Either would make for a decent little industrial box on Linux, but I'd absolutely abhor the idea of trying to cram Windows 10 into 32GB of storage. It'd end up failing to run updates without sending you jumping through hoops to clean out stuff even with few to no programs installed. I've been down that road enough times with 32GB eMMC devices to know better than to try to use one to run a Microsoft OS. That's just begging for unnecessary pain.
I'd rather just get something with more storage for Windows 10 so updates aren't a problem. Wandering around the Internet with intentionally unmitigated vulnerabilities isn't an appealing idea even with a fairly well locked down browser visiting credible websites. Maybe for one of these Logic Supply systems that could spend most or all of its time offline or in a relatively closed network performing a digital signage chore or acting as the brains in some industrial automation system it wouldn't be a big deal, but I wouldn't want to take the chance with a general purpose workstation.
I'd rather just get something with more storage for Windows 10 so updates aren't a problem. Wandering around the Internet with intentionally unmitigated vulnerabilities isn't an appealing idea even with a fairly well locked down browser visiting credible websites. Maybe for one of these Logic Supply systems that could spend most or all of its time offline or in a relatively closed network performing a digital signage chore or acting as the brains in some industrial automation system it wouldn't be a big deal, but I wouldn't want to take the chance with a general purpose workstation.
Just use the existing SD slot (or a USB drive formatted as NTFS) when performing large OS updates. The Windows updater will copy the OS to the external drive, then slipstream the updated OS back onto the main drive. Same process as with updating from 7/8/8.1 to 10 on small drives (Windows.old folder ends up on external drive).
My 32GB Win10 HTPC gave me the option to use an external USB stick when performing such update tasks. But it always failed, using 4 different external devices (32GB, 64GB sick and 320/500GB 2.5" HDD). In an large enterprise environment, I doubt they will want to go that route.
Darek here from Logic Supply. I just wanted to stop in to mention that the CL210 will be available with Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSB, rather than Windows 10 Home or Pro. This version of the OS, by design, does not receive the large feature updates that 10 Pro and Home do, only the smaller (in file size) security updates.
I like this. WIth 2 gbit ports, would make a lovely little firewall/router/gateway appliance, but I have 2 questions.
Question 1: is the eMMC removable/upgradeable? I know the ODROID lineup of SBCs have a removable eMMC module, so it's cheaper to buy initially and upgradeable. Question 2: Why not have an M.2 slot instead of/in addition to the eMMC?
If you want to see a credit card computer - check out the Intel computer card - can literary fit in your wallet. But of course it requires a doc - or compute stick - I have m3 version and it can fit in my pocket
This one the same cpu, also have higher end cpus like m3-7 serious and i5
From my experience using the CL100 (which is faster) on a project that probably got made a week longer just from me waiting for the CL100 to reboot and respond to UI events, I don't anticipate this going well.
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PeachNCream - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link
Either would make for a decent little industrial box on Linux, but I'd absolutely abhor the idea of trying to cram Windows 10 into 32GB of storage. It'd end up failing to run updates without sending you jumping through hoops to clean out stuff even with few to no programs installed. I've been down that road enough times with 32GB eMMC devices to know better than to try to use one to run a Microsoft OS. That's just begging for unnecessary pain.LostWander - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link
Just here to +1 on this. 32GB of storage for Win 10 feels fine until the next version update which is only every couple months these days.ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link
Windows may not have an option to stop updating but what would happen if you just block all Microsoft crap from within a firewall like Glasswire?No more updates?
PeachNCream - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link
I'd rather just get something with more storage for Windows 10 so updates aren't a problem. Wandering around the Internet with intentionally unmitigated vulnerabilities isn't an appealing idea even with a fairly well locked down browser visiting credible websites. Maybe for one of these Logic Supply systems that could spend most or all of its time offline or in a relatively closed network performing a digital signage chore or acting as the brains in some industrial automation system it wouldn't be a big deal, but I wouldn't want to take the chance with a general purpose workstation.PeachNCream - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link
I'd rather just get something with more storage for Windows 10 so updates aren't a problem. Wandering around the Internet with intentionally unmitigated vulnerabilities isn't an appealing idea even with a fairly well locked down browser visiting credible websites. Maybe for one of these Logic Supply systems that could spend most or all of its time offline or in a relatively closed network performing a digital signage chore or acting as the brains in some industrial automation system it wouldn't be a big deal, but I wouldn't want to take the chance with a general purpose workstation.ZeDestructor - Friday, March 23, 2018 - link
They'll almost certainly be online (and probably directly accessible, probably over straight RDP), for remote admin/troubleshooting purposes.edzieba - Friday, March 23, 2018 - link
Just use the existing SD slot (or a USB drive formatted as NTFS) when performing large OS updates. The Windows updater will copy the OS to the external drive, then slipstream the updated OS back onto the main drive. Same process as with updating from 7/8/8.1 to 10 on small drives (Windows.old folder ends up on external drive).ads295 - Friday, March 23, 2018 - link
How does one use removable media this way? I'm sure there's more to it than simply plugging in the drive when Windows is updating...close - Friday, March 23, 2018 - link
Correct. You have to plug in the (properly formatted) card *before* Windows starts updating. But other than that yeah, that's about it.I do this every 6 months with a 32GB Windows tablet. Works every time.
Death666Angel - Friday, March 23, 2018 - link
My 32GB Win10 HTPC gave me the option to use an external USB stick when performing such update tasks. But it always failed, using 4 different external devices (32GB, 64GB sick and 320/500GB 2.5" HDD). In an large enterprise environment, I doubt they will want to go that route.Logic Supply - Friday, March 23, 2018 - link
Darek here from Logic Supply. I just wanted to stop in to mention that the CL210 will be available with Windows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSB, rather than Windows 10 Home or Pro. This version of the OS, by design, does not receive the large feature updates that 10 Pro and Home do, only the smaller (in file size) security updates.ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Friday, March 23, 2018 - link
Thanks DarekWindows 10 IoT Enterprise LTSB
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVeUvZkxd1A
ZeDestructor - Friday, March 23, 2018 - link
I like this. WIth 2 gbit ports, would make a lovely little firewall/router/gateway appliance, but I have 2 questions.Question 1: is the eMMC removable/upgradeable? I know the ODROID lineup of SBCs have a removable eMMC module, so it's cheaper to buy initially and upgradeable.
Question 2: Why not have an M.2 slot instead of/in addition to the eMMC?
Logic Supply - Friday, March 23, 2018 - link
Thanks for the questions.1) The eMMC is not removable.
2) Both models of the CL200 will have an mSATA slot as well which can be configured with up to a TB SSD.
ಬುಲ್ವಿಂಕಲ್ ಜೆ ಮೂಸ್ - Friday, March 23, 2018 - link
Will it boot to USB?Logic Supply - Friday, March 23, 2018 - link
Thanks for asking. Yes, it will boot from USB.ZeDestructor - Saturday, March 24, 2018 - link
Excellent!Findecanor - Thursday, March 22, 2018 - link
For when your depend on precompiled x86 binaries.For everything else, there is ARM.
iter - Friday, March 23, 2018 - link
Thatn's one fat wallet. Probably what AT staff uses to stuff it with money from paid publications :)HStewart - Friday, March 23, 2018 - link
If you want to see a credit card computer - check out the Intel computer card - can literary fit in your wallet. But of course it requires a doc - or compute stick - I have m3 version and it can fit in my pocketThis one the same cpu, also have higher end cpus like m3-7 serious and i5
https://www.amazon.com/INTEL-CELERON-N3450-COMPUTE...
benzosaurus - Sunday, March 25, 2018 - link
From my experience using the CL100 (which is faster) on a project that probably got made a week longer just from me waiting for the CL100 to reboot and respond to UI events, I don't anticipate this going well.