I guess you don't realize that FALD is a solution for panels that don't have good black levels right? ie IPS. VA panels have high native contrast because the technology has great black levels by default. I have an Eizo Foris FG2321. VA panel and it has a calibrated native contrast just shy of 4800:1. Black is black. If it were IPS black would be grey without local dimming.
Incorrect: without FALD there is no way to reach the required brightness for true HDR. Even VA panels wouldn't look too good with a maximum intensity backlight behind a black region. You need the FALD to dim the lighting when it's not needed.
I used to own a Philips BDM 4037 UW, which also had a VA panel. Does this one has as awful ghosting? I mean even movies were always blurry. I hope for Philips, that they are not using the same panel type as the 4037.
This looks like a completely new panel, both in size and technology. I also think that the specs given here are suspect, other sources have stated this monitor will have an 80Hz refresh rate.
Not the same panel. The one you speak of has a 3000R curvature to it and is 40" as opposed to being the flat 43" panel used in the monitor in this article.
I saw this on TFT Central not too long ago, but the direction this is moving toward is really good, and I hope TVs move in a similar direction as this monitor. Also, TFT Central reports contrast ratio as 4000:1, likely aided by the "32-zone edge-lit local dimming is used to support the HDR here". Also a wide color gamut, too.
Relatively decent pricing for what might be a strong contendor for a side TV optimized for gaming consoles. My only hope is that higher refresh rates, wider FreeSync ranges, and FreeSync2 come in future models. It looks really nice as a platform to build on, though.
@surt: Feels like popping into a store just to tell everybody you're not interested in buying anything. Congrats on the killer rig you use to play games at 4K 120Hz... I for one am not interested in anything under 16K, 480Hz.
It was already the slowest refresh rate in the industry (it’s 23.976 because it’s a 5:4 pulldown from NTSC which is 30Hz/100.1%, how TVs make 24 fps for movies).
Attaining 120Hz on 4k resolution from a video card ? How many cards can do that ? The 1080ti can't do that, and it's pretty expensive. I would love to game on a monitor this size. Those ultrawide monitors are kinda weird. It would be nice as a TV too. Look how simple that remote is. All the features you need and no more. ( you know how a typical 4k TV remote is, 150 useless buttons and features ).
This sounds nice. I'd be more than happy with a 24-80Hz refresh range, and the size and resolution mean that you could run it at 100% scaling. Nice. If only NVIDIA cards could run Freesync screens.
Freesync is free and Nvidia is pretty alergic to free stuff. They can't go near it. That's why they came with the G-Sync version. Same stuff, for money.
The order was not the point. What was the point is that Nvidia has a paid version for everything that others are (or would be) offering for free. Refusing to support a free standard and sticking to a proprietary (paid) one that offers no benefit outside of Nvidia marketing material is an Apple-level dick move.
And I say this as someone who really enjoys their Apple/Nvidia products.
Be sure to point me to any HDR10 enabled monitors with a true 10-bit panel, 1:4000 contrast ratio at $799 or less my way.
Also, it feels like every other week that I have to link this to someone who's autistically pedantic about the use of FRC regarding color depth: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/faq.htm#colour_depth
"An 8-bit display would offer a colour palette of 16.7 million colours. They offer a 'true' colour palette, and are generally the choice of manufacturers for colour critical displays over 6-bit panels. On the other hand modern 6-bit screens use a range of Frame Rate Control (FRC) technologies to extend the colour palette from 262,144 colours to around 16.7m. In fact on many modern panels these FRC are very good and in practice you’d be hard pressed to spot any real difference between a 6-bit + FRC display and a true 8-bit display. Colour range is good, screens show no obvious gradation of colours, and they show no FRC artefacts or glitches in normal everyday use. Most average users would never notice the difference and so it is more important to think about the panel technology and your individual uses than get bogged down worrying about 6-bit vs. 8-bit arguments."
The very fact of the matter that an 8bit + FRC monitor can attain the highest HDR10 rating of 1000 should be noted since it apparently qualifies for VESA's highest HDR10 standard right now, even over 10-bit computer monitors, should speak for itself. FRC vs no-FRC hasn't mattered for years. FRC are very good in practice today.
After experimenting with different sizes and resolutions I came back to my 40" 4k Samsung telly (KU6400). It just has better overall IQ when compared to those 32-35" 144hz gaming panels. However I figured out that my ideal screen would be curved 40" semi-ultrawide 21:10 3840x1800 100hz screen. I really wish somebody can make this screen. I think it would be a massive hit. All those ultrawides are too low, not tall enough, too narrow like noodle :-) 21:10 seems ideal to me.
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edzieba - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link
No FALD, no sale. I'd consider it a bare minimum feature for a (non OLED) display to qualify as HDR.Despoiler - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link
I guess you don't realize that FALD is a solution for panels that don't have good black levels right? ie IPS. VA panels have high native contrast because the technology has great black levels by default. I have an Eizo Foris FG2321. VA panel and it has a calibrated native contrast just shy of 4800:1. Black is black. If it were IPS black would be grey without local dimming.edzieba - Friday, April 27, 2018 - link
And that just isn't sufficient on its own for HDR, even with the 'relaxed' requirement for non-emussive displays of 20,000:1.rsandru - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
Incorrect: without FALD there is no way to reach the required brightness for true HDR. Even VA panels wouldn't look too good with a maximum intensity backlight behind a black region. You need the FALD to dim the lighting when it's not needed.zilexa - Friday, June 15, 2018 - link
According to this very extensive review, the Philips is better HDR capable and actually delivers! Compared to an Asus IPS with 384 dimming zones. https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/philips-436m6vbpab...This is mainly due to the MVA panel and its 32 dimming zones.
Alistair - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link
Tom's Hardware posted information on this monitor, and said it had an 80hz refresh rate and LFC most likely. Were they mistaken? Different model?JoeyJoJo123 - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link
Not possible. 4K 60hz is what the panel is capable of.Jedi2155 - Monday, April 30, 2018 - link
It might be 4k at 60 Hz, but also 120 Hz at 1080p. My 75" LG TV does this and I've confirmed it takes a 120 Hz input signal.rscsr90 - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link
I used to own a Philips BDM 4037 UW, which also had a VA panel. Does this one has as awful ghosting? I mean even movies were always blurry. I hope for Philips, that they are not using the same panel type as the 4037.niva - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link
This looks like a completely new panel, both in size and technology. I also think that the specs given here are suspect, other sources have stated this monitor will have an 80Hz refresh rate.JoeyJoJo123 - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link
Not the same panel. The one you speak of has a 3000R curvature to it and is 40" as opposed to being the flat 43" panel used in the monitor in this article.https://www.usa.philips.com/c-p/BDM4037UW_27/brill...
JoeyJoJo123 - Thursday, April 26, 2018 - link
I saw this on TFT Central not too long ago, but the direction this is moving toward is really good, and I hope TVs move in a similar direction as this monitor. Also, TFT Central reports contrast ratio as 4000:1, likely aided by the "32-zone edge-lit local dimming is used to support the HDR here". Also a wide color gamut, too.Low Latency
FreeSync
HDR Enabled (High Contrast, Wide Color Gamut)
4K
Relatively decent pricing for what might be a strong contendor for a side TV optimized for gaming consoles. My only hope is that higher refresh rates, wider FreeSync ranges, and FreeSync2 come in future models. It looks really nice as a platform to build on, though.
surt - Friday, April 27, 2018 - link
Not interested in anything less that 120hz.close - Monday, April 30, 2018 - link
@surt: Feels like popping into a store just to tell everybody you're not interested in buying anything. Congrats on the killer rig you use to play games at 4K 120Hz... I for one am not interested in anything under 16K, 480Hz.philehidiot - Friday, April 27, 2018 - link
Curious about the "23.976" min refresh rate for Freesync. There must be something influencing it to make it such a weird number - anyone know?willis936 - Friday, April 27, 2018 - link
It was already the slowest refresh rate in the industry (it’s 23.976 because it’s a 5:4 pulldown from NTSC which is 30Hz/100.1%, how TVs make 24 fps for movies).piroroadkill - Monday, April 30, 2018 - link
That's the standard rate for film as broadcast over NTSC.Magichands8 - Friday, April 27, 2018 - link
Up to 80hz? I'll pass. VA black crush? No thanks. Not interested in anything less than 120hz. There's just no excuse for 60hz anymore.cocochanel - Sunday, April 29, 2018 - link
Attaining 120Hz on 4k resolution from a video card ? How many cards can do that ? The 1080ti can't do that, and it's pretty expensive.I would love to game on a monitor this size. Those ultrawide monitors are kinda weird.
It would be nice as a TV too. Look how simple that remote is. All the features you need and no more. ( you know how a typical 4k TV remote is, 150 useless buttons and features ).
piroroadkill - Monday, April 30, 2018 - link
Yeah, gaming at 4K @ 120Hz. Good luck with that.zilexa - Friday, June 15, 2018 - link
It does not have VA black crush.https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/philips-436m6vbpab...Gunbuster - Friday, April 27, 2018 - link
Dear Philips, this is 2018 at what might be peak RGB and Ambilight is nowhere to be seen. Are you asleep at the wheel?Batmeat - Friday, April 27, 2018 - link
Still waiting for a monitor like this with equal or better features and better than 60hz refresh rate. 80hz overclocked?....I really don't think so.jabber - Sunday, April 29, 2018 - link
Hmm how would this look being used as a TV? I wonder...piroroadkill - Monday, April 30, 2018 - link
This sounds nice. I'd be more than happy with a 24-80Hz refresh range, and the size and resolution mean that you could run it at 100% scaling. Nice.If only NVIDIA cards could run Freesync screens.
close - Monday, April 30, 2018 - link
Freesync is free and Nvidia is pretty alergic to free stuff. They can't go near it. That's why they came with the G-Sync version. Same stuff, for money.joos2000 - Tuesday, May 1, 2018 - link
Pretty sure that Freesync was AMD's response to nVidias G-sync.close - Wednesday, May 2, 2018 - link
The order was not the point. What was the point is that Nvidia has a paid version for everything that others are (or would be) offering for free. Refusing to support a free standard and sticking to a proprietary (paid) one that offers no benefit outside of Nvidia marketing material is an Apple-level dick move.And I say this as someone who really enjoys their Apple/Nvidia products.
Simon_Says - Monday, April 30, 2018 - link
>"8-bit + FRC"Aaand pass. No point in investing in a half-assed implementation. Better to wait two/three more years for proper panels.
JoeyJoJo123 - Monday, April 30, 2018 - link
Be sure to point me to any HDR10 enabled monitors with a true 10-bit panel, 1:4000 contrast ratio at $799 or less my way.Also, it feels like every other week that I have to link this to someone who's autistically pedantic about the use of FRC regarding color depth: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/faq.htm#colour_depth
"An 8-bit display would offer a colour palette of 16.7 million colours. They offer a 'true' colour palette, and are generally the choice of manufacturers for colour critical displays over 6-bit panels. On the other hand modern 6-bit screens use a range of Frame Rate Control (FRC) technologies to extend the colour palette from 262,144 colours to around 16.7m. In fact on many modern panels these FRC are very good and in practice you’d be hard pressed to spot any real difference between a 6-bit + FRC display and a true 8-bit display. Colour range is good, screens show no obvious gradation of colours, and they show no FRC artefacts or glitches in normal everyday use. Most average users would never notice the difference and so it is more important to think about the panel technology and your individual uses than get bogged down worrying about 6-bit vs. 8-bit arguments."
The very fact of the matter that an 8bit + FRC monitor can attain the highest HDR10 rating of 1000 should be noted since it apparently qualifies for VESA's highest HDR10 standard right now, even over 10-bit computer monitors, should speak for itself. FRC vs no-FRC hasn't mattered for years. FRC are very good in practice today.
ados_cz - Monday, April 30, 2018 - link
After experimenting with different sizes and resolutions I came back to my 40" 4k Samsung telly (KU6400). It just has better overall IQ when compared to those 32-35" 144hz gaming panels. However I figured out that my ideal screen would be curved 40" semi-ultrawide 21:10 3840x1800 100hz screen. I really wish somebody can make this screen. I think it would be a massive hit. All those ultrawides are too low, not tall enough, too narrow like noodle :-) 21:10 seems ideal to me.