I've been waiting for decent 2500U/2700U laptops for some time, but sadly all that have appeared have been very lacking on the battery side, and half of the times also lacking on the screen, RAM and SSD side. Also AMD doesn't seem to be making much effort with the drivers on the Raven Ridge APU side.
I'm not holding my hopes up on this one, the short battery is probably a problem with Raven Ridge itself (which is a shame).
The battery issues aren't really with the SoC, its specific de-optimization against AMD. MFG's have just been building trash laptops with ryzen and pricing them way out there to make sure people don't buy them.... if you look at whats available from intel.... well there is basically no ryzen laptop to match for any price tier. Meaning you have to buy ryzen because you want it and pay more to have it.
Taking a look at the post below... AMD is directly shafted again with a high price for an old reused design with a terrible screen....
I think it more likely the users out there desired vendors to put AMD chips into - but when Vendors do nobody actually buys them and they left in cold with a product that they can sell.
Most of the people that buy AMD are gamers and most gamers build their own machine, but AMD people are notorious anti Intel in nature and only real reason they want Dell to build a machine because they hate Intel.
I don't believe a manufacture can put an AMD Mobile Ryzen chip into a laptop say the size of MacBook 13 in or similar. In fact it required Intel engineers to get the Vega chip into Dell XPS 15 2in1
The big question Dell has to ask customer, will some one purchase a laptop with AMD based laptop with 4K screen and at 15 in. By the way, it not price of Intel CPU that makes cost go higher on these modules - it was additional $400 for the 4k screen. The smaller high end cost more and somethings like the old USB 3 connector must be change to USB-C
I'm sorry, but directly comparing Ryzen Mobile, which scales from to 12W-25W needs depending to Kaby Lake-G @ 65W is all kinds absolutely ridiculous. You can fit Ryzen Mobile into ANYTHING you can fit an equivalent 4c/8t Kaby Lake-R chip into, no if's, and's, or but's about it. It's simply most of the manufacturers not giving even the smallest two craps about AMD's mobile efforts in particular, just like always.
I have an XPS 15 2in1 and it significantly faster CPU then 8th generation U CPUS - up to 4.1 Ghz. plus keep in mind the AMD GPU uses power also - actually I notice it appears to use a lot
Keep in mind the Ryzen chip is price at lower end market and so are these laptops. They are not aim at same market as the Kaby Lake G cpus performance wise - AMD chip is lower end chip.
CPU wise, the Ryzens perform similar, often better, than Intel's U series; and of course they smash the Intels in the GPU department. So while they might be cheaper, they should be more expensive if they were to be priced fairly.
"I don't believe a manufacture can put an AMD Mobile Ryzen chip into a laptop say the size of MacBook 13 in or similar. In fact it required Intel engineers to get the Vega chip into Dell XPS 15 2in1".
What are you referring to? The TDP/thermals and power? I dont understand how your statement is remotely true at face-value.
Stop complaining - this laptop looks very similar to Intel version which is about $150 more expensive. It supports m2 SSD discs - Intel model actually has smaller 38W battery. Screen basically same IPS touch screen in similar case - AMD module is only slightly fatter. No pen support probably because Ryzen bios does not support it.
I'm still hoping for a 2700U PRO or something with the rebranded polaris chips to drop that doesn't lack on these things. This Dell Laptop could have 1/3 bigger battery if they would have adjusted the chassis instead of reusing an old Intel design (empty space for a 2.5" drive) and for that price really should sport an NVME drive instead of SATA.
It's really worthless to have NVME over sata unless you move huge chunks or data (editing) in which case you would use a proper desktop.
Main advantage of SSD's vs HDD's are the 100x lower latency and 100-200x random 4k performance. Unless you really have the need for more brute sequential speed NVME is just a waste of money (unless they cost the same as sata ssd's) + more power consumption and more heat.
Of they are doing so. You expect Dell to support AMD in laptops? Its a different thing with Threadripper but Dell survives on laptops and Intel makes Dell lick its shoes there. TBH, the laptops themselves are pretty good here. Definitely not the con job that Dell are trying to pull with the Inspiron 17 Ryzen lineup.
It's an old chassis, but at least it's new internals. It's not like they can use a 2 year old motherboard for a new computer when they aren't the same processor manufacturers. Would it be nice if they even tried with AMD? Yes. Is this a two year old intel laptop they put an AMD processor in? No.
It's not ideal but it's not terrible either. I imagine there's a LOT of pressure on OEMs from Intel right now. So many of the Ryzen systems will not be fully optimized builds. But again looking at this machine objectively it's still a decent machine. The CPUs are very competitive, dual channel RAM, SSD, halfway decent display, etc.
Judging from Dell's past units and the way the memory is listed, and the fact that the CPU can handle up to 32GB in dual channel mode, it probably only has one DIMM slot. I have a 15" Core i5 5200U unit similar to this that only has one DIMM slot. It's annoying.
So my current Dell Inspiron 13" 7000 series based around 6th generation Intel Processors is kind of falling apart right now. But when it is not having problems it has been my favorite laptop I have personally owned. So much love.
So my brain saw the spec sheet here and I was thinking RAWR!!!
I'll ask the same question I usually have with laptop reviews: How upgradeable is it? I like to keep my laptops a long time (don't worry, my namesake laptop is twice as old as my primary laptop), and being able to replace the battery is key in that. Hard drive/SSD/RAM upgrades also can make a big difference in longevity.
The HP Envy x360 15z is okay in that department - difficult to open, but once you can all of those components are upgradeable (including both m.2 and 2.5" storage slots). Better than most ultrabooks, at least. Though I do wish it had a Ryzen 7 option.
All I can say is 'getting closer' Screen resolution too low, deliver 1800p at least, 2160p preferable. Use the same Infinity displays in the XPS line, so there's minimal bezel. I'm not sure if these models are using dual channel RAM or not, but that should be mandatory for OEMs using Ryzen Mobile.
Blast, this was supposed to be a reply to another comment on here...
Nevertheless, the fact that the 8GB configuration is in fact 2x4GB could very well actually make it perform better than the 12GB configuration with 8GB+4GB mis-matched memory.
I don't actually know how AMD handles that, but Intel chips for a LONG time have taken the smallest DIMM+the same capacity of the larger DIMMs as dual channel, so with that config you'd have 8GB in Dual Channel, with 4GB in Single Channel.
Hopefully, the GPU address space is put in the dual channel portion. With CPUs, dual vs single channel hardly matters in performance (at least with notebook CPUs), but even with lame Intel IGPs, it makes a difference in graphical performance.
Hmm ... interesting ... So a "copy" of the HP Envy, I hope this time done right :-) The battery is not much of a problem ... mine lasts for 5-6 hours of normal work, so not much of a problem.
What IS a problem are the drivers ... or rather the lack of ... I have to go through hoops o install the dGPU Adrenaline drivers. Also I guess it will have a Realtek WIFI/BT card which is not the best choice (the BT drivers on mine are very bad ... it never autoconnects my headphones) ...
The battery on similar Intel based model ( Inspirion 7000 ) is actual smaller than the battery on AMD version. just check Dell specs on both systems of same laptop
Look great until you actually buy it and start using. My lenovo Yoga 13'' has i7 6500U. It kicks fans even if it does nothing. Fans are very , very loud. Very annoying experience. Never more such fancy thin designs. This laptop looks exactly like my Yoga from 2016.
Performance wise, this Inspiron is so far the best Raven Ridge based 13" system in the market, but still it's far from being perfect. Good overall build quality. Aluminum chassis. Self upgradable dual channel DDR4 (unlike the IdeaPad 13 720s) and an M.2 SSD (SATA but could be replaced by an NVMe). A lot of good features for the category. On the dark side though, the display isn't that great, the lack of pen support is laughable (especially when the Envy x360 has one, so it's on Dell) and tha battery life is just embarrassing. We all know by now that Raven Ridge won't feature on super thin "Ultrabooks" due to the lack of LPDDR3/4 support (which is way more power friendly than DDR4), and that we don't have to expect 8+ hours of autonomy from Ryzen Mobile, but Dell could've at least included a bigger battery by removing the 2.5" drive tray that no one's gonna be using. People are getting 3 to 4 hours from this machine at its early days. Typical OEM lazyness.
AMD needs their own Ultrabook-like mobile marketing plan. There is no reason why Ryzen-powered systems can't be premium devices like their Intel siblings. I'm tired of seeing OEMs constantly disappoint by limiting the amount of RAM, display resolution, or pen/stylus capabilities of Ryzen mobile products.
Well... it can't be premium when battery consumes twice as fast as Intel's offerings on almost any scenario (idling, web browsing, playing movies...). I've been waiting for months for decent Raven Ridge laptops to arrive and have recently just realized that I'll just have to go Intel because I actually want to use my laptop as a laptop and not a desktop replacement.
I don't see how you can come to that conclusion. My experience with Intel's mobile quad-cores tells me AMD is not that far off the mark. This 13" 1080p Dell with AMD system is reported to get 3 to 4 hours of battery life from the 42 Wh battery. The 15" 4K Lenovo Yoga 720 with Intel gets 4 to 6 hours from a 72 Wh battery. The difference in physical size and battery does not make this an apples-to-apples comparison, but it does indicate AMD is in the ballpark.
Note that I am talking quad-cores with decent graphics here. If you want a system that lasts all day on battery then you're looking at a lower performance baseline.
The reports on some other sites are showing 6-8 hours... I just bought this for my dad yesterday, I have to say that its very quiet and the fans don't come on even with opening a bunch of web browser tabs and reloading them. I am going to be moving all his stuff to this ryzen laptop sometime this week so I will let everyone know.
I can tell you though that my XPS13 runs hot and the fans turn on literally every time I do anything and battery life is 3-6 hours based on usage especially since all these intel exploits and patches.
Good idea but if AMD was doing it the same way as MS with its Surface product line expect to pay premium. AMD would also want $2500 for what now you can get from Dell or Lenovo for 30% less.
I recall that the Ultrabook push was a partnership between Intel and multiple system vendors to rapidly thin, lighten, and add premium design to laptops. Nvidia has been doing the same partnership thing with their Max-Q effort. Intel and Nvidia's pushes are different from what Microsoft and Apple have been doing through unilateral design of their Surface and i-Device products.
I think the Ultrabook or Max-Q partnership efforts make the most sense to emulate. I don't want to see AMD selling their own branded systems, but I would love to see them team up with Lenovo, Acer, and CLEVO, for example. Probably not going to get any serious effort from Dell, HP, or Asus given how much they've invested into pushing Ultrabooks.
Ryzen mobile thrives with fast dual channel DDR4 memory that offers high bandwidth and unlocks the full power of the iGP. However, the established idea in the notebook market is that in order to have great battery life, you have to go with LPDDR system memory. Intel's Kaby Lake R chips for example support both DDR4 and LPDDR3 memory, but if you look closely at the "premium ultrabooks" segment, OEMs go automatically with LPDDR3 modules to squeeze the longest battery life out of these machines at the expense of raw performance. Now, for everyday use scenarios, the boost from DDR4 compared to LPDDR3 is not that noticeable on Intel powered systems. So it makes sense to favour battery life. However, for AMD it's the complete opposite situation. AMD chose (?) not to support LPDDR memory for performance considerations. And that's why Ryzen mobile systems can't afford to deal with small batteries on top of that ommisson. From Dell's perspective, it's okay to use the same chassis as an existing model, but adjusting the internal layout with the inclusion of a bigger battery at the expense of the 2.5" drive should've been a must-do to offer a true high midrange notebook (The best that AMD could get for now).
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heffeque - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
I've been waiting for decent 2500U/2700U laptops for some time, but sadly all that have appeared have been very lacking on the battery side, and half of the times also lacking on the screen, RAM and SSD side.Also AMD doesn't seem to be making much effort with the drivers on the Raven Ridge APU side.
I'm not holding my hopes up on this one, the short battery is probably a problem with Raven Ridge itself (which is a shame).
Jimster480 - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
The battery issues aren't really with the SoC, its specific de-optimization against AMD.MFG's have just been building trash laptops with ryzen and pricing them way out there to make sure people don't buy them.... if you look at whats available from intel.... well there is basically no ryzen laptop to match for any price tier.
Meaning you have to buy ryzen because you want it and pay more to have it.
Taking a look at the post below... AMD is directly shafted again with a high price for an old reused design with a terrible screen....
HStewart - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
I think it more likely the users out there desired vendors to put AMD chips into - but when Vendors do nobody actually buys them and they left in cold with a product that they can sell.Most of the people that buy AMD are gamers and most gamers build their own machine, but AMD people are notorious anti Intel in nature and only real reason they want Dell to build a machine because they hate Intel.
I don't believe a manufacture can put an AMD Mobile Ryzen chip into a laptop say the size of MacBook 13 in or similar. In fact it required Intel engineers to get the Vega chip into Dell XPS 15 2in1
The big question Dell has to ask customer, will some one purchase a laptop with AMD based laptop with 4K screen and at 15 in. By the way, it not price of Intel CPU that makes cost go higher on these modules - it was additional $400 for the 4k screen. The smaller high end cost more and somethings like the old USB 3 connector must be change to USB-C
Lolimaster - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
Equivalente in power intel cpu's are $150-250 over AMD offering on mobile, for absurd things like 100Mhz over the lesser models.HStewart - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
Ryzen mobile is not same performance as Intel - per speed.jospoortvliet - Friday, April 20, 2018 - link
true, the Ryzens perform better.Cooe - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
I'm sorry, but directly comparing Ryzen Mobile, which scales from to 12W-25W needs depending to Kaby Lake-G @ 65W is all kinds absolutely ridiculous. You can fit Ryzen Mobile into ANYTHING you can fit an equivalent 4c/8t Kaby Lake-R chip into, no if's, and's, or but's about it. It's simply most of the manufacturers not giving even the smallest two craps about AMD's mobile efforts in particular, just like always.HStewart - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
I have an XPS 15 2in1 and it significantly faster CPU then 8th generation U CPUS - up to 4.1 Ghz.plus keep in mind the AMD GPU uses power also - actually I notice it appears to use a lot
Keep in mind the Ryzen chip is price at lower end market and so are these laptops. They are not aim at same market as the Kaby Lake G cpus performance wise - AMD chip is lower end chip.
jospoortvliet - Friday, April 20, 2018 - link
CPU wise, the Ryzens perform similar, often better, than Intel's U series; and of course they smash the Intels in the GPU department. So while they might be cheaper, they should be more expensive if they were to be priced fairly.RBD_117 - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
"I don't believe a manufacture can put an AMD Mobile Ryzen chip into a laptop say the size of MacBook 13 in or similar. In fact it required Intel engineers to get the Vega chip into Dell XPS 15 2in1".What are you referring to? The TDP/thermals and power? I dont understand how your statement is remotely true at face-value.
HStewart - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
Stop complaining - this laptop looks very similar to Intel version which is about $150 more expensive. It supports m2 SSD discs - Intel model actually has smaller 38W battery. Screen basically same IPS touch screen in similar case - AMD module is only slightly fatter. No pen support probably because Ryzen bios does not support it.http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/2-in-1-laptops/insp...
This is not higher end XPS line.
IBM760XL - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
The HP Envy x360 with Ryzen 5 has pen support. So if this Dell doesn't, it's not due to Ryzen - my guess would be the screen.HStewart - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
Well Dell's version is $150 in same line and same screen. So HP must add special logic to make it work.SL4KR - Sunday, September 2, 2018 - link
Ya think, genius.Lolimaster - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
And AMD still don't learn their lesson to just kick OEM's and sell laptops under their own brand offering the best possible configs at a good price.Hurr Durr - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
As if they don't have enough opportunities to run into the ground as is.polaromonas - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
Kick OEM's? This is AMD we are talking about here, they virtually have no market power to do such things.HStewart - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
AMD could always make there own brand names - they did that with Video cards.johnp_ - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
I'm still hoping for a 2700U PRO or something with the rebranded polaris chips to drop that doesn't lack on these things. This Dell Laptop could have 1/3 bigger battery if they would have adjusted the chassis instead of reusing an old Intel design (empty space for a 2.5" drive) and for that price really should sport an NVME drive instead of SATA.Lolimaster - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
It's really worthless to have NVME over sata unless you move huge chunks or data (editing) in which case you would use a proper desktop.Main advantage of SSD's vs HDD's are the 100x lower latency and 100-200x random 4k performance. Unless you really have the need for more brute sequential speed NVME is just a waste of money (unless they cost the same as sata ssd's) + more power consumption and more heat.
johnp_ - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
Early review by a redditor with detailed pictures of internals and BIOS:https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/89s8bs/dell_...
Apparently they reused the late 2016 7368 chassis.
Jimster480 - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
Yea its really not acceptable.... I mean they are basically doing this on purpose.Ket_MANIAC - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
Of they are doing so. You expect Dell to support AMD in laptops? Its a different thing with Threadripper but Dell survives on laptops and Intel makes Dell lick its shoes there. TBH, the laptops themselves are pretty good here. Definitely not the con job that Dell are trying to pull with the Inspiron 17 Ryzen lineup.teldar - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
It's an old chassis, but at least it's new internals. It's not like they can use a 2 year old motherboard for a new computer when they aren't the same processor manufacturers.Would it be nice if they even tried with AMD? Yes. Is this a two year old intel laptop they put an AMD processor in? No.
Alexvrb - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
It's not ideal but it's not terrible either. I imagine there's a LOT of pressure on OEMs from Intel right now. So many of the Ryzen systems will not be fully optimized builds. But again looking at this machine objectively it's still a decent machine. The CPUs are very competitive, dual channel RAM, SSD, halfway decent display, etc.piroroadkill - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
Hm, it's disapponting that there's so much wasted space where a larger battery could be, since it looks like it only supports M.2 SSDs anyway.lefty2 - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
The 8 GB model, is that 2x4GB DIMMs (dual channel), or one 8GB?dgingeri - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
Judging from Dell's past units and the way the memory is listed, and the fact that the CPU can handle up to 32GB in dual channel mode, it probably only has one DIMM slot. I have a 15" Core i5 5200U unit similar to this that only has one DIMM slot. It's annoying.Nintendo Maniac 64 - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
It does have two DIMM slots and the 8GB model comes with 2x4GB: https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/89s8bs/dell_...Nintendo Maniac 64 - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
It has 2 DIMM slots and does come with 2x4GB.Roland00Address - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
So my current Dell Inspiron 13" 7000 series based around 6th generation Intel Processors is kind of falling apart right now. But when it is not having problems it has been my favorite laptop I have personally owned. So much love.So my brain saw the spec sheet here and I was thinking RAWR!!!
And now I have Bad Romance stuck in my head ^_^
IBM760XL - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
I'll ask the same question I usually have with laptop reviews: How upgradeable is it? I like to keep my laptops a long time (don't worry, my namesake laptop is twice as old as my primary laptop), and being able to replace the battery is key in that. Hard drive/SSD/RAM upgrades also can make a big difference in longevity.The HP Envy x360 15z is okay in that department - difficult to open, but once you can all of those components are upgradeable (including both m.2 and 2.5" storage slots). Better than most ultrabooks, at least. Though I do wish it had a Ryzen 7 option.
Bateluer - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
All I can say is 'getting closer' Screen resolution too low, deliver 1800p at least, 2160p preferable. Use the same Infinity displays in the XPS line, so there's minimal bezel. I'm not sure if these models are using dual channel RAM or not, but that should be mandatory for OEMs using Ryzen Mobile.Nintendo Maniac 64 - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
It very much does have two DIMM slots and even comes with 2x4GB rather than 1x8GB:https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/89s8bs/dell_...
Nintendo Maniac 64 - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
Blast, this was supposed to be a reply to another comment on here...Nevertheless, the fact that the 8GB configuration is in fact 2x4GB could very well actually make it perform better than the 12GB configuration with 8GB+4GB mis-matched memory.
piroroadkill - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
I don't actually know how AMD handles that, but Intel chips for a LONG time have taken the smallest DIMM+the same capacity of the larger DIMMs as dual channel, so with that config you'd have 8GB in Dual Channel, with 4GB in Single Channel.jeremyshaw - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
Hopefully, the GPU address space is put in the dual channel portion. With CPUs, dual vs single channel hardly matters in performance (at least with notebook CPUs), but even with lame Intel IGPs, it makes a difference in graphical performance.Alexvrb - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
I'd still like to see more affordable models with the 2300U. The 2300U still has halfway decent graphics and 4C/4T. Something in the $550-600 range.The 2200U on the other hand is an abomination unless it ends up in super cheap systems.
Lolimaster - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
Always with a joke of a battery.piroroadkill - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
About time - this is the one I'm interested in.haplo602 - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
Hmm ... interesting ... So a "copy" of the HP Envy, I hope this time done right :-) The battery is not much of a problem ... mine lasts for 5-6 hours of normal work, so not much of a problem.What IS a problem are the drivers ... or rather the lack of ... I have to go through hoops o install the dGPU Adrenaline drivers. Also I guess it will have a Realtek WIFI/BT card which is not the best choice (the BT drivers on mine are very bad ... it never autoconnects my headphones) ...
HStewart - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
The battery on similar Intel based model ( Inspirion 7000 ) is actual smaller than the battery on AMD version. just check Dell specs on both systems of same laptopmilkod2001 - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
Look great until you actually buy it and start using. My lenovo Yoga 13'' has i7 6500U. It kicks fans even if it does nothing. Fans are very , very loud. Very annoying experience. Never more such fancy thin designs. This laptop looks exactly like my Yoga from 2016.tn_techie - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
Performance wise, this Inspiron is so far the best Raven Ridge based 13" system in the market, but still it's far from being perfect. Good overall build quality. Aluminum chassis. Self upgradable dual channel DDR4 (unlike the IdeaPad 13 720s) and an M.2 SSD (SATA but could be replaced by an NVMe). A lot of good features for the category. On the dark side though, the display isn't that great, the lack of pen support is laughable (especially when the Envy x360 has one, so it's on Dell) and tha battery life is just embarrassing. We all know by now that Raven Ridge won't feature on super thin "Ultrabooks" due to the lack of LPDDR3/4 support (which is way more power friendly than DDR4), and that we don't have to expect 8+ hours of autonomy from Ryzen Mobile, but Dell could've at least included a bigger battery by removing the 2.5" drive tray that no one's gonna be using. People are getting 3 to 4 hours from this machine at its early days. Typical OEM lazyness.BigDragon - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
AMD needs their own Ultrabook-like mobile marketing plan. There is no reason why Ryzen-powered systems can't be premium devices like their Intel siblings. I'm tired of seeing OEMs constantly disappoint by limiting the amount of RAM, display resolution, or pen/stylus capabilities of Ryzen mobile products.heffeque - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
Well... it can't be premium when battery consumes twice as fast as Intel's offerings on almost any scenario (idling, web browsing, playing movies...). I've been waiting for months for decent Raven Ridge laptops to arrive and have recently just realized that I'll just have to go Intel because I actually want to use my laptop as a laptop and not a desktop replacement.BigDragon - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
I don't see how you can come to that conclusion. My experience with Intel's mobile quad-cores tells me AMD is not that far off the mark. This 13" 1080p Dell with AMD system is reported to get 3 to 4 hours of battery life from the 42 Wh battery. The 15" 4K Lenovo Yoga 720 with Intel gets 4 to 6 hours from a 72 Wh battery. The difference in physical size and battery does not make this an apples-to-apples comparison, but it does indicate AMD is in the ballpark.Note that I am talking quad-cores with decent graphics here. If you want a system that lasts all day on battery then you're looking at a lower performance baseline.
Jimster480 - Monday, June 18, 2018 - link
The reports on some other sites are showing 6-8 hours... I just bought this for my dad yesterday, I have to say that its very quiet and the fans don't come on even with opening a bunch of web browser tabs and reloading them.I am going to be moving all his stuff to this ryzen laptop sometime this week so I will let everyone know.
I can tell you though that my XPS13 runs hot and the fans turn on literally every time I do anything and battery life is 3-6 hours based on usage especially since all these intel exploits and patches.
milkod2001 - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
Good idea but if AMD was doing it the same way as MS with its Surface product line expect to pay premium. AMD would also want $2500 for what now you can get from Dell or Lenovo for 30% less.BigDragon - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
I recall that the Ultrabook push was a partnership between Intel and multiple system vendors to rapidly thin, lighten, and add premium design to laptops. Nvidia has been doing the same partnership thing with their Max-Q effort. Intel and Nvidia's pushes are different from what Microsoft and Apple have been doing through unilateral design of their Surface and i-Device products.I think the Ultrabook or Max-Q partnership efforts make the most sense to emulate. I don't want to see AMD selling their own branded systems, but I would love to see them team up with Lenovo, Acer, and CLEVO, for example. Probably not going to get any serious effort from Dell, HP, or Asus given how much they've invested into pushing Ultrabooks.
tn_techie - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
Ryzen mobile thrives with fast dual channel DDR4 memory that offers high bandwidth and unlocks the full power of the iGP. However, the established idea in the notebook market is that in order to have great battery life, you have to go with LPDDR system memory. Intel's Kaby Lake R chips for example support both DDR4 and LPDDR3 memory, but if you look closely at the "premium ultrabooks" segment, OEMs go automatically with LPDDR3 modules to squeeze the longest battery life out of these machines at the expense of raw performance. Now, for everyday use scenarios, the boost from DDR4 compared to LPDDR3 is not that noticeable on Intel powered systems. So it makes sense to favour battery life. However, for AMD it's the complete opposite situation. AMD chose (?) not to support LPDDR memory for performance considerations. And that's why Ryzen mobile systems can't afford to deal with small batteries on top of that ommisson.From Dell's perspective, it's okay to use the same chassis as an existing model, but adjusting the internal layout with the inclusion of a bigger battery at the expense of the 2.5" drive should've been a must-do to offer a true high midrange notebook (The best that AMD could get for now).
Jimster480 - Monday, June 18, 2018 - link
They do have a new DDR4 that came out that is lower power which either uses the same power as DDR3 or even less, its now made on 7nm lithography.xace143 - Sunday, September 29, 2019 - link
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