I don't know what to do with these stupid marketing strategies. I have cash sitting in my wallet ready to given to intel or AMD as I want to upgrade and while you tell us the price, we don't know how good or bad the product is? How do we make our minds? based on the price and the nicely shaped fans?
And if they didn't have review samples to test prior to the official launch, so on launch day there is no information, you'd be even more ticked off. Either they get samples to review sites so tests can be done and reviews written and ready to go so that when you can finally buy the product, you have some guidance, or they make the review sites wait to get the product so now you have the product in stores but no guidance to buy it. It's not rocket science.
Early indications are that voltage requirements increase rapidly, but you can actually keep getting something for the extra voltage, whereas Ryzen would just stop unless you got really cold and really high on the voltage.
It's a minor distinction for anyone unwilling to push above the max safe voltage (which we don't know for these CPUs, yet... could be 1.4V max or 1.6V max... but most likely well under 1.5V).
Incorrect. The 2xxx series (with the exception of the APUs) are NOT the same as the original 1xxx series. They feature lower cache and memory latencies, higher clocks, and a new boosting algorithm.
Seriously dude how dumb are you? Going to a lower process you almost always change clockspeeds. Architecture would change alot more than that. This is the SAME architecture.
Zen is the architecture release (14 nm) (the tick). Zen+ is a slightly tweaked Zen architecture, but on a smaller (12 nm) process node (the tock). Zen2 will be a new architecture release, possibly on a smaller (7 nm) process node (the tick).
Ryzen 1000-series is Zen. Ryzen 2000-series is Zen+. Ryzen 3000-series will most likely be Zen2.
same as ryzen 1 , it supports it but its upto you to find out what motherboard its enabled on and supported ram (just putting ECC ram in does not mean its enabled, it will work just without the ECC)
AMD is kind enough to not disable it, but mobo vendors are not gutsy enough to validate it, even the ones that seem to support it. I guess it will make intel unhappy, and it does have a sweet time asking a 50% extra for xeons...
@iter, Understood, thank you. The 2700x specs are impressive for the price, but there is still a market segment that will walk away from "gaming" motherboards and "do you feel lucky" ECC support.
Those who feel lucky don't need ECC to begin with :)
It is understandable that mobo vendors don't want to angry intel, but at the very least amd could make a board or two, validate ECC support and sell those under their own brand.
AMD's current marketing strategy is quite dumb really. Even tho they have a suitable product, they don't really address the workstation market. EPYC clocks are too low, even for the 8 and 16 core parts, and only the 24 and 32 parts offer decent workstation performance, but only in tasks that can benefit from that many cores.
A glimpse at threadripper suggests that a 16 core 3.2 GHz base clock EPYC part should be possible, yet the clocks of existing SKUs are 1+ GHz lower.
There is huge demand for 8-16 core higher clocked CPUs with ECC support, it is something in which AMD can simply slay intel. Yet they don't, they keep marketing their chips at gamers, which is dumb since that chip was designed to do more and is not as efficient at gaming as intel chips.
So people are stuck buying xeons, which are priced by intel with such impudence, even the "workstation" grade single socket models.
Silly, silly AMD. Especially when you can get an 8 core ryzen for the cost of a 4 core xeon at similar clocks. And ECC memory premium is very low currently.
Can’t agree more. I needed a replacement build with ECC and ended up buying a used Xeon due to poor ECC support with Ryzen motherboards. Next build I would like to go AMD and hopefully in 3 years they have it figured out.
I would think the problem with official workstations is the validation effort with certain tool flows. I'm sure this is a costly step that might be the first thing a cash poor company like AMD would remove to cut corners.
A thousand times - THIS. Why is this so hard for AMD to understand? I don't want the overpriced Xeon D garbage, I'd like to use the 2700X with a non-gaming board and ECC!
I don't need ECC personally but this discussion got me curios so I checked Asrock's web site for my motherboard (AB350 Pro 4) and looked at their memory QVL. Sure enough, they do actually list some ECC modules...though only 2. One Samsung 8GB DDR4 2133 and one Crucial 8GB DDR4 2400.
My particular board isn't really one you would select in the first place if you were doing work where ECC was required. So I was actually a little surprised to see it.
Happens more often than you think. I've had one of my images taken before, and when asked, the person said 'oh, I thought it was a [insert tech company] stock image'.
The slides for today's announcement do mention StoreMI, and states it speeds up IO, but doesn't state how it does it. Footnotes state 'fuzed drive' with no context. Info beyond that is under NDA. It's not the main difference that X470 gives though - it's the one AMD wants to mention, but if you ask questions, you get more info. More detail on the 19th.
AMD's press release notes "This chipset comes with a free download of the new AMD StoreMI storage acceleration technology to combine the speed of an SSD with the capacity of a hard drive into a single, fast, easy-to-manage drive."
Nothing to do with tech, just wanted to say Ian that your cat Katamari looks exactly like my cat Rags. Like all cats, she too loves sitting on things that she shouldn't.
As an owner of the 1700x I'll pass on this refresh, but I'll most likely update when zen2 comes around next year. Nice cooler included with the 2700x though!
I think this is the first time I have seen 2 cats in an Anandtech review. I feel now I'd love to see an in depth Anandtech style article on the lives and personalities of Summer and Katamari
The article tells the same nothing as everyone else; it is not teasing, it is simply bs-ing the readers. I am one of the legit interested buyers to upgrade my 5 year old AMD work computer and it will take a while to read and decide what to buy, pre-ordering based on price alone is not worth.
Ian, what is the value added of this article in a sea of identical ones on Internet? I hope you realize you could have copied it from somewhere else, it would have saved time and let you do something more useful for humanity.
This kind of non-articles and the one about the 1 year old motherboard you just published is what kills these sites. I was already working in IT when sites like Tom's and Anandtech appeared, I saw it grow, hit the plateau and go a long way down. The cause? Zero innovation, your articles are identical (with worse quality, though) with the ones 10 years ago or 15 years ago. The knowledge of the authors on the matter is weaker and weaker, the quality of the articles is way down (can you guys use a spell checker? did you pass the grammar classes in school?) and today everyone and his cat can write millions of these sub-standard articles so the competition and fragmentation killed the industry. Well done, you did it yourselves.
I think what AdrianB1 is trying to say is that he wants a job at Anandtech, so he can show you all what a *REAL* journalist can do. Welcome aboard, AdrianB1!
Well I didn't know anything about Ryzen 2 before reading this article and I felt I came away well informed so ... the article was fine, your expectations are not. Threska's response was awesome, if you think you can do so much better, spend your time writing articles for Anandtech instead of walls of bitching in the comments section.
Here's a clue, if you want to complain about someone else's spelling and grammar then please double, triple, quadruple check your own spelling and grammar, or you look like an idiot.
Honestly your comment is foolish. It's a slight clock tick bump over the older model, at a lower price. This is the introduction announcing the pre-order pricing with all information allowed under NDA (the agreement that means you get reviews to sample and inside access to amd). Your ignorance towards these facts is either phony rage, or just incompetence. You don't have to read it if you need more in depth knowledge from a review. All of your questions were answered in your own foolish comments.
Then what is the point of the article? To tell nothing about the slight clock tick? Is it worth writing it and also worth reading it? The only information worth finding out is what brings X470 versus the older chipsets. And this is missing from the "article". One could simply call it click-bait or "zero-news".
"Preorders today, reviews in a week" is an epic antimarketing strategy. Rather strange, considering how AMD`s marketing team is their best performing part.
It's almost never worthwhile upgrading from one generation to the next, at least not in the last few years. The 2000 series is almost certainly not aimed at people who bought a 1000 series last year.
People still on a Bulldozer derivative, or using a several-year-old Intel chip, like my workplace Haswell, are the ones who are going to get the most out of these.
slighty OT, but we havent heard anything recently about the HMA- Heterogeneous Memory Architecture - that AMD kept hyping during Bulldozer days.. Whats the status of HMA now w.r.t Ryzen and/or Vega ?
It's still there in the APUs, can give pretty large performance increase in some situations, still has almost nobody actually using it aside from maybe some console games because AMD's APUs are the only implementation.
I've been on the i78700K for a bit, and also had the opportunity to build a 1600 & 1700 Ryzen based systems.. and for me.. the 8700k seems rushed. It does run as cool, takes more power, and overall doesn't seem to have as much umph as I was expecting from Intel. Meanwhile the Ryzens, ran cool, /w excellent cooling, were overall cheaper, and seem to bring as much if not more to the table..
That makes me really interested in the new Ryzens. Love that damn cooler and I'm guessing that if the first gen processors impressed me as much as they did, the second round is going to be even better. (Hopefully this doesn't mean Intel is going to release a totally new motherboard design making their current motherboards obsolete. Still ticked off about that..)
Anyway, great first look Ian! Summer and Kalamari are Awesome!
I'm really confused about the storage abilities of the X370 and X470 south bridge. C6H have 8 SATA ports from the X370, and why the hell C7H X470 only have six? It has never been such unclearness about some south bridge's storage abilities. X370 or X470, there's never been a document official enough to clearly told the consumer just how many SATA or SATAe ports does the south bridge have, or how can they convert to one and another or if and how can they be converted to PCIe lanes or the version of the converted PCIe lanes. There're tons of misunderstanding about it, and Mobo makers weren't doing anything to clear this up. There're X370s with 4-8 SATA ports natively connected from the SB, and there're B350s with 4-6 SATA ports. There're articles says AM4 chipsets only support up to 6 SATA ports, and some says rhey only support up to 4 SATA ports, none of them actually says about 8 ports and yet many Mobo does. All of them tells a partial fact but not the whole picture. After doing some research of this topic, I'm really frustrated with this.
The launch on April 19th will consist of four processors: two from the Ryzen 7 line, with eight cores and sixteen threads, and two from the Ryzen 5 line, with six cores and twelve threads.
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Burpo - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
"MSI X370 Gaming M7 ACBy contrast, the MSI X370 Gaming M7 AC box was not bashed up, "
Isn't it MSI X470?
Ian Cutress - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Yup. :)IGTrading - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
I luv the cats Ian! :)But are you sure you can't share any info on that 6core CCX incoming this summer, with all the goodie-goodie combinations it will bring with it ?
Most already know about the 48core EPYC so, it's kind of out now.
Unless it will not trickle down to desktop, for the time being...
milkywayer - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
I don't know what to do with these stupid marketing strategies. I have cash sitting in my wallet ready to given to intel or AMD as I want to upgrade and while you tell us the price, we don't know how good or bad the product is? How do we make our minds? based on the price and the nicely shaped fans?rrinker - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
And if they didn't have review samples to test prior to the official launch, so on launch day there is no information, you'd be even more ticked off. Either they get samples to review sites so tests can be done and reviews written and ready to go so that when you can finally buy the product, you have some guidance, or they make the review sites wait to get the product so now you have the product in stores but no guidance to buy it. It's not rocket science.Midwayman - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
I wonder if these will have similar overclocking performance? IE basically a wall at 4.3 now?looncraz - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Early indications are that voltage requirements increase rapidly, but you can actually keep getting something for the extra voltage, whereas Ryzen would just stop unless you got really cold and really high on the voltage.It's a minor distinction for anyone unwilling to push above the max safe voltage (which we don't know for these CPUs, yet... could be 1.4V max or 1.6V max... but most likely well under 1.5V).
jcc5169 - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
I am assuming Ian won't be commenting on anything until the 19th, but doing lots of reviewing for us in the mean time.Ratman6161 - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Seems not quite fair to me. They want people to pre-order today but you don't get to find out the full specs for another 6 days?inmytaxi - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
First world problems. Lucky we even have reviews.cocochanel - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
8 cores, 16 threads AND a cooler like this, all for 329 ? AMD, take my money.By the way, Jan, that's a lovely cat !
LauRoman - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
So this is Ryzen 2000, not (Ry)Zen2, right?T1beriu - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Ryzen 2000 is different from Zen 2 (coming next year).notashill - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
The 2xxx chips are Zen+ which is just the original Zen design on 12nm, Zen2 is 7nm with architectural improvements planned for 2019.eek2121 - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Incorrect. The 2xxx series (with the exception of the APUs) are NOT the same as the original 1xxx series. They feature lower cache and memory latencies, higher clocks, and a new boosting algorithm.Opencg - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
Seriously dude how dumb are you? Going to a lower process you almost always change clockspeeds. Architecture would change alot more than that. This is the SAME architecture.jospoortvliet - Sunday, April 15, 2018 - link
He's not crazy, the IPC on these is rumored to be higher which would mean more than 'just' a smaller process. We'll find out on the 19th, I suppose...ET - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Zen+, Ryzen 2. Zen 2 should be Ryzen 3.Geranium - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Zen/Zen+/Zen2 is architecture name just like Skylake/Kabylake.Ryzen is a brand name under which AMD sell cpu, just like Core/FX/Phanom.
phoenix_rizzen - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
This is the AMD version of a tick/tock release.Zen is the architecture release (14 nm) (the tick).
Zen+ is a slightly tweaked Zen architecture, but on a smaller (12 nm) process node (the tock).
Zen2 will be a new architecture release, possibly on a smaller (7 nm) process node (the tick).
Ryzen 1000-series is Zen.
Ryzen 2000-series is Zen+.
Ryzen 3000-series will most likely be Zen2.
JustinTeim - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Any word on ECC support ?UrQuan3 - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Seconded. I've never been able to find a list of Ryzen + MB combos that support ECC, just one-off comments about certain boards.leexgx - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
same as ryzen 1 , it supports it but its upto you to find out what motherboard its enabled on and supported ram (just putting ECC ram in does not mean its enabled, it will work just without the ECC)iter - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
AMD is kind enough to not disable it, but mobo vendors are not gutsy enough to validate it, even the ones that seem to support it. I guess it will make intel unhappy, and it does have a sweet time asking a 50% extra for xeons...JustinTeim - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
@iter, Understood, thank you. The 2700x specs are impressive for the price, but there is still a market segment that will walk away from "gaming" motherboards and "do you feel lucky" ECC support.iter - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Those who feel lucky don't need ECC to begin with :)It is understandable that mobo vendors don't want to angry intel, but at the very least amd could make a board or two, validate ECC support and sell those under their own brand.
AMD's current marketing strategy is quite dumb really. Even tho they have a suitable product, they don't really address the workstation market. EPYC clocks are too low, even for the 8 and 16 core parts, and only the 24 and 32 parts offer decent workstation performance, but only in tasks that can benefit from that many cores.
A glimpse at threadripper suggests that a 16 core 3.2 GHz base clock EPYC part should be possible, yet the clocks of existing SKUs are 1+ GHz lower.
There is huge demand for 8-16 core higher clocked CPUs with ECC support, it is something in which AMD can simply slay intel. Yet they don't, they keep marketing their chips at gamers, which is dumb since that chip was designed to do more and is not as efficient at gaming as intel chips.
So people are stuck buying xeons, which are priced by intel with such impudence, even the "workstation" grade single socket models.
Silly, silly AMD. Especially when you can get an 8 core ryzen for the cost of a 4 core xeon at similar clocks. And ECC memory premium is very low currently.
shadowx360 - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Can’t agree more. I needed a replacement build with ECC and ended up buying a used Xeon due to poor ECC support with Ryzen motherboards. Next build I would like to go AMD and hopefully in 3 years they have it figured out.flgt - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
I would think the problem with official workstations is the validation effort with certain tool flows. I'm sure this is a costly step that might be the first thing a cash poor company like AMD would remove to cut corners.karpodiem - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
A thousand times - THIS. Why is this so hard for AMD to understand? I don't want the overpriced Xeon D garbage, I'd like to use the 2700X with a non-gaming board and ECC!Ratman6161 - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
I don't need ECC personally but this discussion got me curios so I checked Asrock's web site for my motherboard (AB350 Pro 4) and looked at their memory QVL. Sure enough, they do actually list some ECC modules...though only 2. One Samsung 8GB DDR4 2133 and one Crucial 8GB DDR4 2400.My particular board isn't really one you would select in the first place if you were doing work where ECC was required. So I was actually a little surprised to see it.
overseer - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Five stars for bringing Katamari and Summer *on board*. Time to order some 2700X.Yaldabaoth - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Indeed. I logged in just to post a similar comment, but see that others of good taste beat me to it.milkywayer - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
2800X comes with 2 to 4 more cores I bet.Dr. Swag - Monday, April 16, 2018 - link
Then it would be the 3800x, not 2800x. I would guess that amd had a hard time binning enough 2800Xs so they just decided to waitIII-V - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Wow, AMD must really love you! They're giving you free marketing by putting your logo on the Ryzen package!iter - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
God forbid someone steals those precious, incredible photos...Ian Cutress - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Happens more often than you think. I've had one of my images taken before, and when asked, the person said 'oh, I thought it was a [insert tech company] stock image'.stephenbrooks - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
Maybe the ones with your cats in don't need the Anandtech logo? I'd like to see them try to claim those are AMD stock images.DanNeely - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Arstechnica spilled the beans on one major new X470 feature.https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018/04/second-gen...
Ian Cutress - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
The slides for today's announcement do mention StoreMI, and states it speeds up IO, but doesn't state how it does it. Footnotes state 'fuzed drive' with no context. Info beyond that is under NDA. It's not the main difference that X470 gives though - it's the one AMD wants to mention, but if you ask questions, you get more info. More detail on the 19th.ckbryant - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Most likely http://www.enmotus.com/amd Enmotus Fuze Drive for Ryzenjjj - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
AMD's press release notes"This chipset comes with a free download of the new AMD StoreMI storage acceleration technology to combine the speed of an SSD with the capacity of a hard drive into a single, fast, easy-to-manage drive."
Krysto - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
You wouldn't download an SSD, would you?boozed - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
If I could...Threska - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
Didn't Apple do something similar?lset - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Nothing to do with tech, just wanted to say Ian that your cat Katamari looks exactly like my cat Rags. Like all cats, she too loves sitting on things that she shouldn't.silverblue - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
I used to have a tortoiseshell who occasionally sat on my router because it kept her belly warm.Threska - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
Mine does as well. I joke that all my online posts would come with hairballs.jvl - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Request Review of cats.Then again, "10/10, would serve this cat again" may not be too helpful for potential customers.
Hifihedgehog - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
I am here for the cat review. Any word on its thermal dissipation and overclocking capabilities?Hifihedgehog - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
By the way, five out of five paws on the preview, or is it two paws up?boozed - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
Dan already did one of those 15 years ago: http://www.dansdata.com/kitten.htmRailgun - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Someone run out of “Ns?”SonicIce - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
11/10 article because cats! I hope this becomes a regular thing.Ian Cutress - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
If they remain still for more than five seconds...cjesp - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
As an owner of the 1700x I'll pass on this refresh, but I'll most likely update when zen2 comes around next year. Nice cooler included with the 2700x though!LarsBars - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
RY2ENwumpus - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Ryz+n- zen2 is next year.
FreckledTrout - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Does Ryzen come in salmon flavor? My cat was wondering.vidal6x6 - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Too pricey :) I WILL PASSboeush - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Anandcat. Andcat. Andanothercat. Plus some tech on the side :-)WorldWithoutMadness - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
The cats were too distracting. I had too re read again too make sure this is about ryzen and not about king of internetdsplover - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Waiting for 4GHz base and Vega, without overclocking.Glad to see them making waves again.
2400G is a step in the direction I want.
Alexvrb - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
Packed with all the latest catnology.mattkiss - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
"AMD will also throw in its new Wraith Prism LED cooler which it introduced back with the Ryzen APUs."The Ryzen APUs came with the Wraith Stealth, not Prism LED.
Hifihedgehog - Sunday, April 15, 2018 - link
The Prism came out at the same time as the Ryzen APUs. ;)rtho782 - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
I think this is the first time I have seen 2 cats in an Anandtech review. I feel now I'd love to see an in depth Anandtech style article on the lives and personalities of Summer and KatamariAdrianB1 - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
The article tells the same nothing as everyone else; it is not teasing, it is simply bs-ing the readers. I am one of the legit interested buyers to upgrade my 5 year old AMD work computer and it will take a while to read and decide what to buy, pre-ordering based on price alone is not worth.Ian, what is the value added of this article in a sea of identical ones on Internet? I hope you realize you could have copied it from somewhere else, it would have saved time and let you do something more useful for humanity.
This kind of non-articles and the one about the 1 year old motherboard you just published is what kills these sites. I was already working in IT when sites like Tom's and Anandtech appeared, I saw it grow, hit the plateau and go a long way down. The cause? Zero innovation, your articles are identical (with worse quality, though) with the ones 10 years ago or 15 years ago. The knowledge of the authors on the matter is weaker and weaker, the quality of the articles is way down (can you guys use a spell checker? did you pass the grammar classes in school?) and today everyone and his cat can write millions of these sub-standard articles so the competition and fragmentation killed the industry. Well done, you did it yourselves.
Threska - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
I think what AdrianB1 is trying to say is that he wants a job at Anandtech, so he can show you all what a *REAL* journalist can do. Welcome aboard, AdrianB1!Makaveli - Sunday, April 15, 2018 - link
Reading Adrian's post he just seems impatient and abit of a jerk.He wants information that isn't going to be out until launch day.
Its like he is new to how this works and what an NDA is.
bji - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
Well I didn't know anything about Ryzen 2 before reading this article and I felt I came away well informed so ... the article was fine, your expectations are not. Threska's response was awesome, if you think you can do so much better, spend your time writing articles for Anandtech instead of walls of bitching in the comments section.mkaibear - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
Oh, the muphrys law violations...Here's a clue, if you want to complain about someone else's spelling and grammar then please double, triple, quadruple check your own spelling and grammar, or you look like an idiot.
Hurr Durr - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
>"innovation">"for humanity"
What a way to out yourself.
Crazyeyeskillah - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
Honestly your comment is foolish. It's a slight clock tick bump over the older model, at a lower price. This is the introduction announcing the pre-order pricing with all information allowed under NDA (the agreement that means you get reviews to sample and inside access to amd). Your ignorance towards these facts is either phony rage, or just incompetence. You don't have to read it if you need more in depth knowledge from a review. All of your questions were answered in your own foolish comments.AdrianB1 - Sunday, April 15, 2018 - link
Then what is the point of the article? To tell nothing about the slight clock tick? Is it worth writing it and also worth reading it?The only information worth finding out is what brings X470 versus the older chipsets. And this is missing from the "article". One could simply call it click-bait or "zero-news".
Crazyeyeskillah - Sunday, April 15, 2018 - link
you add nothing to this worldbeginner99 - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
given the meager clock bump they had to get rid of the 1800x.Hurr Durr - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
"Preorders today, reviews in a week" is an epic antimarketing strategy. Rather strange, considering how AMD`s marketing team is their best performing part.lashek37 - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
Just saw this morning.Intel Core i7-8086K teased: 6C/12T @ 5.1GHz, beats 8700K
https://www.tweaktown.com/news/61550/intel-core-i7...
Hurr Durr - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
Imagine the TDP and shudder.lashek37 - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
who cares about TDP ,i can afford to buy a tray of these cpu,solo.Hurr Durr - Sunday, April 15, 2018 - link
In your dreams maybe.dgingeri - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
I'm loving all the USB 3.0 ports on that Crosshair VII Hero. Asus really dropped the ball on USB ports on their Z370 boards, like my Maximus X Hero.Chad - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
So basically just a smaller die w/ clock bump. Pass.1_rick - Sunday, April 15, 2018 - link
It's almost never worthwhile upgrading from one generation to the next, at least not in the last few years. The 2000 series is almost certainly not aimed at people who bought a 1000 series last year.People still on a Bulldozer derivative, or using a several-year-old Intel chip, like my workplace Haswell, are the ones who are going to get the most out of these.
mayankleoboy1 - Sunday, April 15, 2018 - link
slighty OT, but we havent heard anything recently about the HMA- Heterogeneous Memory Architecture - that AMD kept hyping during Bulldozer days..Whats the status of HMA now w.r.t Ryzen and/or Vega ?
notashill - Sunday, April 15, 2018 - link
It's still there in the APUs, can give pretty large performance increase in some situations, still has almost nobody actually using it aside from maybe some console games because AMD's APUs are the only implementation.just4U - Sunday, April 15, 2018 - link
I've been on the i78700K for a bit, and also had the opportunity to build a 1600 & 1700 Ryzen based systems.. and for me.. the 8700k seems rushed. It does run as cool, takes more power, and overall doesn't seem to have as much umph as I was expecting from Intel. Meanwhile the Ryzens, ran cool, /w excellent cooling, were overall cheaper, and seem to bring as much if not more to the table..That makes me really interested in the new Ryzens. Love that damn cooler and I'm guessing that if the first gen processors impressed me as much as they did, the second round is going to be even better. (Hopefully this doesn't mean Intel is going to release a totally new motherboard design making their current motherboards obsolete. Still ticked off about that..)
Anyway, great first look Ian! Summer and Kalamari are Awesome!
AntonErtl - Sunday, April 15, 2018 - link
Hardwarecanucks http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canu... looked into ECC support by motherboards, and they suspect that they all have it, but Asrock and ASUS at least offer some ECC settings in the BIOS. We use the Asrock Asrock A320M Pro4 in our own machines https://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/anton/ryzen-serv... and verified that ECC works (and corrects errors) there.zodiacfml - Sunday, April 15, 2018 - link
I like the images of the cats there. :)JoeyJoJo123 - Sunday, April 15, 2018 - link
More pictures of Katamari and Summer please!!! AMD Ryzen 2 can wait!8aravindk - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
At what time will the reviews be up, I live in India, so is there any chance to get the reviews 12 AM Indian Standard Time (18th April 14:30 EDT).techneek - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
I'm really confused about the storage abilities of the X370 and X470 south bridge. C6H have 8 SATA ports from the X370, and why the hell C7H X470 only have six? It has never been such unclearness about some south bridge's storage abilities. X370 or X470, there's never been a document official enough to clearly told the consumer just how many SATA or SATAe ports does the south bridge have, or how can they convert to one and another or if and how can they be converted to PCIe lanes or the version of the converted PCIe lanes. There're tons of misunderstanding about it, and Mobo makers weren't doing anything to clear this up. There're X370s with 4-8 SATA ports natively connected from the SB, and there're B350s with 4-6 SATA ports. There're articles says AM4 chipsets only support up to 6 SATA ports, and some says rhey only support up to 4 SATA ports, none of them actually says about 8 ports and yet many Mobo does. All of them tells a partial fact but not the whole picture. After doing some research of this topic, I'm really frustrated with this.John_M - Saturday, April 21, 2018 - link
Does this page shed any light? In particular, see the * footnote. https://www.amd.com/en/products/chipsets-am4James_Whatson - Monday, May 7, 2018 - link
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