, and superior graphics.
A lot of people suggest coupling low-power discrete graphics with the 15W Intel chips to give them the chops to beat Ryzen Mobile all around. If the price point is right that can definitely be a great solution. The only issue is that it does bump power consumption a lot, and that is a drawback for an entry-level Ultrabook that rarely is addressed. For higher-power systems obviously that doesn't really matter much.
"Nothing can compete to Ryzen mobile APU's. (sic)"
That depends on whether you care about gaming at all or GPU compute because if you don't you are paying too much for features you don't need with possibly worse thermals and battery life. #GamingMyopic
I use adobe Lightroom, which runs like balls on Intel Integrated graphics - it's faster on a bloody smartphone! That's the only example I can give from personal experience.
Remember intel was at rush releasing the hedt x299 this is the same case. They have nothing to response to amd apu. I feel the manufacturer being used by intel.
But I am surprise they put the AMD GPU into thing that small - unless it setup like the i8705G in the XPS 15 2in1. Cannon Lake does have new function over the 14nm CPU's.
Well at least they can make products with 10nm that can ship to consumers but , I am bit worried , 2+0 at 2.2base and only 3.1 boost :S. Intel must be almost giving these away because that are some underwhelming specs and you are forced to team it up with a dGPU.
They probably want to field test these CPUs to iron out possible bugs so that they are more confident about their more lucrative CPUs that will follow. Lab testing is nice but nothing beats field testing. I expect the firmware of this CPU to be early beta as well.
Seriously? Everything downgraded and asking for that price tag is called ripoff or walletripper because spec and quality are being taken away. If they make comparable stat with amd apu their laptop would have been how much ? 800 to 1000 dollars. Intel want to start a price war bring out cheap laptop
Then lenovo launch ryzen 2200u, 4GB single channel mem 1 slot, 15.6" 1366x768, upgrade path just spinning disk, with pricing start from $699. That would be epic!
Weird indeed. It's almost like their 10nm process has such bad yield that they can't find many dies with BOTH the CPU and GPUs on them all working properly...
Could be an error in an early design, which they refuse to fix as they know they won't ever go into mass production with this chip, but rather the one after Cannon Lake.
maybe 5hr battery life, not a good thing, "thin and light" but prone to overheat, performance limited etc etc etc......while the price looks "ok from the specs" when you look at it more closely
I like how they're suggesting a 2.1kg laptop is feather light. I doubt many women (outside of crossfit heroes) could hold that heavy of a laptop in one hand for long.
The 2.1kg (4.62lbs) spec is less weight than many purses. It shouldn't be a problem in some kind of carrying bag. Also, people don't often use a laptop while holding it in one hand. Defeats the purpose of having the keyboard. They put it on the table, their lap (o_O), or get a tablet ... most of the time (notable exception: photo shoots for advertising purposes).
It's essentially the Core i5 7200U. Same TDP, same core config, same turbo speeds, slightly lower base clock. It's nothing but a die shrink, making it cheaper for Intel. If Ryzen G hadn't happened, this probably would be the i5 8200u.
"We've never before seen Intel commercially use low-end processors to introduce a new manufacturing process, although this might be the norm from now on." it's normal thing that manufacturer use simple structures and smaller SoC's while trying to improve yields on new manufacturing process as less of those will be defected & naturally it won't trow working one's away. "It doesn't solve the question as to how Intel's 10nm process is coming along" obviously not so good.
Intel is truly taking their sweet time to 10nm: - Dual core instead of quad. - Disabled integrated graphics. I guess the graphics drivers team are busy with something else?! - Single vendor - Lone chip for 10nm.
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thexile - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
God, what an awful display.CSMR - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Microsoft should display a permanent warning on systems with main screens below 1080p or whcih are known to have TN panels. "Your system has a low screen resolution." "Your screen may have a narrow viewing angle and poor color." Terrible screens are a bane of the PC market and manufacturers need to be discouraged from putting them out on the market.r3loaded - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
They should also put up a warning for systems with spinning rust as the boot disk and only 4GB of RAM. Both are disgusting and frankly unacceptable in a 2018 machine.Alexvrb - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Better, put a warning on the desktop and start menu that can't be removed by the OEM."Warning! HDD in use as primary storage! Expect a poor experience from this device!"
Arnulf - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
Windows 10 indeed offers extremely poor experience on mechanical disk drives but this is hardly the fault of HDDs - previous iterations of Windows used to work much better ("just fine"). Windows 10 only brings additional built-in spyware, uglier and more dysfunctional UI and lower performance so M$ is the one to blame.Tkan215 - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
We are moving back to the past.Samus - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
I'd take the opportunity to trash Lenovo, but unfortunately HP isn't much better and I'm a huge HP fan. They still use the opportunity to put 768p TN panel's in their sub-$300 laptops all the way up through Elitebook 840's ($1000+ laptops.)It's just ridiculous, I mean, at what point is inventory going to be dried up of this antiquated crap. Is AU Optronics still actually manufacturing 13.3-15.6" TN panels!? WHY!?
patrickjp93 - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
Because they don't have the awful blue glow of IPS. TN actually has come a long way on viewing angles and color. It's not nearly the problem it was 4 years ago.Death666Angel - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
Sitting in front of my 2 IPS displays, what awful blue glow are you speaking of? And color was never a TN problem, I had a wide gamut HP 24" 1200p display (ca. 2007?) which used a TN panel (making it quite excellent as a gaming monitor for the time). Viewing angles are the thing people absolutely hate and that has improved compared to low end stuff from 10 years ago, but it is not on par with the other technologies. And the IPS I sit in front has no blue glow and only slight shimmering in the corners when looking at an absolutely dark picture. The large TN panels I used had contrast changes and color changes even when looking directly straight at them.Spunjji - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
You've used bad IPS panels and, evidently, none of the panels under discussion here. I'd take a blue glow over the quality of the TN displays in the laptops under discussion here. Even the HP ones have 600:1 or worse contrast ratios, ~60% sRGB gamut and viewing angles that require constant re-positioning of the display every time you move your head.High-end TN panels on desktop screen are "okay". These are not.
BurntMyBacon - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
Not all IPS has an awful blue glow. Some have a neutral grey glow (o_O).I have not heard of a TN panel that has improved viewing angles in any meaningful way. There are, however, some nice TN displays that have good color accuracy and good coverage of the sRGB color space. Color issues were not an inherent failing of the TN technology, but rather the outcome of equipping a (cheap) TN display with only 6 bits of color depth per color. Similar color issue can be found on VA and IPS type displays with the same color depth.
BurntMyBacon - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
Reading the comments below, I have to assume that I never used a TN panel quite as bad as what people are mentioning. I'll be more specific with my statement. I can see a color gradient when displaying a solid color on a 24" or larger TN display. This was true a decade ago and (in my experience) has not changed in any meaningful way despite the availability of rather higher quality TN displays today.tipoo - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
I've actually found the opposite - years ago when TN was still what you'd get in high end laptops, effort was put in to tuning them, now they're what you get when scrounging for razor margin display deals. A lot of new laptops with TN look worse than old high end laptops with TN, because it's relegated to the low end now.willis936 - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
I see a lot of comments along a similar vein here. While I've never been to mainland China I can say after visiting Taipei this sort of device is not a change in the status quo. You see this kind of low end, minimum in as many ways possible, device all over the place there. The people know what they're getting and they know their budget. I'd say in many ways the consumers there are more well informed on average than the consumers here.Don't worry, we'll get our Western machines that cost twice as much and have all of the nice-to-have essentials. There's no reason to make bad experiences worse to harm the low end segment.
Alexvrb - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Frankly I think HDDs are the single biggest contributor to poor user impressions of "PCs", way more so than cheap panels. They get used to the speed and responsiveness of a modern smartphone/tablet, and then they fire up a $400-600 laptop with a spinner and think wow, PCs are garbage!If they get a cheap model and the display isn't as nice, they are more likely to blame that on the cheap display and not the platform as a whole. It's like buying an ultracheap TV, most people can at least grok that much. The 1TB HDD and 4GB of RAM isn't going to pop into their head when they're lamenting what garbage it is compared to their iGalaxyPhoneXX.
BurntMyBacon - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
Have to agree here. If a $400 PC responds slower than a $200 tablet, people aren't going to have warm and fuzzy feelings about their purchase ... unless they are burning it ... out of spite.willis936 - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
Really this is the fault of Windows more than the hard drive. I hate having to deal with linux but when I need to salvage data off of a dying drive Windows is out of the question. A slow to respond drive, even if there's no reason to access it, slows down every aspect of Windows for no good reason. It's absolutely stupid. Many times you really can't get around needing to do a lot of things on the disk, then it's the fault of the disk. I just feel that Windows deserves some blame for making the user experience unnecessarily worse.stephenbrooks - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
Somehow, laptops have got more expensive and less responsive in Windows compared to 10 years ago. I had a Windows XP netbook that was pretty snappy in 2008. Now Windows 10 slows to a crawl on anything except expensive hardware.willis936 - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
Even with XP's humble hardware requirements I had bad experiences with pre 2010 laptops. The abundance of SSDs even in the sub $500 category sometimes is a dream come true. Ten years ago SSDs were $10,000 for a hundred gigabyte drive.HStewart - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
I would not entirely blame this on Microsoft, Lenovo in my opinion is problem here - Ideapad are extremely cheap especially in their screensSamus - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
That's definitely part of it. Ideapad's are a joke, probably the worst quality machine you can buy (yes, even over Acer) but everyone is using TN panels still and a lot of them are 1366x768, even mid-range HP's and Dell's where they milk you $50-$80 to upgrade to a FHD+ panel.DanNeely - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
If anything MS is part of the problem. For big laptop/aio/desktop makers they've got a half dozen pricing tiers for windows (x2 for home vs pro) depending on what the system specs are.This gives them some ability to nudge the pc market in the ways they want it to go, eg pricing 13" non garbage screen at a lower tier than 15" non-garbage screen's been a nudge to swap 15" 768p models for 13.3" 900/1080p in the $500-700 range that gets a lot of boxmart sales from people wanting something other than the cheapest crappiest PC out there.
OTOH a 786p screen qualifies for one of the cheapest pricing tiers at either size.
More gallingly, the absolute cheapest price requires only using 32GB of eMCC flash, despite the fact that anything other than a fresh W10 install will struggle to install major updates without the assistance of a thumb drive for extra working storage space.
peevee - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
For many people's eyes, 768p is just fine on 13" and lower. And it saves power compared to even FHD. And colors are just fine on TN for business, unless your business is a photo booth maybe (but even then...)HDD is not fine. 4GB is not fine for 64-bit OS. Single-channel memory on dual core is just sad.
Kvaern1 - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
In my experience 768p is also terrible for business.Mostly everything is putting 1080p screen estate to good use these days.
peevee - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link
On 13" and lower, everything on 1080p is too small from the laptop distance (arms are comfortably on the keyboard, 2ft+). So 125% fonts. Here goes the "estate". And battery life is still lower (GPU and display controller still pushing out twice as many pixels).Tkan215 - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Yeup everything is poor in this design . i rather spend few more hundred to buy high quality then staring at this screen will break my visionmr_tawan - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
"I need a way to turn it off" -- corporate user with 2x 1280*1024 screen.BurntMyBacon - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
@CSMR: "Microsoft should display a permanent warning on systems with main screens below 1080p or whcih are known to have TN panels. "Your system has a low screen resolution." "I think you have the right idea, but Windows 10 is DPI aware. Why don't we focus in on that instead of absolute resolution. After all, a 1080p display at 30" is still a poor viewing experience and 1600x900 is certainly more palatable in an 10" display than a 15" display.
peevee - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
"Your screen may have a narrow viewing angle "Sometimes it is what is needed.
kaidenshi - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
"Awful" doesn't begin to describe it. I have a Lenovo IdeaPad from 2010 with the same panel. It's nearly a decade later and Lenovo is still using that junk, when IPS screens are abundant and cheap. Yet another reason to avoid the brand, or at least the IdeaPad line.Tkan215 - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Made in china brand. Levono want their businessCaedenV - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
16" and just over 720p... sounds like a nice HD display to me hahahahahahaLolimaster - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Nothing can compete to Ryzen mobile APU's.Cannon is just a mere die shrink, which was supposed to be the 14nm+++++++++(+). No IPC gains, nothing.
Santoval - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
It should be more power efficient though (i.e. consume less power at the same clock or clock higher at the same power). The base clock of this CPU is pretty low, but if it is quite power efficient it will retain its boost clock for a longer time.benedict - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Just because it should be, doesn't mean it actually is.Spunjji - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
i3 chips don't have boost clocks!bennyg - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
U CPUs do, RTFA, this SKU is base 2.2 turbo 3.1. The issue is how broken 10nm is and whether leakage ruins the theoretical benefit from the shrunken transistors, but the similarity to the 14nm 8130U is not at all encouraging... same 15W power limit + same base + lower turbo despite disabled IGP !!!bennyg - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
correction fwiw, Intel state 8131U turbo up to 3.2 (article report from computerbase.de is wrong) https://ark.intel.com/products/136863/Intel-Core-i...BurntMyBacon - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
Even if it has great power efficiency, they kill much of the benefit to end users by equipping it with a battery that is only capable of 5hrs operation. Also, i3 processors haven't historically had a boost clock, though I see there is a question about that in the article.CaedenV - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
The chip itself will be fine, and an OK step up on power savings and horsepower from 14+++(+)+The real question is how many Intel will sell, and at what cost. 10nm chips are going to be low volume and very expensive to start as they are reportedly having big yield issues. My bet is that we will see a lot of i7 parts with bad cores cut out being sold as i3 and Pentiums at a high price for the next year or so, while the higher end chips will continue being 14nm for a bit yet.
... That or Intel's marketing team will once again decide that i7 on mobile will be even more crap than it already often is (seriously, some of these are Celeron levels of performance!), and sell them for top dollar. Especially now that they are not afraid to sell i9 chips. i3 becomes the new i7, i5 becomes the i9, and i7 becomes the iForever!
Alexvrb - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Well this one is just a lowly dual core, but Intel's current 15W mobile quads are actually good performers at least on the CPU side. Granted, if you have to rely on integrated graphics, the Ryzen quads are definitely better overall - good enough single threaded performance, good multi-threaded performance, and superior graphics.A lot of people suggest coupling low-power discrete graphics with the 15W Intel chips to give them the chops to beat Ryzen Mobile all around. If the price point is right that can definitely be a great solution. The only issue is that it does bump power consumption a lot, and that is a drawback for an entry-level Ultrabook that rarely is addressed. For higher-power systems obviously that doesn't really matter much.
smilingcrow - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
"Nothing can compete to Ryzen mobile APU's. (sic)"That depends on whether you care about gaming at all or GPU compute because if you don't you are paying too much for features you don't need with possibly worse thermals and battery life.
#GamingMyopic
Cooe - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
GPU performance is useful in a freaking crap ton more places than just gaming & GPU compute. #GPUmyopicsmilingcrow - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Such as?#TypicalRandomVagueBSWithNoReference
Spunjji - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
I use adobe Lightroom, which runs like balls on Intel Integrated graphics - it's faster on a bloody smartphone! That's the only example I can give from personal experience.mr_tawan - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
I think Windows use GPU for window composite and such. Many 2d graphics applications (eg. Adobe's) leverage GPU for many thing.Of course, MS word does not require Titan XP....
Tkan215 - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Remember intel was at rush releasing the hedt x299 this is the same case. They have nothing to response to amd apu. I feel the manufacturer being used by intel.HStewart - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
But I am surprise they put the AMD GPU into thing that small - unless it setup like the i8705G in the XPS 15 2in1. Cannon Lake does have new function over the 14nm CPU's.Tkan215 - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
We will know we it grt deliddedEris_Floralia - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
http://www.moepc.net/content/uploadfile/201805/a90...Here's detailed specs from lenovo.
4GB on board memory + 1x SODIMM (up to 8GB).
2cell 30/35Wh battery, 65W AC adapter.
plopke - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Well at least they can make products with 10nm that can ship to consumers but ,I am bit worried , 2+0 at 2.2base and only 3.1 boost :S. Intel must be almost giving these away because that are some underwhelming specs and you are forced to team it up with a dGPU.
Alexvrb - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Yeah I'd say this chip is solid evidence their delayed 10nm node is still jacked up.Tkan215 - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
3.1ghz wont be on all the time. We compare the base clock if we dont want to damage our systemWinterCharm - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Those specs, plus that god awful low resolution TN panel are literally the cancer of the PC world. Eww.guidryp - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Why would Intel even bother? Having a small 2+0 CPU on the market only serves to point out how horrifically bad Intel 10nm process must be.lefty2 - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Because they promised it would be in products in 2018. They had to squirt something out otherwise they would have been sued.Santoval - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
They probably want to field test these CPUs to iron out possible bugs so that they are more confident about their more lucrative CPUs that will follow. Lab testing is nice but nothing beats field testing. I expect the firmware of this CPU to be early beta as well.name99 - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Oh give me a break.Intel felt no need for this sort of crippled roll-out back in the days when their process was working well.
Tkan215 - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Seriously? Everything downgraded and asking for that price tag is called ripoff or walletripper because spec and quality are being taken away. If they make comparable stat with amd apu their laptop would have been how much ? 800 to 1000 dollars. Intel want to start a price war bring out cheap laptopt.s - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Then lenovo launch ryzen 2200u, 4GB single channel mem 1 slot, 15.6" 1366x768, upgrade path just spinning disk, with pricing start from $699. That would be epic!peterfares - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
What a weird chip. Why would they not have the iGPU enabled on such a low-end chip? Those are the ones which need iGPUs the most.name99 - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Weird indeed.It's almost like their 10nm process has such bad yield that they can't find many dies with BOTH the CPU and GPUs on them all working properly...
MrSpadge - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Could be an error in an early design, which they refuse to fix as they know they won't ever go into mass production with this chip, but rather the one after Cannon Lake.ajp_anton - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
I thought i3 didn't have turbo. So this is just going to be a 2.2GHz CPU.Ian Cutress - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
This is what I was thinking as well, hence the question mark.Dayman1225 - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
The 8th Gen i3 8130U has a turbo boost of 3.4GHz.We know the 8121U has a boost of 3.1~ GHz because of Geekbench 4
https://twitter.com/jfpoole/status/987424310393430...
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/6246745.gb4
dgingeri - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
The 8th gen i3 does, and the 8th gen Pentiums have HT but no turbo. They raised the bar a little.Dragonstongue - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
here is an idea, stop pushing junk out LOL.maybe 5hr battery life, not a good thing, "thin and light" but prone to overheat, performance limited etc etc etc......while the price looks "ok from the specs" when you look at it more closely
F that ^.^
sorten - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
I like how they're suggesting a 2.1kg laptop is feather light. I doubt many women (outside of crossfit heroes) could hold that heavy of a laptop in one hand for long.BurntMyBacon - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
The 2.1kg (4.62lbs) spec is less weight than many purses. It shouldn't be a problem in some kind of carrying bag. Also, people don't often use a laptop while holding it in one hand. Defeats the purpose of having the keyboard. They put it on the table, their lap (o_O), or get a tablet ... most of the time (notable exception: photo shoots for advertising purposes).dgingeri - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
It's essentially the Core i5 7200U. Same TDP, same core config, same turbo speeds, slightly lower base clock. It's nothing but a die shrink, making it cheaper for Intel. If Ryzen G hadn't happened, this probably would be the i5 8200u.Tkan215 - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
Wow only 5 hours of battery life. 2 cores without graphic is noBurntMyBacon - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
It defeats the purpose of getting the newer, more power efficient(?) chip if you cheap out on the battery.piroroadkill - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
Wow, we're really back to 15" 1366×768 TN panels again? I had hoped they were dead.ZolaIII - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
"We've never before seen Intel commercially use low-end processors to introduce a new manufacturing process, although this might be the norm from now on." it's normal thing that manufacturer use simple structures and smaller SoC's while trying to improve yields on new manufacturing process as less of those will be defected & naturally it won't trow working one's away. "It doesn't solve the question as to how Intel's 10nm process is coming along" obviously not so good.WorldWithoutMadness - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
15.6 with 768p, Lenovo should spare people from eye suffering.BurntMyBacon - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
Those antiquated displays cause eye cancer - Futuramapeevee - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
2.2GHz, 2 cores.65nm Cure Duo - welcome to 2005!
peevee - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
Or is it 90nm Pentium D? Nah, that one clocked from 2.66GHz...Yomama6776 - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link
What about a Pentium 3?zodiacfml - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
Intel is truly taking their sweet time to 10nm:- Dual core instead of quad.
- Disabled integrated graphics. I guess the graphics drivers team are busy with something else?!
- Single vendor
- Lone chip for 10nm.
Bulat Ziganshin - Monday, May 14, 2018 - link
Ian, can you please test Cannon Lake against SkyLake in terms of IPC? In particular, does it host 1 or 2 AVX512 blocks?hoohoo - Tuesday, May 15, 2018 - link
Hahahahahahahaha!!!!1366x768!
Intel getting the AMD laptop treatment! This must be a really amazing processor!
HStewart - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link
A Cannonlake Y chip is spot with both Intel and AMD graphics - my bet it is similar to the 870xG series with EMiBhttps://twitter.com/TUM_APISAK
So the rumors that Intel can not include its own GPU on 10nm could be wrong.