I don't trust LG to do the right thing anymore. While the phone really looks sleek, software has burned me once too often, and the very same thing goes for LG's bootloops (and the terrible customer support in that regard).
All of the above applies to the V30 already.. sooooooo..
... I really do not get this device. If -as promised- the V30 gets the "AI" features via software update*, why bother with a new device? Incremental hardware upgrades to hardware could always be made, but what's the point? Rebranding? The Damokles-S9? Being in the news with AI-stuff, even if it doesn't work?
To me, this signals that LG is out of their depth. They make nice hardware but fu*k up on other fronts. Historically, this has been software. And while they improved, they obviously did not have resources to properly implement their machine learning elements, let alone integrate it in any meaningful way (mind, others struggle with that second step too). Which indicates they did not get on board the train on time. While they fix their software and run after Google and Samsung (possibly Apple), others have turned towards making ML a useful element, and this disaster shows LG is a long way from the pack..
LG really has zero software skills to speak of. The company spent years riding Samsung's coattails and now that it has finally stopped doing that it hasn't come up with anything interesting of its own. It's just another Asian company with capable hardware engineers and zero software talent to speak of.
Agreed, never buy an LG product which promises to be "updated over time." In practice, software improves maybe 5% (or not at all) with the real fixes promised for the next hardware release.
AI without training isn't much smarter than a bag of nails, unfortunately. All that training data lives in the cloud, in the massive torrent of data that Google et al. vacuum up every day.
I wish neural networks on a phone could be used to recognize and process ultra-HDR scenes, something with 10+ stops of dynamic range, so that the user can alter relative contrast later on without dealing with clipped highs and crushed shadows.
well I'm a fan of LG, among all the LG bashers out there. I fell in love with the double tap wake up/sleep feature I found in LG G2 and I could not live with another phone without that feature since. Call me weird I guess, but that's just me. I just got to see what LG Judy has to offer now that this raised the bar already.
Can the AI tell you a week or two before the phone bootloops so you can backup all its data and sell/trade it?
This is a really nice looking, sleek, and powerful phone. However, LG has a lot of work to do to establish trust again. Not enough time has passed since their major disasters in 2015 and 2016.
<a href "https://youmobile.com.pk/phone/1157/oppo-f5-6gb-pr... "> The Oppo F5 sports a 6-inch Full HD display </a> with a resolution of 2160 x 1080 pixels. The device is backed by a 2.5GHz MediaTek 6763T octa-core processor, which is paired with 4GB RAM and 32GB of internal memory. The smartphone has a 16MP sensor at the back, while the front is equipped with a 20MP unit
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siberian3 - Sunday, February 25, 2018 - link
what Android version is using still 7.1 or the newer 8.0?jvl - Sunday, February 25, 2018 - link
I don't trust LG to do the right thing anymore. While the phone really looks sleek, software has burned me once too often, and the very same thing goes for LG's bootloops (and the terrible customer support in that regard).All of the above applies to the V30 already.. sooooooo..
... I really do not get this device. If -as promised- the V30 gets the "AI" features via software update*, why bother with a new device? Incremental hardware upgrades to hardware could always be made, but what's the point? Rebranding? The Damokles-S9? Being in the news with AI-stuff, even if it doesn't work?
To me, this signals that LG is out of their depth. They make nice hardware but fu*k up on other fronts. Historically, this has been software. And while they improved, they obviously did not have resources to properly implement their machine learning elements, let alone integrate it in any meaningful way (mind, others struggle with that second step too). Which indicates they did not get on board the train on time. While they fix their software and run after Google and Samsung (possibly Apple), others have turned towards making ML a useful element, and this disaster shows LG is a long way from the pack..
* something I doubt.. given their track record
thetuna - Sunday, February 25, 2018 - link
Same. I've completely written off LG at this point.krazyfrog - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
LG really has zero software skills to speak of. The company spent years riding Samsung's coattails and now that it has finally stopped doing that it hasn't come up with anything interesting of its own. It's just another Asian company with capable hardware engineers and zero software talent to speak of.Rocket321 - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
Agreed, never buy an LG product which promises to be "updated over time." In practice, software improves maybe 5% (or not at all) with the real fixes promised for the next hardware release.SydneyBlue120d - Sunday, February 25, 2018 - link
Is Project Treble supported on the original V30 updated with the new software?boozed - Sunday, February 25, 2018 - link
haha, "AI"Valantar - Sunday, February 25, 2018 - link
Indeed. Another meaningless, BS marketing term, completely devoid of any real value.Valantar - Sunday, February 25, 2018 - link
Yawn. Wake me up when "AI" means something other than "slightly more complex algorithms that are still ultimately as dumb as a bag of hammers".serendip - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
AI without training isn't much smarter than a bag of nails, unfortunately. All that training data lives in the cloud, in the massive torrent of data that Google et al. vacuum up every day.I wish neural networks on a phone could be used to recognize and process ultra-HDR scenes, something with 10+ stops of dynamic range, so that the user can alter relative contrast later on without dealing with clipped highs and crushed shadows.
SteelRing - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
well I'm a fan of LG, among all the LG bashers out there. I fell in love with the double tap wake up/sleep feature I found in LG G2 and I could not live with another phone without that feature since. Call me weird I guess, but that's just me. I just got to see what LG Judy has to offer now that this raised the bar already.BigDragon - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
Can the AI tell you a week or two before the phone bootloops so you can backup all its data and sell/trade it?This is a really nice looking, sleek, and powerful phone. However, LG has a lot of work to do to establish trust again. Not enough time has passed since their major disasters in 2015 and 2016.
Belkiolle - Thursday, March 1, 2018 - link
I've had all the LG Flagships going back to the G2 (both G and V series) and I've yet to have a bootloop.max123 - Friday, August 10, 2018 - link
<a href "https://youmobile.com.pk/phone/1157/oppo-f5-6gb-pr... "> The Oppo F5 sports a 6-inch Full HD display </a>with a resolution of 2160 x 1080 pixels. The device is backed by a 2.5GHz MediaTek 6763T octa-core processor, which is paired with 4GB RAM and 32GB of internal memory. The smartphone has a 16MP sensor at the back, while the front is equipped with a 20MP unit