I hope that the 905P can bring prices down. It's probably wistful thinking, but it would be nice. I'd like to pick one up at the beginning of next year, and prices will definitely be impacting if I can squeeze it in, or drop it in favor of other key upgrades.
I was just about to say the same thing. Considering how the Samsung 970 EVO performs and assuming the 970 Pro will perform at least a little better, they have a lot of competition from lower-cost but nearly as high performing NAND flash drives.
I don't think many are willing to pay more than double for the performance difference, especially considering those fast NAND-based drives are essentially so fast that they significantly outstrip the performance needs of current desktop applications (possible exception being video editing).
For tasks like video editing, definitely go with NAND based NVMe, since it's usually better at sustained, sequential, high queue-depth work. But there simply is no real match at what 90% of the computer is doing at low queue depths, latency & ramp up, endurance, not losing performance due to how filled up it is, etc wise that Optane offers; when a NAND NVMe does get close, it's purely because of the RAM on the NAND drive.
3d xpoint was supposed to be the future. It's been a SLOW rollout to say the least. Hope Intel gets it's groove back soon with all their missteps lately.
Admittedly, I only did some brief poking around for fusion-io, which means my knowledge on it is limited. However, it seems like striping I/O across a wide number of NAND dies. Optane was designed to be lower latency, not necessarily high sequential access speeds. I might be wrong, but I don't think it's quite right as a competitor to fusion-io
The two things special about the Fusion-IO was that it doesn't actually have a controller on it the same way most drives do now; it's run by the CPU and that it uses SLC NAND with less RAM being the crutch. Relying on the CPU more in many cases actually makes the whole thing worse performance wise. It's not a competitor for it at this point. Z-NAND, from Samsung is the real competitor since also SLC based (using MLC/TLC like SLC) and special sauce with their excellent controllers; closer to performance but cheaper.
It really depends, doesn't it. I don't think my regular workload will run into thermal limits with M.2 cards. And I appreciate the tideness of it, not having data and power cables cluttering up my SFF system (mATX, but still small). Remember, NUC style PCs can still be called desktop and they are a much different beast to workstation class dual socket machines.
Well, Let me rephrase it. M.2 is the right compromise for small form factors. For large form factors, not limited by space, we better have a more thermal robust option.
U.2 seems good and I'd like to see more drives in that format.
Fancy LEDs probably won't change the fact that this SSD will not present any noticeable performance improvement over an EVO 860 for most gamers. You have to be manipulating considerably high amounts of data to experience a significant, worthwhile, difference from the former. The bottleneck today is the Windows 10 file system. Which is still hindered by conventional legacy hard drive code.
" indicating that their M.2 slots are "Intel Optane 905P Ready"— a rather meaningless statement since Optane SSDs are standard NVMe drives the same as any flash-based drive"
Except eventual 905P M.2 SSDs might be M.2 22110 (like 4801x) and not M.2 2280 as standard NVMe drives. So the statement might simply indicate that there is 3 more cm cleared on the MB.
One question I heard is that Optane memory has 3 modes and of course it has typical memory - but also has a mode where it can be used to extended system memory. This is primary for systems that Optane memory support like latest Xeons - but also some of latest generation CPU's have support.
I am curious has any body had experience with this stuff.
The power consumption ratings of the 480GB 905P are a bit below that of the 480GB 900P, and the upper limit of the operating temperature range has been raised from 70 to 85 degrees C. These both suggest that these new 905P models are using the updated controller that's intended to enable M.2 versions.
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MajGenRelativity - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
I hope that the 905P can bring prices down. It's probably wistful thinking, but it would be nice. I'd like to pick one up at the beginning of next year, and prices will definitely be impacting if I can squeeze it in, or drop it in favor of other key upgrades.Flunk - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
I was just about to say the same thing. Considering how the Samsung 970 EVO performs and assuming the 970 Pro will perform at least a little better, they have a lot of competition from lower-cost but nearly as high performing NAND flash drives.I don't think many are willing to pay more than double for the performance difference, especially considering those fast NAND-based drives are essentially so fast that they significantly outstrip the performance needs of current desktop applications (possible exception being video editing).
CheapSushi - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
For tasks like video editing, definitely go with NAND based NVMe, since it's usually better at sustained, sequential, high queue-depth work. But there simply is no real match at what 90% of the computer is doing at low queue depths, latency & ramp up, endurance, not losing performance due to how filled up it is, etc wise that Optane offers; when a NAND NVMe does get close, it's purely because of the RAM on the NAND drive.PhrogChief - Wednesday, May 2, 2018 - link
3d xpoint was supposed to be the future. It's been a SLOW rollout to say the least. Hope Intel gets it's groove back soon with all their missteps lately.zepi - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
I wonder how these compare with something like fusion-io cards. I suppose that is the real competitor for these.MajGenRelativity - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
Admittedly, I only did some brief poking around for fusion-io, which means my knowledge on it is limited. However, it seems like striping I/O across a wide number of NAND dies. Optane was designed to be lower latency, not necessarily high sequential access speeds. I might be wrong, but I don't think it's quite right as a competitor to fusion-ioCheapSushi - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
The two things special about the Fusion-IO was that it doesn't actually have a controller on it the same way most drives do now; it's run by the CPU and that it uses SLC NAND with less RAM being the crutch. Relying on the CPU more in many cases actually makes the whole thing worse performance wise. It's not a competitor for it at this point. Z-NAND, from Samsung is the real competitor since also SLC based (using MLC/TLC like SLC) and special sauce with their excellent controllers; closer to performance but cheaper.Drazick - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
I'm happy to see support for U.2 (2.5").Those M.2 based cards impose too many drawbacks for Desktop Computer.
They are targeting laptops.
For desktop we need something much less thermally limited and U.2 seems to be better.
Death666Angel - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
It really depends, doesn't it. I don't think my regular workload will run into thermal limits with M.2 cards. And I appreciate the tideness of it, not having data and power cables cluttering up my SFF system (mATX, but still small). Remember, NUC style PCs can still be called desktop and they are a much different beast to workstation class dual socket machines.Drazick - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
Well, Let me rephrase it. M.2 is the right compromise for small form factors.For large form factors, not limited by space, we better have a more thermal robust option.
U.2 seems good and I'd like to see more drives in that format.
IntelUser2000 - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
These M.2 cards are likely for enthusiast desktops considering price and the power consumption. The size at 110mm is also quite large.The M.2 FF coming for the Datacenter oriented P4801X is useful for dense storage blade servers. The 905P M.2 is just a consumer derivative of it.
XabanakFanatik - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
It looks like you've got the priced flip-flopped in the chart under the 900P.Billy Tallis - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
Fixed. Thanks!.CheapSushi - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
Hoping to see x4 laned M.2 variants coming out soon.peevee - Wednesday, May 2, 2018 - link
At what point this thing is limited by x2? It never even uses full x1 bandwidth.yhselp - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
No U.2 option for the 960GB drive? Come on... Why? There used to be a 1.2TB U.2 drive from Intel.MajGenRelativity - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
We don't know if there will/won't be a U.2 version. It might just be shipping laterlazarpandar - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
Not interested until you can supplement your addressable memory with this.Chaser - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
Fancy LEDs probably won't change the fact that this SSD will not present any noticeable performance improvement over an EVO 860 for most gamers. You have to be manipulating considerably high amounts of data to experience a significant, worthwhile, difference from the former. The bottleneck today is the Windows 10 file system. Which is still hindered by conventional legacy hard drive code.peevee - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
" indicating that their M.2 slots are "Intel Optane 905P Ready"— a rather meaningless statement since Optane SSDs are standard NVMe drives the same as any flash-based drive"Except eventual 905P M.2 SSDs might be M.2 22110 (like 4801x) and not M.2 2280 as standard NVMe drives. So the statement might simply indicate that there is 3 more cm cleared on the MB.
HStewart - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
One question I heard is that Optane memory has 3 modes and of course it has typical memory - but also has a mode where it can be used to extended system memory. This is primary for systems that Optane memory support like latest Xeons - but also some of latest generation CPU's have support.I am curious has any body had experience with this stuff.
jameswhatson - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link
The power consumption ratings of the 480GB 905P are a bit below that of the 480GB 900P, and the upper limit of the operating temperature range has been raised from 70 to 85 degrees C. These both suggest that these new 905P models are using the updated controller that's intended to enable M.2 versions.If your PC/laptop is unable to run Bluestacks 3(The latest version), then you can try using Bluestacks 1 or Bluestacks 2 whose downloading and installing process is almost the same.
https://bluestacksguides.com/
FXi - Thursday, May 10, 2018 - link
I think there should be a 1.5TB coming as well