No. From the words of the very thorough monitor review and calibration site, TFTCentral:
"In fact on many modern panels these FRC are very good and in practice you’d be hard pressed to spot any real difference between a 6-bit + FRC display and a true 8-bit display. Colour range is good, screens show no obvious gradation of colours, and they show no FRC artefacts or glitches in normal everyday use. Most average users would never notice the difference and so it is more important to think about the panel technology and your individual uses than get bogged down worrying about 6-bit vs. 8-bit arguments."
Whether a panel uses a FRC for higher bit depth should make no bearing on your decision to buy or not buy a monitor. Pedantic memesters will think it makes a difference, but to content consumers, the use of an FRC won't make an impact. Use of true 10-bit or even 12-bit displays may be warranted and justified if your bread is earned by created by color-critical content, such as the film or advertisement industry, but if you're posting in the comments section of AnandTech asking whether it's worth it, I'm pretty sure you're not one of those people.
No is not what they said. They said these are ``good enough'' for most discerning eyes. In short, most likely not, but for the average consumer they won't know what to look for so they're good enough.
Quick google search says they can, but only in DirectX full screen exclusive modes. Not OpenGL, not desktop. Didn't find info yet regarding Vulkan.
It's amazing how badly all these standards and implementations are being developed and released half-baked. -HDMI 2.0 almost immediately superseded by 2.0a, b and c. 2.1 is just around the corner looking like what 2.0 should have been in the first place. -VP9 10bit only on Kaby Lake and Raven Ridge but AV1 will be coming out soon to replace it. -All PC implementations of HDR are HDR10 instead of HDR10+. There's supposedly DolbyVision on Nvidia GPU's but nothing on PC for it? -And now we're finding out that monitors and cards don't support 10bpc properly.
I guess it's sort of a blessing that hardware is so damn expensive these days, because there's zero point buying any of if you're looking for a proper media experience because it'll all either fall short or be obsolete by year end.
Well, card do support 10bpc properly, but the feature is reserved to professional cards. In part because there was no real need for 10bpc in the consumer space (still isn't, but that's changing) and in part because that is one of the features that make professionals cough up an order of magnitude more $$$ for their cards.
I have 27" 5k panel, and it's just right. I used to have 32" 4k monitor, and it was too large vertically. I'd be open to an 34" ultrawide 5k monitor, if it's curved.
If your TV is 4K, it is not weird. I'm using a 43" 4K LG now and doesn't feel enormous. Now I want something bigger but couldn't justify the price increase from 43".
A 32 inch 1440p monitor like this is going to be roughly the same dpi as a 24 inch 1080p monitor so definitely not a High DPI monitor but not horribly bad either. If you just want something bigger than you currently use that doesn't make things smaller then this might be what you are looking for.
I'm quite amazed at how long it's taking for a panel that checks all the key boxes of my Dream Monitor spec. This has some good sides (contrast, HDR, gamut, design), and the price is great, but falls flat on others. An external power brick? That's a deal breaker for me alone.
Still waiting for a 34" 21:9 1800r curved 3440*1440 ~100Hz HDR wide-gamut (and reasonably calibrated) FreeSync (2 would be lovely) monitor with an internal PSU and a VESA mount (and preferably a 4+ port USB hub). Until I can get that (features in parentheses are kinda optional), my U2711 stays where it is.
lol, the power brick's a deal-breaker... get out of here with that nonsense. External bricks keep the monitor slim, easier to move around when on a swivel stand. Plus if the monitor company cheaps out on the PSU (most do) you can always buy a upgraded pack, not to mention fast replacement.
Depends what he's doing that he needs a Vesa mount. A wall mount or long monitor arms (an articulated floor stand) could result in a brick suspended in mid air. At best that can be kludged around by ziptieing the brick in place somewhere on the arm itself to keep it from moving, but that'd be kinda ugly and defeat the looks elegant bit that arms are supposed to give (along with their various functional benefits).
Yeah, 'cause what I want to do when I buy a $1000 monitor is to immediately buy a new power brick for it. Right. That makes sense.
Internal PSUs force OEMs to use high quality units as they'd fail prematurely and cause expensive RMA hell otherwise. Also, as you say, they're highly likely to cheap out on the external units, and they will invariably fail (but cause far less of a hassle for the maker as they're easier to RMA). Not to mention that thin DC power leads are fragile and break easily, as opposed to bog-standard, easily replaceable, cheap and far more durable AC cords. Oh, and then there's the damn brick, more than negating any good sides of monitor slimness by laying on the floor and making a mess with meters of excess cabling, or conversely dangling around due to too-short cables. Far more difficult to clean up and manage.
As for keeping the monitor slim, that depends on how good/bad/lazy/cheap the design team are - there are plenty of slim-enough monitors with internal PSUs. I don't care about absolute slimness, as I'm not likely to be looking at my monitor from the side much.
When it comes to "easier to move around", that depends on cable management. Sure, if you don't do that, slim DC cables are nice. If you do it properly, it doesn't matter unless you're frequently pivoting your monitor - swiveling doesn't (at least in my case) cause enough movement to be a problem.
Arguments for external power bricks for monitors are all founded on the premise that it's okay that they suck and that OEMs are betting on people needing replacements quickly (and thus buying them off the shelf rather than RMAing), because off-brand replacements are easy to find. Everything else is a matter of taste and willingness to pay for premium design.
Not everyone has the space to move their desks around as they please, whether at home or work. I can agree that the contrast-improving coatings on glossy monitors are an advantage, for me, matte wins out in every other metric (as long as the coating is good - my home U2711 is quite bad, but the U2415 at work is amazing to look at).
Meh.. 1440p on 32" display.. Why would anyone buy this seriously. Make it 4K or 5K for professionals, or make it 144hz for gamers, or make it oled for movies.
I was wondering if someone knows whether a VA panel would be fine for gaming. I've heard they're not because of bad response times. This has 5ms, which would seem okay and for people that have AMD graphics there's freesync. Would the VA panel still be bad for gaming in this case?
Are these actually out yet? I see it was supposed to be released may 11th but i cant actually find them anywhere. I can see the older non-hdr model but not the new one
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faiakes - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
Shouldn't it be a 10 bit panel for HDR?bubblyboo - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
None of VESA's HDR grades require more than 8-bit + FRC.Valantar - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
Is there any noticeable/measurable difference between 8-bit+frc and 10-bit?Lolimaster - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
It will always be a difference unless your eyes are bad.JoeyJoJo123 - Thursday, April 12, 2018 - link
No. From the words of the very thorough monitor review and calibration site, TFTCentral:"In fact on many modern panels these FRC are very good and in practice you’d be hard pressed to spot any real difference between a 6-bit + FRC display and a true 8-bit display. Colour range is good, screens show no obvious gradation of colours, and they show no FRC artefacts or glitches in normal everyday use. Most average users would never notice the difference and so it is more important to think about the panel technology and your individual uses than get bogged down worrying about 6-bit vs. 8-bit arguments."
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/faq.htm#colour_depth
Whether a panel uses a FRC for higher bit depth should make no bearing on your decision to buy or not buy a monitor. Pedantic memesters will think it makes a difference, but to content consumers, the use of an FRC won't make an impact. Use of true 10-bit or even 12-bit displays may be warranted and justified if your bread is earned by created by color-critical content, such as the film or advertisement industry, but if you're posting in the comments section of AnandTech asking whether it's worth it, I'm pretty sure you're not one of those people.
mdriftmeyer - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
No is not what they said. They said these are ``good enough'' for most discerning eyes. In short, most likely not, but for the average consumer they won't know what to look for so they're good enough.Alistair - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
Except it doesn't say it supports 8-bit + FRC, that would be a billion colors, not 16 million ( 6-bit + FRC, or 8 bit without ).This better support 8-bit + FRC or when I see HDR600 etc. I will just not care.
Ryan Smith - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
6-bit panels are not allowed for any DisplayHDR tiers; all panels must be at least 8-bit. For 600 and 1000, 8-bit + FRC is the minimum standard.Alistair - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
Ok then, so the table should say 1 billion colors? :)bug77 - Thursday, April 12, 2018 - link
Consumer video cards do not output 10 bits per channel anyway, so it would be waste.Simon_Says - Thursday, April 12, 2018 - link
Quick google search says they can, but only in DirectX full screen exclusive modes. Not OpenGL, not desktop. Didn't find info yet regarding Vulkan.It's amazing how badly all these standards and implementations are being developed and released half-baked.
-HDMI 2.0 almost immediately superseded by 2.0a, b and c. 2.1 is just around the corner looking like what 2.0 should have been in the first place.
-VP9 10bit only on Kaby Lake and Raven Ridge but AV1 will be coming out soon to replace it.
-All PC implementations of HDR are HDR10 instead of HDR10+. There's supposedly DolbyVision on Nvidia GPU's but nothing on PC for it?
-And now we're finding out that monitors and cards don't support 10bpc properly.
I guess it's sort of a blessing that hardware is so damn expensive these days, because there's zero point buying any of if you're looking for a proper media experience because it'll all either fall short or be obsolete by year end.
bug77 - Saturday, April 14, 2018 - link
Well, card do support 10bpc properly, but the feature is reserved to professional cards. In part because there was no real need for 10bpc in the consumer space (still isn't, but that's changing) and in part because that is one of the features that make professionals cough up an order of magnitude more $$$ for their cards.sean8102 - Tuesday, July 21, 2020 - link
I know this is old but Nvidia's regular cards have supported 10 bpc since Pascal. My GTX 1080 output 10 bpc. https://i.imgur.com/1BGCag7.pngSttm - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
27 inch 4ks, 32 inch 1440p... this is not how its done people!Flunk - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
This is probably a re-purposed TV panel.DanNeely - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
Yeah, cause there are so many 1440p TVs on the market.faiakes - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
I have a 32" 2560x1440 panel and it's just right.I'm looking at 40"+ for 4K.
p1esk - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
I have 27" 5k panel, and it's just right. I used to have 32" 4k monitor, and it was too large vertically. I'd be open to an 34" ultrawide 5k monitor, if it's curved.Sttm - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
I have a 27 inch 1440, and its just right. I think 32" would seem like going back to my old 27 inch 1080p.And 5k... you have to be using scaling right? How tiny is that text :)
StevoLincolnite - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
I have a 32" 1440P panel and a 27" 1080P panel.The pixel density on the 1440P panel is easily superior.
I like the screen size as I watch allot of media, but I wouldn't mind 120hz. One day I suppose it will be affordable.
Lolimaster - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
Thing is 32+ is just too big for PC monitor. I tried using my 40" 1080p as monitor (res aside) it feels weirg.zodiacfml - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
If your TV is 4K, it is not weird. I'm using a 43" 4K LG now and doesn't feel enormous. Now I want something bigger but couldn't justify the price increase from 43".rtho782 - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
Also, 48-75hz, so no LFRC... meh.kpb321 - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
A 32 inch 1440p monitor like this is going to be roughly the same dpi as a 24 inch 1080p monitor so definitely not a High DPI monitor but not horribly bad either. If you just want something bigger than you currently use that doesn't make things smaller then this might be what you are looking for.Zoomer - Friday, March 15, 2019 - link
Would take 2560x1600 over 4k for a 32 inch desktop screen.Valantar - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
I'm quite amazed at how long it's taking for a panel that checks all the key boxes of my Dream Monitor spec. This has some good sides (contrast, HDR, gamut, design), and the price is great, but falls flat on others. An external power brick? That's a deal breaker for me alone.Still waiting for a 34" 21:9 1800r curved 3440*1440 ~100Hz HDR wide-gamut (and reasonably calibrated) FreeSync (2 would be lovely) monitor with an internal PSU and a VESA mount (and preferably a 4+ port USB hub). Until I can get that (features in parentheses are kinda optional), my U2711 stays where it is.
Morawka - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
lol, the power brick's a deal-breaker... get out of here with that nonsense. External bricks keep the monitor slim, easier to move around when on a swivel stand. Plus if the monitor company cheaps out on the PSU (most do) you can always buy a upgraded pack, not to mention fast replacement.DanNeely - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
Depends what he's doing that he needs a Vesa mount. A wall mount or long monitor arms (an articulated floor stand) could result in a brick suspended in mid air. At best that can be kludged around by ziptieing the brick in place somewhere on the arm itself to keep it from moving, but that'd be kinda ugly and defeat the looks elegant bit that arms are supposed to give (along with their various functional benefits).Valantar - Thursday, April 12, 2018 - link
Yeah, 'cause what I want to do when I buy a $1000 monitor is to immediately buy a new power brick for it. Right. That makes sense.Internal PSUs force OEMs to use high quality units as they'd fail prematurely and cause expensive RMA hell otherwise. Also, as you say, they're highly likely to cheap out on the external units, and they will invariably fail (but cause far less of a hassle for the maker as they're easier to RMA). Not to mention that thin DC power leads are fragile and break easily, as opposed to bog-standard, easily replaceable, cheap and far more durable AC cords. Oh, and then there's the damn brick, more than negating any good sides of monitor slimness by laying on the floor and making a mess with meters of excess cabling, or conversely dangling around due to too-short cables. Far more difficult to clean up and manage.
As for keeping the monitor slim, that depends on how good/bad/lazy/cheap the design team are - there are plenty of slim-enough monitors with internal PSUs. I don't care about absolute slimness, as I'm not likely to be looking at my monitor from the side much.
When it comes to "easier to move around", that depends on cable management. Sure, if you don't do that, slim DC cables are nice. If you do it properly, it doesn't matter unless you're frequently pivoting your monitor - swiveling doesn't (at least in my case) cause enough movement to be a problem.
Arguments for external power bricks for monitors are all founded on the premise that it's okay that they suck and that OEMs are betting on people needing replacements quickly (and thus buying them off the shelf rather than RMAing), because off-brand replacements are easy to find. Everything else is a matter of taste and willingness to pay for premium design.
Hurr Durr - Thursday, April 12, 2018 - link
If you have to "move your monitor around" you deserve the brick suffering, twofold.SpartanJet - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
Edge lit and 8bit pannel? Hard pass.hammerang - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
Isnt 5ms too long for a gaming monitor?Lolimaster - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
I don't really get this monitors with matte coating, it looks horrible making the colors dull and contrast not so high.Peope should start facing themselves to the wall and not the monitor or simply control their lights better.
Give a 2560x1440 28" 120Hz VA full glossy.
Using a Trinitron CRT 1600x1200 19" 109ppi, 32 1440p 91ppi feels too low.
Lolimaster - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
CRT @100Hz :DValantar - Thursday, April 12, 2018 - link
Not everyone has the space to move their desks around as they please, whether at home or work. I can agree that the contrast-improving coatings on glossy monitors are an advantage, for me, matte wins out in every other metric (as long as the coating is good - my home U2711 is quite bad, but the U2415 at work is amazing to look at).xmRipper - Wednesday, April 11, 2018 - link
Meh.. 1440p on 32" display.. Why would anyone buy this seriously. Make it 4K or 5K for professionals, or make it 144hz for gamers, or make it oled for movies.Valantar - Thursday, April 12, 2018 - link
I think you mean "or make it oled for burn-in and people who enjoy replacing expensive monitors biannualy".TyrantRex - Thursday, April 12, 2018 - link
48-75Hz is not a gaming monitor. Its a normal consumer monitor.Xylord - Friday, April 13, 2018 - link
I was wondering if someone knows whether a VA panel would be fine for gaming. I've heard they're not because of bad response times. This has 5ms, which would seem okay and for people that have AMD graphics there's freesync. Would the VA panel still be bad for gaming in this case?milkod2001 - Tuesday, April 17, 2018 - link
It has freesync so i presume it will be OK for gaming but it is not 144Hz professional gaming monitor for sure.Hixbot - Wednesday, April 18, 2018 - link
At last! A VA panel that is not curved!Blindsay - Monday, June 11, 2018 - link
Are these actually out yet? I see it was supposed to be released may 11th but i cant actually find them anywhere. I can see the older non-hdr model but not the new oneSeanGabel - Tuesday, August 14, 2018 - link
The HP pavilion display looks like that there has been a cool design given to it. Good to see that it is not like the usual display screens out there. I would have to make the best efforts in bringing the best out of the HDR display. The specifications are also on the point.For more information contact http://hpsupportnumber.net/
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