All these new RAM kits are absolutely useless at their current prices. $300 US for 16GB! In 2016 I paid $300 CDN for 64GB.
When are these outrageous prices going to end. Between RAM, SSD and video cards, it seems that building a fast PC is no longer possible for less that $3000.
Jesus, I know. $300 for 16GB. I have 16GB of DDR4-3000 which was $90 when I put my Ryzen 7 system together. Four times the price == hard pass. Fortunately the GPU prices are coming down a stitch - they're closer to MSRP than they've been in about a year and a half now. SSD's IMHO though aren't too bad. You can get a 256GB SSD these days for $90ish. 512GB for $140/150.
tell me about it, my brother built a top to bottom build for Ryzen 1700 when it first came out (case-motherboard-cpu-ram-ssd+nvme+HDD+psu+monitor+ram+gpu+OS+keyboard/mouse etc) cost him just a wee bit over $2k CAD shipped, if I were to build a similar build would cost minimum of $3200 give or take with a very limited availability of Radeon choices.
Radeon everything, except for and even including the "base" crappy for any moerate high end game RX 550 are all overpriced 25-300% range.
it is disgusting, really wish I had the $ to have picked up an RX 570 8gb when they were very close to the price they should have been (on par with the official USD price level instead of current ~$50 +ship/tax or more)
I cannot build a new computer today for any amount of money that is faster than my 35 Watt Dualcore Sandy Bridge when running Windows XP
New computers are not Windows compatible, nor are they "personal" computers as they are simply locked down Spyware Platforms that prevent the end user from doing whatever they want on their own machine
Today, they only allow you to do whatever Microsoft allows you to do
You ARE allowed to hand over all your personal data to Microsoft so they can sell it to the Government and you ARE allowed to use "your" computer after you agree to blackmail, but I'm not sure those are benefits
Yea he does have a bit of a point but I also got stuck when he mentioned Windows XP. With that said the other day I was trying to do a task to a customers hard drive on my Windows 10 test bed machine and it would not allow me to do it for my own protection it kept on saying. I finally ended up putting the customer hard drive on a Windows 7 Pro system test bed and I was able to do the task fine and apparently I didn't need any protection from Windows 10...lol
I just built a system asus prime pro x470 ryzen 5 2600x samsung 970 pro 512gb NVME crucial mx500 1tb m2sata seasonic 750w psu 16gb corsair lpx 3000 cl15 ram reused my rx580 GPU..
subtracting the cost of win10 it was about 1,600$ all the parts from newegg or amazon
Hi TitanX, You just built almost the exact system I'm planning on putting together. I have all the parts but the CPU/RAM/MOBO, still saving my pennies.
Can I ask what CPU you upgraded from? I'm still getting by with an FX 6350 I bought when new (because I'm a hopeless underdog supporter and masochist), and am curious if the 2600X will give my RX 580 more room to run, or if I need to upgrade GPU to get any noticeable gaming improvement.
Eh, I just built a new top end PC which was $1,400 + video card (I reused a 970). 8800k, good case & mobo, 16gb, 1tb ssd, 600w fanless psu (could easily shave $100 off the build here). Water cooled because why not.
So glad I don’t need a video card for another gen or two.
I have two 290X 8GB cards I run in CF. Which TBF is pointless in all but a few games. I thought about selling it as I can get what I paid for it. I bought them new on sale but theyre selling used for about the same price. It's insane! Or I could build another system for the wife and get her out of my office. LOL
I don't have a need for a new build yet... My 3930K+32GB DDR3+Radeon RX 580 8GB still handles everything I throw at it. Glad I jumped on the RX 580 when they were RRP... Saved a big chunk of coin.
If my math is correct, these run at 4.59 nano seconds. Which is pretty good, but the 3600 RAM is faster at 4.44 ns. People get caught up in the higher speeds, but when the CL creeps up too fast it can actually slow memory access.
Actual DRAM access time is 10x longer than that. People need to stop claiming that DRAM effective latency = CL x Bitrate. They are directly proportional but not equal.
DDR4 3200 CL16 is fairly typical for Hynix memory. When the DDR4 3600 memory has the same timings as the DDR4 3200 memory, that just shows the 3200 stuff is relatively weak stuff.
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DanNeely - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
Ugh. Even for something as stupid as frag harder lights, the colors in that last picture are absolutely hideous.sa666666 - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
All these new RAM kits are absolutely useless at their current prices. $300 US for 16GB! In 2016 I paid $300 CDN for 64GB.When are these outrageous prices going to end. Between RAM, SSD and video cards, it seems that building a fast PC is no longer possible for less that $3000.
bill.rookard - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
Jesus, I know. $300 for 16GB. I have 16GB of DDR4-3000 which was $90 when I put my Ryzen 7 system together. Four times the price == hard pass. Fortunately the GPU prices are coming down a stitch - they're closer to MSRP than they've been in about a year and a half now. SSD's IMHO though aren't too bad. You can get a 256GB SSD these days for $90ish. 512GB for $140/150.Dragonstongue - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
tell me about it, my brother built a top to bottom build for Ryzen 1700 when it first came out (case-motherboard-cpu-ram-ssd+nvme+HDD+psu+monitor+ram+gpu+OS+keyboard/mouse etc) cost him just a wee bit over $2k CAD shipped, if I were to build a similar build would cost minimum of $3200 give or take with a very limited availability of Radeon choices.Radeon everything, except for and even including the "base" crappy for any moerate high end game RX 550 are all overpriced 25-300% range.
it is disgusting, really wish I had the $ to have picked up an RX 570 8gb when they were very close to the price they should have been (on par with the official USD price level instead of current ~$50 +ship/tax or more)
ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
I cannot build a new computer today for any amount of money that is faster than my 35 Watt Dualcore Sandy Bridge when running Windows XPNew computers are not Windows compatible, nor are they "personal" computers as they are simply locked down Spyware Platforms that prevent the end user from doing whatever they want on their own machine
Today, they only allow you to do whatever Microsoft allows you to do
You ARE allowed to hand over all your personal data to Microsoft so they can sell it to the Government and you ARE allowed to use "your" computer after you agree to blackmail, but I'm not sure those are benefits
Makaveli - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
I stopped reading after you said you are still using Windows XP.rocky12345 - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
Yea he does have a bit of a point but I also got stuck when he mentioned Windows XP. With that said the other day I was trying to do a task to a customers hard drive on my Windows 10 test bed machine and it would not allow me to do it for my own protection it kept on saying. I finally ended up putting the customer hard drive on a Windows 7 Pro system test bed and I was able to do the task fine and apparently I didn't need any protection from Windows 10...lolTitanX - Wednesday, May 30, 2018 - link
I just built a systemasus prime pro x470
ryzen 5 2600x
samsung 970 pro 512gb NVME
crucial mx500 1tb m2sata
seasonic 750w psu
16gb corsair lpx 3000 cl15 ram
reused my rx580 GPU..
subtracting the cost of win10 it was about 1,600$ all the parts from newegg or amazon
SuperiorSpecimen - Wednesday, May 30, 2018 - link
Hi TitanX,You just built almost the exact system I'm planning on putting together.
I have all the parts but the CPU/RAM/MOBO, still saving my pennies.
Can I ask what CPU you upgraded from?
I'm still getting by with an FX 6350 I bought when new (because I'm a hopeless underdog supporter and masochist), and am curious if the 2600X will give my RX 580 more room to run, or if I need to upgrade GPU to get any noticeable gaming improvement.
Thanks man!
willis936 - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
Hardware is too expensive to consider new builds but at least LEDs have never been cheaper!Icehawk - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
Eh, I just built a new top end PC which was $1,400 + video card (I reused a 970). 8800k, good case & mobo, 16gb, 1tb ssd, 600w fanless psu (could easily shave $100 off the build here). Water cooled because why not.So glad I don’t need a video card for another gen or two.
Manch - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
I have two 290X 8GB cards I run in CF. Which TBF is pointless in all but a few games. I thought about selling it as I can get what I paid for it. I bought them new on sale but theyre selling used for about the same price. It's insane! Or I could build another system for the wife and get her out of my office. LOLStevoLincolnite - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
I don't have a need for a new build yet... My 3930K+32GB DDR3+Radeon RX 580 8GB still handles everything I throw at it. Glad I jumped on the RX 580 when they were RRP... Saved a big chunk of coin.'nar - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
If my math is correct, these run at 4.59 nano seconds. Which is pretty good, but the 3600 RAM is faster at 4.44 ns. People get caught up in the higher speeds, but when the CL creeps up too fast it can actually slow memory access.willis936 - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
Actual DRAM access time is 10x longer than that. People need to stop claiming that DRAM effective latency = CL x Bitrate. They are directly proportional but not equal.msroadkill612 - Tuesday, May 29, 2018 - link
My intuition tells me to favor mem clock over 15 vs 16 CL rating.Ryzen also sets it's vital Fabric clock from memory.
3466 w/ CL16 seems worth the extra ~$30 on 16GB.
On the other hand, i like the sound of 3200? ram that gets by on 1.2v vs 1.35v too.
I would be interested to hear your comments?
Targon - Friday, June 1, 2018 - link
DDR4 3200 CL16 is fairly typical for Hynix memory. When the DDR4 3600 memory has the same timings as the DDR4 3200 memory, that just shows the 3200 stuff is relatively weak stuff.