The Android tablet market evaporated, because of terrible execution on behalf of the manufacturers. I waited for years and eventually succumbed to the iPad curse due to lack of other options. Oh yeah, the Surface is nice, but for what I needed the iPad Pro was actually cheaper.
Agreed. Though, with an 835, it could still conceivably run Windows 10 and emulate 32bit x86 applications. Perhaps they'll release a windows version later on. I wonder how difficult it would be to convert or dual boot.
But does it come with that gorgeous huge bezel... I honestly cannot get enough of it. I feel like it deserves even moar bezel.
And that thick body - they outta put even smaller battery in there, and an even slower and less useful CPU. Dual core A9 with 512 mb ram tops, and no more than 2 hours of battery life. Otherwise what's the point?
At $1500 they can have it, especially as Android / ARM cpu. Put a i7-8909g in this thing, and it maybe worth $1500. I would say anything above $800 is too much for it.
Just for comparison, I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 that cost me around $470 at BestBuy on sale, there is rumors next one (S4) could be 4K screen - they start about $600. So for a larger screen - I would say another $200.
I could see myself buying a 4k HDR AMOLED tablet from Samsung for $500. Something with screen quality as good as their flagship phones, but 10 inches. A perfect device for magazines, comics, watching stuff away from a TV.
IP68 water proof it too, so I can shower with it. :)
No way I am going to purchase a 12 in screen with ARM processor - I can understand having ARM in $1500 TV screen for apps on the TV but not as a primary processor.
A high end ARM processor would be fine, as long as the price reflected it. A price of $1500 is 3X too high for an android device in my opinion. With the same processor (assuming 835) and an ARM version of Windows 10 and (limited) x86 emulation, it becomes a bit more appealing, so I might say it's 2X too high (give or take). Give me a low power x86 processor along with a full version of Windows 10 and it might justify a $1xxx price tag.
While the audio equipment certainly adds to the bill of materials and goes a long way towards creating a high dollar premium device, the android operating system does not match well with such a premium device. Android has largely been relegated to the low cost budget area of the tablet market. Sure, there are a few outliers playing at being a premium device, but lack of sales as well as lack of decent mid range options suggests that there isn't much of a market left. Perhaps people have decided that devices that expensive need to do more than just consume media. Sure Android does games, but many don't translate well to larger screens. Consequently, most people I've seen play on their phones, their consoles, or their PCs. Productivity ...
Core CPU or bust, especially if its going to cost over a grand. Who cares about the $300 screen when it's running an SoC that will struggle to drive that resolution.
To be fair, I don't think an 835 is going to struggle with media playback on a 4K screen. Of course, I would still hesitate to spend the kind of money people are speculating this will cost on an Android tablet. A core CPU (and perhaps Windows OS) would go a long way to justifying the likely price tag.
That seems like a lot of expensive speaker hardware for something that would most likely be used with a good set of headphones. Doesn't make a lot of sense IMHO.
"And do not care about portability" -- Or screen quality apparently? You cannot put an LCD on a mobile device targeted at media watching and expect to be taken seriously. The Galaxy Tab S3 is an ancient(by mobile standards) product with mediocre support from Samsung and yet it's still a better device for media consumption than this.
So this is basically a Onkyo DP-X1 with a 12" 4k Display to watch movies wherever you go. The DP-X1 costs some $800 allready, so expect this to be double that price.
I don't mind it's looks. I quite like it actually.
What would be nice is if Onkyo or other AV vendors were to utilize this display in AV receivers etc to act as a preview or to assist in configuration. I'm tired of seeing 96 x 40 dot displays. High resolution color LCD are easy enough to come by and while they would increase cost, this is offset by easier to use, more flexible systems.
It looks like an overgrown version of the Onkyo DP-X1 high-resolution audio player. I have one and it's an excellent device, but they haven't released Android updates since it came out. The thickness compared to a 12.9" iPad Pro makes it essentially DOA.
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Holliday75 - Wednesday, March 7, 2018 - link
Las Vegas is putting the over under @ $1500. Let the betting begin!boozed - Wednesday, March 7, 2018 - link
That seems like an awful lot for a tablet running Android on an ARM SoC.I was a fan of Samsung's 12.2" tablets because it seemed like the concept had finally reached a really useful size. Obviously the market disagreed.
StevoLincolnite - Thursday, March 8, 2018 - link
To be fair, the Tablet market essentially evaporated anyway.zepi - Thursday, March 8, 2018 - link
Apple still sells 45million ipads a year.That alone is well over a billion usd/year.
niva - Thursday, March 8, 2018 - link
The Android tablet market evaporated, because of terrible execution on behalf of the manufacturers. I waited for years and eventually succumbed to the iPad curse due to lack of other options. Oh yeah, the Surface is nice, but for what I needed the iPad Pro was actually cheaper.Samus - Friday, March 9, 2018 - link
It's too bad it doesn't have at least a Core M with Windows 10. Android is going to severely restrict the ability for such a media oriented device.BurntMyBacon - Friday, March 9, 2018 - link
Agreed. Though, with an 835, it could still conceivably run Windows 10 and emulate 32bit x86 applications. Perhaps they'll release a windows version later on. I wonder how difficult it would be to convert or dual boot.timecop1818 - Wednesday, March 7, 2018 - link
Toshiba Satellite Radius 12 P25W-C2300-4K used the same screen in 2015 and it was less than $1k for that config for a real computer.iter - Thursday, March 8, 2018 - link
But does it come with that gorgeous huge bezel... I honestly cannot get enough of it. I feel like it deserves even moar bezel.And that thick body - they outta put even smaller battery in there, and an even slower and less useful CPU. Dual core A9 with 512 mb ram tops, and no more than 2 hours of battery life. Otherwise what's the point?
Sttm - Wednesday, March 7, 2018 - link
Is it even OLED?$650 tops!
HStewart - Wednesday, March 7, 2018 - link
At $1500 they can have it, especially as Android / ARM cpu. Put a i7-8909g in this thing, and it maybe worth $1500. I would say anything above $800 is too much for it.Just for comparison, I have a Samsung Galaxy S3 that cost me around $470 at BestBuy on sale, there is rumors next one (S4) could be 4K screen - they start about $600. So for a larger screen - I would say another $200.
Sttm - Thursday, March 8, 2018 - link
I could see myself buying a 4k HDR AMOLED tablet from Samsung for $500. Something with screen quality as good as their flagship phones, but 10 inches. A perfect device for magazines, comics, watching stuff away from a TV.IP68 water proof it too, so I can shower with it. :)
duploxxx - Thursday, March 8, 2018 - link
adding a stupid intel in that box? no way.its btw high def audio where you pay the premium if you understand audio requirements from onkyo...
HStewart - Thursday, March 8, 2018 - link
No way I am going to purchase a 12 in screen with ARM processor - I can understand having ARM in $1500 TV screen for apps on the TV but not as a primary processor.BurntMyBacon - Friday, March 9, 2018 - link
A high end ARM processor would be fine, as long as the price reflected it. A price of $1500 is 3X too high for an android device in my opinion. With the same processor (assuming 835) and an ARM version of Windows 10 and (limited) x86 emulation, it becomes a bit more appealing, so I might say it's 2X too high (give or take). Give me a low power x86 processor along with a full version of Windows 10 and it might justify a $1xxx price tag.While the audio equipment certainly adds to the bill of materials and goes a long way towards creating a high dollar premium device, the android operating system does not match well with such a premium device. Android has largely been relegated to the low cost budget area of the tablet market. Sure, there are a few outliers playing at being a premium device, but lack of sales as well as lack of decent mid range options suggests that there isn't much of a market left. Perhaps people have decided that devices that expensive need to do more than just consume media. Sure Android does games, but many don't translate well to larger screens. Consequently, most people I've seen play on their phones, their consoles, or their PCs. Productivity ...
gigantor21 - Thursday, March 8, 2018 - link
I have an S3 tablet as well, and the $500 I paid is the absolute limit I will spend on an Android tablet, 4K or otherwise.Samus - Friday, March 9, 2018 - link
That's what I'm sayin'Core CPU or bust, especially if its going to cost over a grand. Who cares about the $300 screen when it's running an SoC that will struggle to drive that resolution.
BurntMyBacon - Friday, March 9, 2018 - link
To be fair, I don't think an 835 is going to struggle with media playback on a 4K screen. Of course, I would still hesitate to spend the kind of money people are speculating this will cost on an Android tablet. A core CPU (and perhaps Windows OS) would go a long way to justifying the likely price tag.smartthanyou - Wednesday, March 7, 2018 - link
That seems like a lot of expensive speaker hardware for something that would most likely be used with a good set of headphones. Doesn't make a lot of sense IMHO.Diji1 - Friday, March 9, 2018 - link
You don't stay in hotels much then.name99 - Friday, March 9, 2018 - link
You think this makes more sense that casting your content to the hotel TV?YOU may think 4K on a 12" screen beats 1080p on a 40"+ screen, but I suspect very few agree with that assessment.
ianmills - Wednesday, March 7, 2018 - link
This thing is straight out of 1999. Think I even saw it in a movie onceLord of the Bored - Wednesday, March 7, 2018 - link
Man, I wish we had these in 1999.Sttm - Thursday, March 8, 2018 - link
I dont think they had those until like 2003, with Windows XP Tablet edition or whatever it was called.Dribble - Thursday, March 8, 2018 - link
A big tablet to watch stuff on is a good idea - we watch a lot of stuff on our tablet. Less keen if it's massively expensive and too brick like.Sancus - Thursday, March 8, 2018 - link
"And do not care about portability" -- Or screen quality apparently? You cannot put an LCD on a mobile device targeted at media watching and expect to be taken seriously. The Galaxy Tab S3 is an ancient(by mobile standards) product with mediocre support from Samsung and yet it's still a better device for media consumption than this.jrs77 - Thursday, March 8, 2018 - link
So this is basically a Onkyo DP-X1 with a 12" 4k Display to watch movies wherever you go. The DP-X1 costs some $800 allready, so expect this to be double that price.I don't mind it's looks. I quite like it actually.
jcbenten994 - Thursday, March 8, 2018 - link
Be cool if it is Flexible/Foldable LED. The way it looks now, with the speakers on the side, make it look old.Kevin G - Thursday, March 8, 2018 - link
What would be nice is if Onkyo or other AV vendors were to utilize this display in AV receivers etc to act as a preview or to assist in configuration. I'm tired of seeing 96 x 40 dot displays. High resolution color LCD are easy enough to come by and while they would increase cost, this is offset by easier to use, more flexible systems.fazalmajid - Friday, March 9, 2018 - link
It looks like an overgrown version of the Onkyo DP-X1 high-resolution audio player. I have one and it's an excellent device, but they haven't released Android updates since it came out. The thickness compared to a 12.9" iPad Pro makes it essentially DOA.