I don’t know it much either but I think internally they’re closer to android tablet than windows laptop. However I think something like UFS might be a better choice when reacing for the high end of this segment. eMMC was by far the most painful part of smartphones when it was the only choice 8 years ago. It should be buried for any human interface tech and kept to the space it was designed for: embedded.
Yes, Chrome OS comes with Android Play Store enabled. The integration is very good at this point and continually getting better. But many Play Store apps haven't yet been rewritten to enable doing everything with a mouse that they will do with touch -- like for instance dragging to select text.
Chrome OS is all about cloud storage (or at least that's how Google wants you to use it); the physical storage is there simply for the OS itself and any temporary storage of files. In fact most chromebooks bar the $1k+ ones have eMMC storage.
And yes it supports some android apps if I recall correctly
Assuming the micro SD slot is PCIe based (it is on the 3 year old Baytrail platform, so I'm sure it is here) putting a cheap U3 SDHC card in will offer 150MB/sec of storage perfromance.
Put into perspective, I can't think of a single Chrome OS app that's larger than 150MB.
As far as storage of non-apps go, such as pictures and documents, most people keep that on Google Drive. Chrome OS devices are mostly useless without an internet connection so tethering them to cloud storage isn't really a downer. But I keep movies and torrent downloads on my SDHC card in my Chromebook (and my Windows 10 tablet) where performance is mostly moot. As long as it can stream a 3000mbit video file, it's fine. Decompressing RAR's from SDHC to SDHC is a little painful because of the single-channel architecture of the eMMC controllers, but it's generally a few minutes for a set of RAR's totaling 2GB.
Seems to surprise someone with every new laptop but Intel still does not support LPDDR4, and DDR4 is higher on idle power for an ultraportable like this, so people are stuck on LPDDR3 for smallish batteries.
I just acquired a fairly similar convertible: Asus transformer 3 pro. Bought it refurbed on ebay for $520. It has a slightly larger 12.6" screen, with a bit more resolution (2880x1920) and a full size core 6th gen processor (15W version). Came similarly with pen and keyboard.
Pro: - full windows 10 - more RAM (8GB) - lot more storage (512GB) Can: - bad battery life (~6h) - mediocre tablet (win 10) - noisy fan unless throttled
For my usage (media tablet and particularly comic reader), it works great. If this tablet had been out a few months earlier, I would have considered it.
Still looking into installing ChromeOS/Android as dual boot onto the ASUS. May make it into a better tablet and better battery life...
PS: there still are similar tablets for sale on ebay if anyone wants...
You can't install real Chrome OS. You must buy a Chromebook/Chromebox/Chromebase to get real Chrome OS. If you want something really very to Chrome OS, albeit without integral Play Store, Neverware sells a product called CloudReady. CloudReady is based on Chromium OS and will install on most any recent PC that uses an Intel CPU. Though I've heard that a version of Android exists that will dual-boot with Windows.
It looks fantastic, but $600 is too steep for a dual core Chromebook with integrated Intel graphics. $399 seems like a good price for this. Maybe $450 if they want to push it.
A 12.9" iPad Pro is faster, but with the keyboard and pen it's more than $1000. This basically is a high-end ChromeBook and a huge and not at all shabby Android tablet in one. An LTE modem would have been great though. A mobile device that needs the Internet all the time with WiFi only always seems a bit incomplete to me...
It is dual core, but the performance is far above the pentium/celeron dual cores you normally find at the $300-400 price point. In fact, the Intel MSRP for the i7-7Y50 is actually $393 (from the official intel database) so $600 is actually decently cheap all things considered
"Quad means 4x the resolution." ------------------------------------------ No, resolution is like lines on a ruler If you double the number of lines per inch, you get twice the resolution
Quad HD gives you twice the resolution and 4 times the area Resolution and area are two different things
Many people make that mistake Like carphonewarehouse when they say....
Quad HD (QHD) is the resolution that really took off year in 2015. It gets its name from being four times sharper than 720p HD. http://lowdown.carphonewarehouse.com/how-to/screen... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 4 times sharper? O.K., then I'd like to display a line consisting of 4 pixels long X 1 pixel wide on an HD display
Looks good
Great, now explain how a line 8 pixels long on a Quad HD display is 4 times sharper
>But what's wrong with using vertical number of pixels by horizontal number?
Very few people care about precise numbers. They care about how it looks not the number of pixels on the screen. That's why the standards are "Full HD", "HD Ready", "4K", not "1920x1080 at a minimum of 30fps", for example.
>We are replacing it with the same size TV that is *blah*
And because of the aforementioned, that would not be considered a reasonable replacement. A reasonable replacement would be an "HD Ready" TV whatever the actual resolution (case in point, a lot of the early plasma HD Ready TVs had a 1024x768 resolution with rectangular pixels - that was still "HD Ready" even though it didn't display 1280x720 content).
Erm no? If you double the number of lines per inch in one direction, it is twice the resolution. However a QHD display doubles the number of lines in BOTH X and Y directions, hence it offers 4 times the resolution.
The term you're thinking of is pixel density (ppi), which is only twice as high for a same-sized QHD vs HD screen
"But what's wrong with using vertical number of pixels by horizontal number?" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Well, does the resolution of your ruler change when you measure vertically, horizontally or diagonally?
No?
then defining resolution as horizontal pixels X vertical pixels is moronic at best (I'm being nice)
Have any of you calculated the depth of 3D imagery and added those pixels to your definition of resolution as well?
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SirPerro - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
I like the direction this Chromebook/Android tablet merger is taking.ToTTenTranz - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
32GB eMMC seems both anemic and slow for a $600 device...If it's using a Core Y then it would already have hardware support for NVMe storage.
Does ChromeOS support android apps installed through the play store?
jabber - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
You haven't really followed the whole Chromebook scene have you?ToTTenTranz - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
Nope.Which is why I'm asking...
willis936 - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
I don’t know it much either but I think internally they’re closer to android tablet than windows laptop. However I think something like UFS might be a better choice when reacing for the high end of this segment. eMMC was by far the most painful part of smartphones when it was the only choice 8 years ago. It should be buried for any human interface tech and kept to the space it was designed for: embedded.CajunMoses - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
Yes, Chrome OS comes with Android Play Store enabled. The integration is very good at this point and continually getting better. But many Play Store apps haven't yet been rewritten to enable doing everything with a mouse that they will do with touch -- like for instance dragging to select text.Retycint - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
Chrome OS is all about cloud storage (or at least that's how Google wants you to use it); the physical storage is there simply for the OS itself and any temporary storage of files. In fact most chromebooks bar the $1k+ ones have eMMC storage.And yes it supports some android apps if I recall correctly
Samus - Tuesday, April 10, 2018 - link
Assuming the micro SD slot is PCIe based (it is on the 3 year old Baytrail platform, so I'm sure it is here) putting a cheap U3 SDHC card in will offer 150MB/sec of storage perfromance.Put into perspective, I can't think of a single Chrome OS app that's larger than 150MB.
As far as storage of non-apps go, such as pictures and documents, most people keep that on Google Drive. Chrome OS devices are mostly useless without an internet connection so tethering them to cloud storage isn't really a downer. But I keep movies and torrent downloads on my SDHC card in my Chromebook (and my Windows 10 tablet) where performance is mostly moot. As long as it can stream a 3000mbit video file, it's fine. Decompressing RAR's from SDHC to SDHC is a little painful because of the single-channel architecture of the eMMC controllers, but it's generally a few minutes for a set of RAR's totaling 2GB.
StevoLincolnite - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
Why DDR3?Can you install windows on this thing? Hard to find a low-priced Windows notebook with a display like that?
zepi - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
LPDDR3 is highest supported by Intel chips. None of their core-series processors support LPDDR4.tipoo - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
Seems to surprise someone with every new laptop but Intel still does not support LPDDR4, and DDR4 is higher on idle power for an ultraportable like this, so people are stuck on LPDDR3 for smallish batteries.frenchy_2001 - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
I just acquired a fairly similar convertible: Asus transformer 3 pro.Bought it refurbed on ebay for $520. It has a slightly larger 12.6" screen, with a bit more resolution (2880x1920) and a full size core 6th gen processor (15W version).
Came similarly with pen and keyboard.
Pro:
- full windows 10
- more RAM (8GB)
- lot more storage (512GB)
Can:
- bad battery life (~6h)
- mediocre tablet (win 10)
- noisy fan unless throttled
For my usage (media tablet and particularly comic reader), it works great.
If this tablet had been out a few months earlier, I would have considered it.
Still looking into installing ChromeOS/Android as dual boot onto the ASUS. May make it into a better tablet and better battery life...
PS: there still are similar tablets for sale on ebay if anyone wants...
CajunMoses - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
You can't install real Chrome OS. You must buy a Chromebook/Chromebox/Chromebase to get real Chrome OS. If you want something really very to Chrome OS, albeit without integral Play Store, Neverware sells a product called CloudReady. CloudReady is based on Chromium OS and will install on most any recent PC that uses an Intel CPU. Though I've heard that a version of Android exists that will dual-boot with Windows.DanNeely - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
That hinge looks like it'd be uncomfortable on your lap, the pic with it all the way open shows it resting on a corner not the rounded part.HStewart - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
That was the first thing I notice on this machine - extremely ugly for laptop in my opinion.Lord of the Bored - Tuesday, April 10, 2018 - link
Ironically, I was thinking that hinge looks super-cool.JackTheBear - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
It looks fantastic, but $600 is too steep for a dual core Chromebook with integrated Intel graphics. $399 seems like a good price for this. Maybe $450 if they want to push it.HStewart - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
Especially for a Chromebook, I would think a Y cpu would be upper end for Chromebooksuhuznaa - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
A 12.9" iPad Pro is faster, but with the keyboard and pen it's more than $1000. This basically is a high-end ChromeBook and a huge and not at all shabby Android tablet in one. An LTE modem would have been great though. A mobile device that needs the Internet all the time with WiFi only always seems a bit incomplete to me...HStewart - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
But iPad Pro is limited on types of applications you can use - then again so is Android and Chromebook.Retycint - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
It is dual core, but the performance is far above the pentium/celeron dual cores you normally find at the $300-400 price point. In fact, the Intel MSRP for the i7-7Y50 is actually $393 (from the official intel database) so $600 is actually decently cheap all things consideredRetycint - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
Ok apparently I can't read because this is using an M3 and not the i7. Nevertheless, the M3 has an MSRP of $281 so $450 is still quite improbableಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
How is this Quad HD ?1280X720 is defined as HD
2400 divided by 1280 is a 1.875x improvement
1600 divided by 720 is a 2.2222x improvement
1.875x plus 2.2222x = 4.0972
4.0972 divided by 2 gives you an average of 2.0486x improvement
This is double HD, not Quad
PeachNCream - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
I'm positively awful at math too, but I think the calculation goes more like this:1280 x 720 = 921,600 pixels
2400 x 1600 = 3,840,000 pixels
The higher resolution screen offers more than 4x the number of pixels so it's reasonable to refer to it as QHD.
ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
Yeah, I get it that 4 HD displays will fit into the same space as one with "double" the width and "double" the heightI just don't like the math
It's both double and quad at the same time
MrSpadge - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
Yep, about 2x the pixels in each dimension = 4x the area.ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
Yup....Time to make popcorn & watch something on my 3.75K TV
SirPerro - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
Quad means 4x the resolution.Resolution means pixels per area unit. A surface is two dimensional.
Comparing 1D resolution Vs 2D resolution is like apples Vs oranges
ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
"Quad means 4x the resolution."------------------------------------------
No, resolution is like lines on a ruler
If you double the number of lines per inch, you get twice the resolution
Quad HD gives you twice the resolution and 4 times the area
Resolution and area are two different things
ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
QUAD HDNow with TWICE the resolution of HD!
ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
Don't get confused!4 times the area statement above is only valid when both monitors have the same pixel size
ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
Many people make that mistakeLike carphonewarehouse when they say....
Quad HD (QHD) is the resolution that really took off year in 2015. It gets its name from being four times sharper than 720p HD.
http://lowdown.carphonewarehouse.com/how-to/screen...
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
4 times sharper?
O.K., then I'd like to display a line consisting of 4 pixels long X 1 pixel wide on an HD display
Looks good
Great, now explain how a line 8 pixels long on a Quad HD display is 4 times sharper
ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
But whats wrong with using vertical number of pixels by horizontal number?Well, we are very sorry for the loss of your HD TV in a house fire but we at ACME insurance want to keep you as a valid customer
As you are aware, resolution is currently measured by the number of vertical pixels times horizontal pixels, or 921600 pixels for the TV you lost
We are replacing it with the same size TV that is 921600 pixels wide by 1 pixel tall
Being the same resolution as the TV you lost, I'm sure you will be happy with the replacement
ENJOY!
mkaibear - Tuesday, April 10, 2018 - link
>But what's wrong with using vertical number of pixels by horizontal number?Very few people care about precise numbers. They care about how it looks not the number of pixels on the screen. That's why the standards are "Full HD", "HD Ready", "4K", not "1920x1080 at a minimum of 30fps", for example.
>We are replacing it with the same size TV that is *blah*
And because of the aforementioned, that would not be considered a reasonable replacement. A reasonable replacement would be an "HD Ready" TV whatever the actual resolution (case in point, a lot of the early plasma HD Ready TVs had a 1024x768 resolution with rectangular pixels - that was still "HD Ready" even though it didn't display 1280x720 content).
Retycint - Monday, April 9, 2018 - link
Erm no? If you double the number of lines per inch in one direction, it is twice the resolution. However a QHD display doubles the number of lines in BOTH X and Y directions, hence it offers 4 times the resolution.The term you're thinking of is pixel density (ppi), which is only twice as high for a same-sized QHD vs HD screen
ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Tuesday, April 10, 2018 - link
whewI'm glad you cleared that up for me
Now for the rant on standardization
An HD TV should be classified as a 1K TV
Full HD should be 2K
and a 3.75K TV will not change and remain a 4K TV
If you prefer vertical designations, then there is no such thing as 4K or even 3.75K TV's
720p / 1080p and 2160p shall forever be the standard (unless changed in marketing)
ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Tuesday, April 10, 2018 - link
"But what's wrong with using vertical number of pixels by horizontal number?"------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, does the resolution of your ruler change when you measure vertically, horizontally or diagonally?
No?
then defining resolution as horizontal pixels X vertical pixels is moronic at best
(I'm being nice)
Have any of you calculated the depth of 3D imagery and added those pixels to your definition of resolution as well?
I'm sure marketing is all over it by now
PeachNCream - Tuesday, April 10, 2018 - link
You're really enjoying the attention that you're getting from feeling like you're manipulating others aren't you?ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Tuesday, April 10, 2018 - link
Well, I got you to post, so............yeah!Lord of the Bored - Tuesday, April 10, 2018 - link
Hooray for the obligatory "rant about resolution names" post chain!duploxxx - Tuesday, April 10, 2018 - link
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