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  • arayoflight - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    I'm pretty sure that the primary sensor is IMX 519, not the 363. Can you please check that?
  • Ian Cutress - Thursday, May 17, 2018 - link

    Yeah, some confusion there. OnePlus never sent us a specifications list in advance, nor did we get a chance to do some proper testing of the phone outside our prebriefing where we weren't allowed to take pictures. It was all done last minute; other media had samples in advance, but for some reason we weren't on that list. But it was odd not to get a spec list.
  • techie_007 - Monday, May 21, 2018 - link

    Ian, quick Q: is a full review coming? If so, any timelines? Thinking of pulling the trigger and just wanted some details on camera quality etc with the thorough Anandtech take. All missing stuff aside, this is prob the most VFM SD845 option this generation. Only competition in this range will be the Mi8 once it launches.
    PS: I am based in India, so we do get decent phones for a change, and the Pixel 2 XL/s9/iphones are double the price of the 1+6.
  • nicolaim - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    IMHO, wireless charging is a must-have feature, so any phone that doesn't have it doesn't make the cut.
  • jjj - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    So the phone of the day is the Nokia x6, same idiotic notch+bezel but at least with a 200$ device it's easier to accept any shortcomings.
  • jjj - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    err , was not supposed to be a reply.
    While at it though, contact based wireless charging is rather pointless. Contacless is emerging now from folks like Energous but might take a while before we see it in phones and charging such a device at substantial distances is rather difficult.
  • Cellar Door - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    Pointless to you - clearly not millions of people that use it. Guess who's opinion matters?
  • windywoo - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    What about the millions more who don’t?
  • Sttm - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    You mean the ones who do not have a device that support it.

    I can't imagine anyone getting a wireless pad and having the freedom of no cords wanting to return to cords.

    I am never going back myself. The only time I use a cord now is in the truck for Android Auto, and even then I am hopping my next truck has a wireless charging pad above the dash and the new wifi based Android Auto.
  • NewBro - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    I'm actually that one person. Got a wireless charger for free with the S6 edge back then. At first it was pretty awesome, but then i discover fast charging and never went back. Sure being wireless is great but for me I would take speed > wireless every time.
  • santz - Thursday, May 17, 2018 - link

    pretty sure they have fast charging wireless pads now
  • philehidiot - Thursday, May 17, 2018 - link

    They do, I have one. They aren't as fast as fast cable charging. I use the wireless for bedside charging (as when I'm mashing around blindly in a morning to shut the damn thing up it's easy to pull everything else with it as the cable clotheslines everything on the table) and if I'm in a rush I just plug in to the Samsung fast charger. Wireless is great for convenience in one sense but also a pain if you want to use it whilst charging. I tried wireless right back with the palm pre and never really caught on. These days I think there are solid arguments for both. The main one for me being reducing usage of the USB port which takes a hammering especially with headphones and so on now using it. If you want to be using that port multiple times a day, it strikes me as a potential point of failure.
  • njbh86 - Wednesday, May 30, 2018 - link

    I'm the person you can't imagine. At least with my S7, the wireless pad was really fussy about the positions it would charge the phone in, and after one-too-many nights where my phone didn't charge and thus was dead and my alarm didn't work, I went back to cable charging. I'm not anti-wireless charging but it is not a dealbreaker, and it doesn't bother me in the least that the OP6 doesn't have it. Would it be nice to have it? Sure! But cables work fine, and I care about the phone functionality and price a hell of a lot more.
  • piroroadkill - Thursday, May 17, 2018 - link

    Contact based is great.
    It's all about saving those USB ports... these damn smartphones need constant charging.
    Knackering a USB port would prematurely put a device out of commission.
    It's an absolute must these days, and I have no idea why it wasn't universally adopted after Palm introduced the Pre with the FANTASTIC touchstone charger. That was back in 2009!!!!
  • FunBunny2 - Thursday, May 17, 2018 - link

    "Contacless is emerging now "

    What!!! you mean Tesla was right?
  • JoeyJoJo123 - Thursday, May 17, 2018 - link

    The Tesla-pandering amongst the "techy" community is particularly disgusting these days. No, Tesla was not right at the time. It's only decades after his death that the technology is advanced enough to support some of his theories today.
  • niva - Thursday, May 17, 2018 - link

    Tesla was not right at the time, but he WAS right?

    The Tesla denialists have always been a particularly disgusting bunch, back when he was alive, and now.
  • MetallicPras - Friday, May 18, 2018 - link

    I think the United States government and federal agencies treatment of Tesla and his life's work after he died makes it particularly difficult to call anyone who is pro-Tesla "disgusting".
  • epdm2be - Saturday, May 19, 2018 - link

    I take it you're not one of these ‘descerning users’ :-)
  • MDD1963 - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    How *did* anyone survive without wireless charging oh so long ago back in the dark ages! :/
  • epdm2be - Saturday, May 19, 2018 - link

    Charging pins weren't as fragile as these goddamn micro-USB-ports! Things improved a lot with type-C but I still think its not sturdy enough.
  • mr_tawan - Thursday, May 17, 2018 - link

    IMHO, wireless charging is not really a necessity. More like luxery some people enjoy.
  • Notmyusualid - Friday, May 18, 2018 - link

    I'll second this.
  • nikon133 - Sunday, May 20, 2018 - link

    Completely agree.

    After using various Lumias in the last 5 years, just cannot imagine using wired charging on daily basis. Have wireless charger at home, at work... planing to put one in my car (unless I get car with one built in).

    Still have work phone with USB charging... due to replacement later this year... and should I even say that next one will have wireless charging. I get reminded how much I appreciate wireless charging every time I have to dig out USB cable under papers and what not on my desk. At least phone has type-c port so I don't have to check cable orientation, but still... such a nonsense.

    Even iPhones have become interesting to me again, with introduction of wireless charging for 8 and X.
  • dezonio2 - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    Something doesn't add up. The Sony IMX 363 is listed on wiki @ 12.2 MP. Is there a special version they have or did the specs get misprinted somewhere?
  • cknobman - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    So they added 3 features no one wanted or asked for

    1. Useless glass design. Why make the back glass if you wont add wireless charging?

    2. Notch. There is still a bottom bezel so whats the point of the notch???

    3. Higher price: This is going to be $20-50 more expensive than the 5T, why? You have not added anything of value, in fact you made the device even more fragile.

    OnePlus is now another "me too" but with fewer features than the companies its trying to copy.
    This is total fail.
  • epdm2be - Saturday, May 19, 2018 - link

    "...citing the OP user base as inspiration for many of the new design features,..."

    I guess they didn't read you enquiry as well ;-)

    Yeah, I'm in the same boat as you. Still looking for some other of those "new design features" though. Glass back is just one "design feature" (and a bad one at that).

    Oh wait... they moved one (1) button to the other side o/t phone! Yeps, that must be the other of the many "new design features"! >:->
  • Sluzeinc - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    according to their website the rear sensor is an IMX 519, it uses UFS 2.1 2 stage storage, 6 GB / 8 GB LPDDR4X, and its 699 CAD to start (white with 128GB is 769 CAD

    Not a bad price, considering an LG G6 w/32GB is $900 with no tab in Canada
  • phoenix_rizzen - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    Wow, that is a great price for the internals that you get. Rare to find an up-front price for a phone here in the Great White North for less than $900 CAD. Still more than I'd be willing to pay up-front ($400 is about the limit), but it's getting there.

    Now, where are all the ~5" phones with 1080p screens and SD660/670 SoCs? 3-4 GB of RAM, 64 GB of storage, and uSD slot? That's what we need more of around here!
  • Ian Cutress - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    Yeah, some confusion there. OnePlus never sent us a specifications list in advance, nor did we get a chance to do some proper testing of the phone outside our pre-briefing. It was all done last minute; other media had samples in advance. But it was odd not to get a spec list.
  • Sluzeinc - Thursday, May 17, 2018 - link

    I would update the article to include the fact that it is UFS 2.1 and not eMMC - that is a pretty big distinction.
  • epdm2be - Saturday, May 19, 2018 - link

    Ian, you already questioned some of the "design features". What would happen if you actually got that spec-list and start asking too much technical questions? Especially those technical details that felt weird and strange.

    I can imagine some exec running out the room crying for mommy when you'd ask too much about a certain "gaming mode".

    In fact it looks that you got more details about how the different looks were achieved than what's inside and how it works. Isn't that suspicious?
  • Dr. Swag - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    I'm fine with a glass back, except they didn't add wireless charging. OnePlus, we didn't add glass backs because we wanted our phones to crack easier. We added them because metal backs don't allow wireless charging...
  • NICOXIS - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    So slight camera improvement and 0.27 inches of additional useless screen? The only real upgrade here is the 845 SoC..really dissapointing. I'd take the 5t for 400 in a heartbeat...
  • Bob-o - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    Heh, wireless charging. . . I look over at my Touchstone charger every now and again. . . It just worked out of the box with the Palm Pre2 I had, and was so convenient. . . 8 frikkin' years ago. I wish this industry would prioritize things that are actually meaningful to me instead of the junk they focus on.
  • serendip - Thursday, May 17, 2018 - link

    And that phone didn't have a glass back that shatters on the first drop. There's nothing wrong with a polycarbonate back.
  • piroroadkill - Thursday, May 17, 2018 - link

    Yeah, the touchstone is a thing of beauty. The way to snaps on at convenient angles with magnets...
  • epdm2be - Saturday, May 19, 2018 - link

    "...actually meaningful to me instead of the junk they focus on..."

    Sorry fella, they can notch do that for the sake of their shareholders! :-)

    Sorry, couldn't resist.
  • Alistair - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    I really hope we see more phones with 90hz or higher screens. That's really the only new feature I was hoping Oneplus might add.
  • tuxRoller - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    Soooooooo why the all glass design? Just looks? It's such a crap heat conductor.....
  • Cliff34 - Wednesday, May 16, 2018 - link

    I agreed with you that their answer to not have wireless charging is weak. It is great for people who use it. For those who don't, you don't lose anything. Cost wise should be negligible. If it cuts into margin, just increase the sales prices by a few bucks.
  • leo_sk - Thursday, May 17, 2018 - link

    The notch is really disturbing. There is always an argument put that just turning the whole area dark hides it. But this also means that the statusbar no more changes colour with the apps, and i find that disturbing too. I just hope that the next generation completely renounces the notch
  • epdm2be - Saturday, May 19, 2018 - link

    what is REALLY disturbing is that these phones don't have a bloody notification led anymore.
    Sure, you can do something useful for notifications with an Amoled screen but has OP actually thought of that? A coloured dot next to the notch or some small animation (e.g. a knight rider moving blip as a notification)
  • leo_sk - Thursday, May 24, 2018 - link

    Iphones use camera flash, but its too distracting. Your idea of small dot on an amoled screen appears good. If possible why not add a notification number indicator or a few app icons
  • 4everalone - Thursday, May 17, 2018 - link

    A couple of things I hope you touch upon you final review of this device:

    1) More details on waterproofing since I already had to get my 5T repaired due to damage from just sitting on a kitchen island with some water on its surface while the 5T had the carbon fiber look case on it.

    2) DRM Widevine capability level to allow high resolution playback. The 5T had to get this installed through an RMA process. I'm hoping this will be a nonissue this time.

    3) the silent/vibrate textured rocker is extremely hard to operate with the above mentioned case. I'm hoping its easier on the 6

    4) Camera improvements in real world situations.

    5) AT&T VOLTE doesn't work on the 5T. Same deal with the 6? I believe TMobile has no issues.
  • 4everalone - Thursday, May 17, 2018 - link

    More than a "couple" of things. :D
  • pjcamp - Thursday, May 17, 2018 - link

    I can almost understand a glass back to enable wireless charging, but this doesn't have wireless charging. So why glass? Mindless aping of Apple? To enable a new revenue stream for repairs? Yarbles.
  • epdm2be - Saturday, May 19, 2018 - link

    "....To enable a new revenue stream for repairs?...."

    Ssssst! Don't give them any ideas. Next they'll ditch that free clear bumper-case from the retail-box! :-)
  • [email protected] - Thursday, May 17, 2018 - link

    Summary:

    No WIreless Charging
    No IP rating
    Not sure about sd card

    options:
    No replaceable battery
    easily cracked front and back

    FAIL!!
  • Native7i - Friday, May 18, 2018 - link

    I have doubt that ‘descerning user’ asked for a notch.
  • epdm2be - Saturday, May 19, 2018 - link

    "...citing the OP user base as inspiration..."
    Aha, so that's why you made a phone with a notch while we, the OP userbase, specifically told the world and dog that we DON'T like it!

    "...The OP audience, or ‘descerning user’ as was described, require more screen..."
    You sirs, are making this up! I NEVER filled in that enquiry with regards to "more screen" since you never send it to me (nor any other ‘descerning users’) :-/

    "...to give it a ceramic look but still with the benefits of an all-glass design..."
    Then why not give is true ceramic? I'm sure it has the SAME benefits (read: inductive charging) of an all-glass design PLUS better durability. Oh... wait. The OP6 doesn't even have inductive charging... right!

    "...I feel these arguments are fairly weak, given that wireless charging is not an alternative to wired charging, it is an addition to it..."
    It seems Mr. Cutress has more functioning braincells than OP's management. At least he knows when company-executives are talking BS!

    "...if and when the infrastructure for wireless charging is more widespread..."
    WTH... what "infrastructure"? Individual users buy that optional charging pad and that's it. There IS no wireless charging infrastructure, idjits!

    "...When asked what percentage of users correlates to such a customer demand, it was said that many factors go into such a decision and a simple number doesn’t do the decision making justice..."
    So the requests of these ‘descerning users’ only matters when it suits them. Great, yet another company pushing their crap upon us under false pretences! This will obviously affect my ‘descerning wallet’!

    "...Unfortunately, our rep had no further details on this, although I would assume they meant that the OS was loading pre-compiled shaders, rather than using the GPU to issue..."
    I assume that you were talking to a marketeer not an engineer?

    I see that there's still no IR-blaster?
    I see that there's still no micro-SD-card slot?

    I think that I'll step out o/f "OP audience". This company keeps spreading BS and IMHO has lost most of its credibility due to their past actions. Their models aren't even interesting anymore, they have absolutely no distinguishable feature at all.

    So thanks mr. Cutress for this "hands-on". It's an interesting read but I'm afraid it's just that.
  • Arbie - Sunday, May 20, 2018 - link

    No micro-SD, no sale. Oh and I'm starting to want wireless charging too. Don't want glass back.
  • amosbatto - Wednesday, May 23, 2018 - link

    OnePlus seems to just want implement the latest "style" without thinking about whether that style adds any practical utility.

    There is no reason to use a glass back which makes the phone more fragile if there is no wireless charging.

    There is no reason to have a non-removable battery (except to promote planned obsolescence) if the phone is not water proof.

    We have gotten to a point where most so-called "innovation" in cell phones is actually a step back in terms of practical utility.

    Bezelless design means a very fragile phone with no bezel to protect the phone during drops. It means no front facing speakers. It means a notch in the screen, which means less area in the notification bar at the top. All it does is add more vertical pixels in 19:9 screens, which just drain the battery faster and add very little to the functionality of the phone, since it is the number of horizontal pixels that is critical for most applications.
  • ChiChinChilla - Thursday, May 24, 2018 - link

    The 5 has a fingerprint sensor on the front of the phone and not on the back.
  • GoMoeJoe - Thursday, May 24, 2018 - link

    " I feel these arguments are fairly weak..."

    I don't expect this kind of &^%$ from Anandtech.
  • GoMoeJoe - Thursday, May 24, 2018 - link

    Stick to objective technical assessments and ditch the feelings ...
  • dsrsojib71 - Friday, May 25, 2018 - link

    this might can be helps you https://www.techaffix.com/oneplus-6-specification/

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