Why do you say high performance 2.5 inch SATA SSDs may be hard to find? Is this a reference to a type of drive other than ones such as the Samsung Evo 860?
I have no clue about embedded cpu market but can anyone give some possible explanations about why they ended up with a AMD Excavator cpu. What does make these so appealing.
99.99% of the time is just managing data, which is not a CPU intensive task. Embedded CPUs have long life cycles, 7-10 years or more, with guaranteed hardware stability and specific features. For non-personal NAS deployments that have a cycle of this level, having that stability is a must for QNAP's customers. The embedded market has long cycles and focuses on stability once a minimum performance level has been reached.
Seems quite simple why if you think about it, AMD probably has a boatload of these chips around and a need to get rid of them. Heat and power is not much a problem because there aren't many very CPU intensive tasks to do her.
They probably gave them to QNAP for almost nothing...
lol base garbage reply and commented by another garbage reply.
why AMD soc? oh dear really you think it all needs to be intel to be good? Actually the socs from AMD do pretty well in these markets due to there much better graphical performance while single thread CPU power is not the focus of these markets.
While I don't disagree that this chip should be perfectly capable of doing its intended job, I have to wonder how AMD's superior graphical performance is supposed to help with a product that doesn't even have video outputs. I'm pretty sure that neither the file system tasks, nor the TCP/IP stack are being offloaded to the GPU.
Also many of the low power (Atom/Puma/etc) DDR4 variants do not support ECC. For low power the previous generation seems to be a better match. I don't know whether this unit supports ECC or not though. In this segment AMD typically uses a little more juice but the chipsets (or SoC) usually offer more PCIe lanes or integrated SATA ports which can make for cheaper solutions.
I see something like this starting near $2000 (2GB model). Sometimes simplicity of having everything in one box makes sense, but the costs of doing so often do not.
Then you could set it up with a 6-disk RAID6 array (3.5") and a 4-disk RAID10 array (2.5"). And use the QTier thing to migrate data between the two as needed.
5-disk RAID6 array is awkward, and you really don't want to use RAID5 with the size of drives these days.
Because you can have it up and running in 15 minutes after it arrives. Plus all its functions are there ready to use. Home brew at this level? No thanks.
How long has it been now since aquantia showed off their 10gbe switches? A year? I keep seeing new products like this with 10gbe and I just don't understand what is taking so long for those switches to come out. I sure would love to give them my money.
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stuffwhy - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link
Why do you say high performance 2.5 inch SATA SSDs may be hard to find? Is this a reference to a type of drive other than ones such as the Samsung Evo 860?Kjella - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link
The "latter" would be referring to high performance HDDs, which has pretty much died as a category after SSDs arrived.plopke - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link
I have no clue about embedded cpu market but can anyone give some possible explanations about why they ended up with a AMD Excavator cpu. What does make these so appealing.Ian Cutress - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link
99.99% of the time is just managing data, which is not a CPU intensive task. Embedded CPUs have long life cycles, 7-10 years or more, with guaranteed hardware stability and specific features. For non-personal NAS deployments that have a cycle of this level, having that stability is a must for QNAP's customers. The embedded market has long cycles and focuses on stability once a minimum performance level has been reached.novastar78 - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link
Seems quite simple why if you think about it, AMD probably has a boatload of these chips around and a need to get rid of them. Heat and power is not much a problem because there aren't many very CPU intensive tasks to do her.They probably gave them to QNAP for almost nothing...
duploxxx - Friday, May 11, 2018 - link
lol base garbage reply and commented by another garbage reply.why AMD soc? oh dear really you think it all needs to be intel to be good? Actually the socs from AMD do pretty well in these markets due to there much better graphical performance while single thread CPU power is not the focus of these markets.
gave them for free, boat load of chips. its a specific chip design :) just like Xbox and PS. Those are also garbage right because they are not intel based
https://www.amd.com/Documents/AMDGSeriesSOCProduct...
BurntMyBacon - Friday, May 11, 2018 - link
While I don't disagree that this chip should be perfectly capable of doing its intended job, I have to wonder how AMD's superior graphical performance is supposed to help with a product that doesn't even have video outputs. I'm pretty sure that neither the file system tasks, nor the TCP/IP stack are being offloaded to the GPU.jospoortvliet - Saturday, May 12, 2018 - link
Maybe transcode video? I must say it is a stretch...praeses - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link
Also many of the low power (Atom/Puma/etc) DDR4 variants do not support ECC. For low power the previous generation seems to be a better match. I don't know whether this unit supports ECC or not though. In this segment AMD typically uses a little more juice but the chipsets (or SoC) usually offer more PCIe lanes or integrated SATA ports which can make for cheaper solutions.BurntMyBacon - Friday, May 11, 2018 - link
The memory modules listed on QNAP's website are not ECC modules, so I'd guess the platform does not support ECC modules.anactoraaron - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link
I see something like this starting near $2000 (2GB model). Sometimes simplicity of having everything in one box makes sense, but the costs of doing so often do not.phoenix_rizzen - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link
Really needs one more 3.5" bay.Then you could set it up with a 6-disk RAID6 array (3.5") and a 4-disk RAID10 array (2.5"). And use the QTier thing to migrate data between the two as needed.
5-disk RAID6 array is awkward, and you really don't want to use RAID5 with the size of drives these days.
nexsuslab - Friday, May 11, 2018 - link
... I'd like it to have redundant power supplies .., given the cost of the objectSharpEars - Friday, May 11, 2018 - link
Seriously, why would you buy a NAS for a ridiculous price with a crap CPU [APU] (AMD GX-420MC) instead of building your own?jabber - Saturday, May 12, 2018 - link
Because you can have it up and running in 15 minutes after it arrives. Plus all its functions are there ready to use. Home brew at this level? No thanks.oRAirwolf - Sunday, May 13, 2018 - link
How long has it been now since aquantia showed off their 10gbe switches? A year? I keep seeing new products like this with 10gbe and I just don't understand what is taking so long for those switches to come out. I sure would love to give them my money.Quilleneva - Tuesday, May 15, 2018 - link
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