The E485 looks interesting, but misses one essential feature (which the HP ProBook 430 G5 has): VGA. Both of them are on the wide and deep side; 12" would be ideal for me. In other words, I would like to see a Thinkpad E130 with up-to-date components.
FWIW, I'd placed an adapter on all of each old equipments (so I can connect to these with HDMI cable instead). For projectors, I'd put a miracst devices on them.
But even though I used a T series ThinkPad for work, it still not like original IBM think pads - this computer looks more like an IdeaPad them a ThinkPad. Except for ThinkPad logo it looks like my Y50
Oh look, another pair of 2004-era low resolution laptops. Because that's what we needed, the same crap we've had, but with AMD this time.
AMD and their partners are going to force my hand. My existing laptop is on borrowed time, it hasn't had an easy life, and that's my fault. But that's not the point. I've been using well equipped 15 inch laptops with 4k screens for a few years and desktops with 4k screens before that, and 4k is one of those things that once you have it you can't really do without it. Using quadrants to have 4 1080p windows up at once is a total game changer for developer productivity, way more than any advance in processing power. But you can only get it with Intel.
Currently I'm using an Asus laptop you can get off the shelf at any Best Buy for under $1500, with a SSD + HDD, convertible, 4k touchscreen, ips panel, backlit keyboard, everything you expect in a mobile workstation class device. My upgrade path as of today is to buy the slightly updated version of the same thing, or to grab an external HDD and look into the 4k Dell XPS offering. All with Intel, all with discrete nvidia GPU that I keep disabled, but the point is I can get them as easily as I can get a pizza.
AMD and AMD partners, I want to give you my money, but you're only offering low-end and low-midrange stuff fit for the shelf at Walmart. You're not capturing hearts and minds this way.
You've got a 15 watt quad core/8 thread APU for mobile, and it can drive a 4k display without a sweat, but it only appears in low tier products designed for extremely casual gamers, facebooking grannies, and customer service line workers.
It's not jusf the resolution, the 1366x768 displays usually don't have square pixels natively, subpixel rendering techniques must be used to correct the pixel aspect ratio. Sadly, there are instances of OEMs cheaping out on the controllers too. I've seen an XPS with everything horribly stretched out as a result.
Unfortunately, these "why bother" devices entering a field that's already oversaturated will inevitably to translate to poor sales. Poor sales of these "why bother" devices entering an oversaturated field will be used as evidence that Ryzen doesn't sell well in laptops. Meanwhile, 4k Dell XPS , 4k Yogas, and 3k Macbook Pros are flying off shelves because they stand out from the crowd, and it's not because they use an Intel cpu.
The market that these ThinkPad targets do not need a 4K screen. Most, if not all of the office laptops in my company the DELL E7xxx series and all of them are 1080p screens for the past 3 years. In addition when working in the desks, we have a dual 1080p monitor set up from 21" to 24" connected to the dock where in the laptop lands. Originally they had touch screen but now decided it is too much of a problem and now non-touch screen. Similar things I have noted with my friends working in other offices. Infact looking at the choices provided Lenovo has been pretty good.
a) Dual channel SO-DIMM possible with full supported speed of 2400MHz b) Expandable battery pack c) 512 GB NVMe SSD d) Dual storage with 7200RPM HDD
Further for the people on the road. 1080p can guarantee a far higher battery life than 4K could ever do..
In my opinion this is the best and most balanced laptop that AMD can ask for and it should be openly advertizing in its Facebook feeds where in it is currently pushing the DELL inspiron 2 in 1s which use a late 2016 chassis while the newest Core models sport a 2018 chassis and less-bezel screen.....
The market that these things are in is oversaturated already. Having a sku in this range is just to get some filler, minimum effort and if you're lucky some call centers will buy a few hundred of them for logging tickets.
Ask yourself why Macbook Pro is considered a gold standard for battery life, but uses a much higher than 1080p screen, and comparable hardware to other devices.. Power consumption is a red herring, 4k monitors are power competitive with other devices in the same size ranges.
768 is rather sad, but there is some old software out there that is need (yet the support for it has gone) that just doesn't look good at all on higher resolutions.
yeh they REALLY should be using dual channel as it makes quite a bit of difference for productivity as well as absolutely for gaming, now when it is using APU style limiting it to "max" 2400 class speeds is a joke, APU thrive on as much bandwidth as you can give them, 2400 might be fine for "most things" but it very much limits the potential performance of them as well.
also, the vendors or whatever need to give larger batteries not this 6-9 hour best case scenario crud (basically minimum brightness next to no load) if they are meant to be "mobile" using performance parts they should have a fairly decent battery to back it all up 45 WH is a joke IMO I know they "all do it" but they should not be 90 or so for higher performing ones, not a problem, 45 or less for not performance ones, not a problem, but 45 or less for ones using performance parts is bloody terrible.
I wonder why ASUS doesn't have any laptop with Ryzen mobile inside since ASMedia which is a subsidiary of ASUS makes chipsets for AMD. Would be nice to see a Zenbook variant, something with a GTX1060 MaxQ and 2700U. They take it slowly because it would probably undercut all Intel offerings.
There's a seems to be ryzen version of the thinkpad edge on the way E485. You can tell by the hardware maintance manual on page 81 & 82 https://tutuappapkd.com/
Right, I need VGA for connecting to the majority of projectors that I encounter. As for dongles (aka adapters), I am certainly not going to buy a laptop that needs a dongle when my current E130 does not need one and when I can buy a HP ProBook 430 E5 that does not need one, either.
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AntonErtl - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
The E485 looks interesting, but misses one essential feature (which the HP ProBook 430 G5 has): VGA. Both of them are on the wide and deep side; 12" would be ideal for me. In other words, I would like to see a Thinkpad E130 with up-to-date components.Mr Perfect - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
What do you need VGA for? Connecting to older projectors?Tams80 - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
Yes.That and some other, mainly scientific equipment that still works fine and is very expensive to replace.
Alexvrb - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
El adaptero. You'll need one sooner or later anyway.mr_tawan - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
FWIW, I'd placed an adapter on all of each old equipments (so I can connect to these with HDMI cable instead). For projectors, I'd put a miracst devices on them.kgardas - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
That's Exxx line, now wait if Lenovo is brave enough to put Ryzen into Txxx line. That's the true business line of ThinkPads...HStewart - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
But even though I used a T series ThinkPad for work, it still not like original IBM think pads - this computer looks more like an IdeaPad them a ThinkPad. Except for ThinkPad logo it looks like my Y50brokedown - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
Oh look, another pair of 2004-era low resolution laptops. Because that's what we needed, the same crap we've had, but with AMD this time.AMD and their partners are going to force my hand. My existing laptop is on borrowed time, it hasn't had an easy life, and that's my fault. But that's not the point. I've been using well equipped 15 inch laptops with 4k screens for a few years and desktops with 4k screens before that, and 4k is one of those things that once you have it you can't really do without it. Using quadrants to have 4 1080p windows up at once is a total game changer for developer productivity, way more than any advance in processing power. But you can only get it with Intel.
Currently I'm using an Asus laptop you can get off the shelf at any Best Buy for under $1500, with a SSD + HDD, convertible, 4k touchscreen, ips panel, backlit keyboard, everything you expect in a mobile workstation class device. My upgrade path as of today is to buy the slightly updated version of the same thing, or to grab an external HDD and look into the 4k Dell XPS offering. All with Intel, all with discrete nvidia GPU that I keep disabled, but the point is I can get them as easily as I can get a pizza.
AMD and AMD partners, I want to give you my money, but you're only offering low-end and low-midrange stuff fit for the shelf at Walmart. You're not capturing hearts and minds this way.
You've got a 15 watt quad core/8 thread APU for mobile, and it can drive a 4k display without a sweat, but it only appears in low tier products designed for extremely casual gamers, facebooking grannies, and customer service line workers.
Mavendependency - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
It's not jusf the resolution, the 1366x768 displays usually don't have square pixels natively, subpixel rendering techniques must be used to correct the pixel aspect ratio. Sadly, there are instances of OEMs cheaping out on the controllers too. I've seen an XPS with everything horribly stretched out as a result.brokedown - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
Unfortunately, these "why bother" devices entering a field that's already oversaturated will inevitably to translate to poor sales. Poor sales of these "why bother" devices entering an oversaturated field will be used as evidence that Ryzen doesn't sell well in laptops. Meanwhile, 4k Dell XPS , 4k Yogas, and 3k Macbook Pros are flying off shelves because they stand out from the crowd, and it's not because they use an Intel cpu.rocketbuddha - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
The market that these ThinkPad targets do not need a 4K screen. Most, if not all of the office laptops in my company the DELL E7xxx series and all of them are 1080p screens for the past 3 years. In addition when working in the desks, we have a dual 1080p monitor set up from 21" to 24" connected to the dock where in the laptop lands. Originally they had touch screen but now decided it is too much of a problem and now non-touch screen.Similar things I have noted with my friends working in other offices.
Infact looking at the choices provided Lenovo has been pretty good.
a) Dual channel SO-DIMM possible with full supported speed of 2400MHz
b) Expandable battery pack
c) 512 GB NVMe SSD
d) Dual storage with 7200RPM HDD
Further for the people on the road. 1080p can guarantee a far higher battery life than 4K could ever do..
In my opinion this is the best and most balanced laptop that AMD can ask for and it should be openly advertizing in its Facebook feeds where in it is currently pushing the DELL inspiron 2 in 1s which use a late 2016 chassis while the newest Core models sport a 2018 chassis and less-bezel screen.....
brokedown - Thursday, April 19, 2018 - link
The market that these things are in is oversaturated already. Having a sku in this range is just to get some filler, minimum effort and if you're lucky some call centers will buy a few hundred of them for logging tickets.Ask yourself why Macbook Pro is considered a gold standard for battery life, but uses a much higher than 1080p screen, and comparable hardware to other devices.. Power consumption is a red herring, 4k monitors are power competitive with other devices in the same size ranges.
Tams80 - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
768 is rather sad, but there is some old software out there that is need (yet the support for it has gone) that just doesn't look good at all on higher resolutions.1080p is absolutely fine.
ToTTenTranz - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
Are these using the normal Ryzen Mobile or the Ryzen Pro Mobile?The mention of TPM 2.0 makes me think it's the former, which would make these the first Ryzen Pro laptops in the market.
Or do the Pro have embedded (probably just enabled) TPM 2.0, so they wouldn't need a discrete chip for it? Info on that seems hard to get..
lefty2 - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
It's not Ryzen pro, that hasn't been released yet0ldman79 - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
That 32GB of memory limit looks suspiciously like single channel memory...Why do they all keep doing that to AMD?
IntelUser2000 - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
The Intel E480/580 is single channel too. It's not unique to AMD, its what manufacturers do.HStewart - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
Yes and also Intel version does not have 4K - people just want more but they don't want to pay more - so manufactures don't give them moreEletriarnation - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
Why do you think it's single channel memory? Lots of laptops have 2 channels, 1 slot each which would come out to 32GB with DDR4.lefty2 - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
Hmm?"Memory Up to 32 GB DDR4 (2 DIMM)"
Dragonstongue - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
yeh they REALLY should be using dual channel as it makes quite a bit of difference for productivity as well as absolutely for gaming, now when it is using APU style limiting it to "max" 2400 class speeds is a joke, APU thrive on as much bandwidth as you can give them, 2400 might be fine for "most things" but it very much limits the potential performance of them as well.also, the vendors or whatever need to give larger batteries not this 6-9 hour best case scenario crud (basically minimum brightness next to no load) if they are meant to be "mobile" using performance parts they should have a fairly decent battery to back it all up
45 WH is a joke IMO I know they "all do it" but they should not be 90 or so for higher performing ones, not a problem, 45 or less for not performance ones, not a problem, but 45 or less for ones using performance parts is bloody terrible.
10basetom - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
Sorry IBM, I can never get past the Fn no matter how good your keyboards are ={.AdmrlAhab - Wednesday, April 25, 2018 - link
Lenovo (IBM hasn't made Thinkpads since 2004) Has had a BIOS option to swap the Fn and Ctrl keys since they took over the brand from IBM.jimandroidpc - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
Anything less than 1080p is a joke.risa2000 - Thursday, April 19, 2018 - link
It look like the display could be 1/4th taller, but I guess no one would by it.yeeeeman - Thursday, April 19, 2018 - link
I wonder why ASUS doesn't have any laptop with Ryzen mobile inside since ASMedia which is a subsidiary of ASUS makes chipsets for AMD. Would be nice to see a Zenbook variant, something with a GTX1060 MaxQ and 2700U. They take it slowly because it would probably undercut all Intel offerings.jazzihere - Thursday, April 19, 2018 - link
There's a seems to be ryzen version of the thinkpad edge on the way E485. You can tell by the hardware maintance manual on page 81 & 82https://tutuappapkd.com/
awehring - Thursday, April 19, 2018 - link
Not mentioned, but usefull: HDMI 2.0 (Vega supports HDMI 2.0 natively.)So you can run an 4K monitor at 60 Hz.
Big advantage over intel.
AntonErtl - Thursday, April 19, 2018 - link
Right, I need VGA for connecting to the majority of projectors that I encounter. As for dongles (aka adapters), I am certainly not going to buy a laptop that needs a dongle when my current E130 does not need one and when I can buy a HP ProBook 430 E5 that does not need one, either.fmyhr - Thursday, April 19, 2018 - link
Any chance of fully-functional ECC RAM with these?Kotonyekia - Tuesday, April 24, 2018 - link
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SamJacksn - Wednesday, July 4, 2018 - link
For many a laptop like this is their base system, although it'd be a pain to lug everywhere.I think you would be able to get plenty of performance out of it. Thinkpads initially replaced widely used office laptops. Later this laptop series was designed and developed to offer mid-budget and high-end laptops. Under this series, you can find touchscreen devices, convertibles, business laptops and gaming laptops. Thinkpads are still selling good as business laptops all thanks to its sturdy built, good battery backup and powerful performance. for more details <a href="https://www.lenovosupportphonenumbers.com/"&g... Support Number</a>
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