Huawei is for many slaps. The 8” still does not have a flash at the camera, it does not have a earpiece, and is not dual sim. Then they wonders why sales are falling. At the time of the X2 huawei was fantastic. OF course they are doing it in purpose not to cannibalize their smart phone market. We are many that need an 8” tablet with all those features.
Not many, I'm afraid. The phablet market has indeed cannibalized the Android tablet market so that even Xiaomi have ditched tablets. Now it's the lower-tier manufacturers like Teclast who make cheap Android tablets using common ODM factories.
Most of this sad state has to do with Android having few tablet-focused apps in the first place. I used a Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet running Android for years until I switched over to cheap Windows tablets, simply because the apps were terrible. At least Windows tablets can run Win32 programs, even if the app store is a howling wasteland.
I'm not sure it's quite high end, but the Teclast Master T10 has 2xA73+4xA53, 4GB+64GB+SD, 2560x1600, and everything is quite nice (screen, sound, wifi,n speed, touch sensitivity, OS stability, build...) except I assume the update policy ^^, and the cameras and touchID sensor.
I'm happy with mine. It's $200-ish via regular sales on geekbuying. If you can live with iffy service and no updates, it's hard to recommend anything else, bran stuff at that price is a lot less well-specced, and bradn stuff with the same specs is 3x-4x as much. Teclast seem to release crappy and non-crappy tablets alternatively. This is one of the good series; my previous X16 Pro was one of the bad ones ^^
At least one major retailer has the current 9.7" iPad for $270, not to mention a trade-in program for older electronics. This is, to me, the nail in the coffin for 'mid-premium' Android tablets.
Also in the last week two new models of ipad were submitted to the Eurasian Economic Commission for regulatory approval. A1893 and A1954, which do not correspond to any current ipad whether mini, 9.7, or ipad pro.
We are likely going to have an ipad announcement in March,
The virality of Apple's ecosystem scares me. The device probably makes sense on its own, but on top of having to re-learn everything, locate the right apps, and buy special cables and doodads, I'd run up again and again into having to change my whole workflow and setup to accomodate Apple's way to do things. Plus I really need a huge storage, and HDMI out is a plus.
It's a pity Android tablets have such bad rep and failing suppliers. . Prices are going up on the flagships, and the sensible midrange seems to be deserted. I got Lenovo Yoga Tab Pluses for everyone these last 2 years, should have gotten one for me too since there has been no refresh. I used to find them for $250-ish which is fine, but they're priced like collector items nowadays.
It's worth the switch. I very much like the customizability of Android, but I don't miss it. Most of the customizations were to compensate for flaws in the platform. The iPad is great out of the box. I'm typing on it now. I've used it a couple hours a day for the last four days and still haven't bothered to charge it. It's extremely well-executed. You're on a generic tablet, but even if you had an S3 or whatever, I'd say the same thing: this is a wildly better product.
Ian Cutress, I am sorry, but your post is a complete bullshit. You are suggesting that before now there were no high-end Android tablets, and that the only Android tablets you could have were those using the SoC's using low-end A53 cores. This is of course false. In late 2016 or early 2017 (depending on the market) Huawei introduced the Mediapad M3 tablet. Its SoC was using A72 cores and was on par with Snapdragon 820. Another high end tablet is that Samsung Galaxy S3, introduced last year and using Snapdragon 820 SoC.
In fact, the anandtech website should really refrain from judging or recommending tablets since it hasn't posted a tablet review for more than a year. Go stick to your mechanical keyboards and power supplies. Leave the tablets alone since you don't have a whole lot of competency in them to begin with.
Wow, and people wonder why Anandtech has been languishing. Way too many of their articles feature vitriolic petulant pedantic whiny comments, where they scream "bias!!!!" or say the whole article is "complete bullshit" because they nitpick something.
He specifically mentioned the Tab S3 (hey, maybe I should be jackass too and call you an idiot for saying an almost 6 year old phone counts as a high end Android tablet in 2018?), which is ok (nice display and decent stylus, completely meh in every other way though) but was a bit outdated at launch.
His reasoning is likely that there aren't any Android tablets that are flagships like iPads used to be (or even Android tablets, I remember when people were eagerly waiting to see what new ASUS Transformer would be like, or see what the new Nexus 7 would offer). I'd argue that there's a big gaping whole in the iPad lineup recently as well, where there's a bigger disparity between the normal iPad and the iPad Pros, like that a smaller Pro or a more feature rich iPad would fill, but instead last year we got a sorta cheaper standard iPad, no new mini for a while, but new Pros. But we don't get any Android tablets really pushing things, where they get the newest or best SoC and other features lacking in even flagship phones (aside from typical things like battery sizes).
I'd guess that his bigger point is that without Google doing much of anything to really bolster Android as a tablet OS, which makes Android tablets inherently flawed. When companies do try to add software to make them better tablets we get people bitching about non-stock Android. Every so often Google will make a device but then it ends up being very niche, there's no concerted push for new Android tablets. Its "here's a tablet with some decent to good specs using a slightly dated SoC (which isn't a huge problem as it should throttle less in a tablet but just remember its just using whatever chip was in flagship phones 6 months to a year ago), who knows when you'll be able to actually buy it in the US and at what price, and good luck with support!"
Android tablets are an afterthought and it shows. But then most of the companies are making Surface Pro competing Win10 devices, and then trying to get sales on "consumer" tablets by undercutting iPads on price. They almost have a vested interest in not making a high end Android tablet. Probably because they don't seem to sell terribly well. Its a chicken and egg situation. Have a hunch it'll be years before we see this change (Google is likely putting their effort onto their Chrome/Android fusion FuchsiaOS as far as building good tablet functionality in). Who knows, maybe Win10 on ARM will actually develop into something good. More likely we'll get half-assed attempts like we saw with Windows Phones. Which, there's similarities with that and what we see in Android tablets, where we'd see phones with decent specs but they often didn't live up to the specs, or there's software issues, or various other flaws that just prevents them from being really worthwhile. Updates languish, fixes never come, and you're just left with a device that is functional and even has some appeal, but just doesn't offer what it could have.
Tablets in general are dying, if not dead already. The only people who buy tablets that I know of are ones with small children - and they don't care about performance or specs, or students and others who buy Windows-based PC tablets. It's no wonder, really - a (non-PC) tablet can't do more than the smartphone you already have, and due to the rapid upgrade cycle of smartphones you're likely to have a faster phone than a flagship tablet already, and if not, within a year or so. Not to mention it's another expensive device to upgrade, keep charged, and actually remember to use (as opposed to the phone that's already in your pocket). People expect tablets to be comparable to laptops in utility and longevity, but when there are no actual tablet SoCs to push performance beyond smartphone levels, that longevity is a pipe dream, and the utility is essentially on par with a phone. This isn't going to change.
Exactly. Amazon has cornered the low price tablet market and with their content eco-system, makes most Android tablets really not needed. With Fire HD 2017 8" coming as low as 50$, I got one for my kids. The Fire HD 2017 10" coming to 120$ (am waiting for 100$ as it happened during BF/CM 17), no Android tablet can hold a candle to this. Esp the HD10 contains MT8163 which is 2xA72 + 2xA53 with 1080p is a good deal at 199$, at 100$ it is a steal. Instead of competing with AMZN on content, GOOG gave up the market.
Besides Google has given up tablets and moved to Chrome OS and that is the area they are going to concentrate.
I have to agree. Over a year ago I purchased a HP Windows 10 2-in-1 detachable for $329 and have stopped using my android tablets all together. If I need an Android app, I will just use my phone. Tablets it seems are going the way of the the netbooks they replaced.
Tablets are dying, but I feel it applies only to Android tablets. Most people I know are using it only for watching movies or series. For Apple, their iPads are still doing well,. As a matter of fact, Apple have made great strides improving the performance of their SOCs that I am starting to find that it may be able to replace my hybrid laptop very soon. The only thing holding me back from switching is just the OS. At this point Windows for me is still more versatile as opposed to the walled garden with iOS.
Personally, I don't disagree with Ian that there is no actual high end tablets for Android. This is a problem for Android as their mobile parts are progressing at a blistering speed, the tablet side is lagging. Just looking back at 2017, if you are comparing a flagship Android tablet vs a Android phone, the specs on the tablet looks dated in almost every aspect, i.e. last gen SOC, lower memory, poorer displays, etc. I feel if I get an Android tablet, I am just getting a last gen Android phone. Where if you look to Apple, taking the iPad Pro 10.5 as an example, we see a processor A10X still beating the A11 Bionic SOC, more memory and a display may not be as great as compared to the iPhone X, but overall still an improvement from a performance perspective. Apple has made huge strides in terms SOC performance to the point that it is catching up with an Intel ULV processor which actually makes it an attractive option for me to replace my hybrid laptop.
In case anyone is thinking or shouting that I am an Apple fanboy, I have to state that I am an Android phone user. But when it comes to getting a tablet, objectively I would go for an Apple one because it seems to be the better deal for me(less the highly marked up Apple accessories).
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cmvrgr - Sunday, February 25, 2018 - link
Huawei is for many slaps. The 8” still does not have a flash at the camera, it does not have a earpiece, and is not dual sim. Then they wonders why sales are falling. At the time of the X2 huawei was fantastic. OF course they are doing it in purpose not to cannibalize their smart phone market. We are many that need an 8” tablet with all those features.serendip - Sunday, February 25, 2018 - link
Not many, I'm afraid. The phablet market has indeed cannibalized the Android tablet market so that even Xiaomi have ditched tablets. Now it's the lower-tier manufacturers like Teclast who make cheap Android tablets using common ODM factories.Most of this sad state has to do with Android having few tablet-focused apps in the first place. I used a Lenovo Thinkpad Tablet running Android for years until I switched over to cheap Windows tablets, simply because the apps were terrible. At least Windows tablets can run Win32 programs, even if the app store is a howling wasteland.
StormyParis - Sunday, February 25, 2018 - link
I'm not sure it's quite high end, but the Teclast Master T10 has 2xA73+4xA53, 4GB+64GB+SD, 2560x1600, and everything is quite nice (screen, sound, wifi,n speed, touch sensitivity, OS stability, build...) except I assume the update policy ^^, and the cameras and touchID sensor.I'm happy with mine. It's $200-ish via regular sales on geekbuying. If you can live with iffy service and no updates, it's hard to recommend anything else, bran stuff at that price is a lot less well-specced, and bradn stuff with the same specs is 3x-4x as much. Teclast seem to release crappy and non-crappy tablets alternatively. This is one of the good series; my previous X16 Pro was one of the bad ones ^^
alexdi - Sunday, February 25, 2018 - link
At least one major retailer has the current 9.7" iPad for $270, not to mention a trade-in program for older electronics. This is, to me, the nail in the coffin for 'mid-premium' Android tablets.Roland00Address - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
Also in the last week two new models of ipad were submitted to the Eurasian Economic Commission for regulatory approval. A1893 and A1954, which do not correspond to any current ipad whether mini, 9.7, or ipad pro.We are likely going to have an ipad announcement in March,
StormyParis - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
The virality of Apple's ecosystem scares me. The device probably makes sense on its own, but on top of having to re-learn everything, locate the right apps, and buy special cables and doodads, I'd run up again and again into having to change my whole workflow and setup to accomodate Apple's way to do things. Plus I really need a huge storage, and HDMI out is a plus.It's a pity Android tablets have such bad rep and failing suppliers. . Prices are going up on the flagships, and the sensible midrange seems to be deserted. I got Lenovo Yoga Tab Pluses for everyone these last 2 years, should have gotten one for me too since there has been no refresh. I used to find them for $250-ish which is fine, but they're priced like collector items nowadays.
alexdi - Tuesday, February 27, 2018 - link
It's worth the switch. I very much like the customizability of Android, but I don't miss it. Most of the customizations were to compensate for flaws in the platform. The iPad is great out of the box. I'm typing on it now. I've used it a couple hours a day for the last four days and still haven't bothered to charge it. It's extremely well-executed. You're on a generic tablet, but even if you had an S3 or whatever, I'd say the same thing: this is a wildly better product.mrvco - Sunday, February 25, 2018 - link
Google seems to have all but given up on aggressively pursuing the tablet and TV markets for Android.name99 - Sunday, February 25, 2018 - link
And the watch market...UtilityMax - Sunday, February 25, 2018 - link
Ian Cutress, I am sorry, but your post is a complete bullshit. You are suggesting that before now there were no high-end Android tablets, and that the only Android tablets you could have were those using the SoC's using low-end A53 cores. This is of course false. In late 2016 or early 2017 (depending on the market) Huawei introduced the Mediapad M3 tablet. Its SoC was using A72 cores and was on par with Snapdragon 820. Another high end tablet is that Samsung Galaxy S3, introduced last year and using Snapdragon 820 SoC.In fact, the anandtech website should really refrain from judging or recommending tablets since it hasn't posted a tablet review for more than a year. Go stick to your mechanical keyboards and power supplies. Leave the tablets alone since you don't have a whole lot of competency in them to begin with.
Hurr Durr - Sunday, February 25, 2018 - link
>m-muh tubletzYou`ll catch up, don`t worry.
darkswordsman17 - Sunday, February 25, 2018 - link
Wow, and people wonder why Anandtech has been languishing. Way too many of their articles feature vitriolic petulant pedantic whiny comments, where they scream "bias!!!!" or say the whole article is "complete bullshit" because they nitpick something.He specifically mentioned the Tab S3 (hey, maybe I should be jackass too and call you an idiot for saying an almost 6 year old phone counts as a high end Android tablet in 2018?), which is ok (nice display and decent stylus, completely meh in every other way though) but was a bit outdated at launch.
His reasoning is likely that there aren't any Android tablets that are flagships like iPads used to be (or even Android tablets, I remember when people were eagerly waiting to see what new ASUS Transformer would be like, or see what the new Nexus 7 would offer). I'd argue that there's a big gaping whole in the iPad lineup recently as well, where there's a bigger disparity between the normal iPad and the iPad Pros, like that a smaller Pro or a more feature rich iPad would fill, but instead last year we got a sorta cheaper standard iPad, no new mini for a while, but new Pros. But we don't get any Android tablets really pushing things, where they get the newest or best SoC and other features lacking in even flagship phones (aside from typical things like battery sizes).
I'd guess that his bigger point is that without Google doing much of anything to really bolster Android as a tablet OS, which makes Android tablets inherently flawed. When companies do try to add software to make them better tablets we get people bitching about non-stock Android. Every so often Google will make a device but then it ends up being very niche, there's no concerted push for new Android tablets. Its "here's a tablet with some decent to good specs using a slightly dated SoC (which isn't a huge problem as it should throttle less in a tablet but just remember its just using whatever chip was in flagship phones 6 months to a year ago), who knows when you'll be able to actually buy it in the US and at what price, and good luck with support!"
Android tablets are an afterthought and it shows. But then most of the companies are making Surface Pro competing Win10 devices, and then trying to get sales on "consumer" tablets by undercutting iPads on price. They almost have a vested interest in not making a high end Android tablet. Probably because they don't seem to sell terribly well. Its a chicken and egg situation. Have a hunch it'll be years before we see this change (Google is likely putting their effort onto their Chrome/Android fusion FuchsiaOS as far as building good tablet functionality in). Who knows, maybe Win10 on ARM will actually develop into something good. More likely we'll get half-assed attempts like we saw with Windows Phones. Which, there's similarities with that and what we see in Android tablets, where we'd see phones with decent specs but they often didn't live up to the specs, or there's software issues, or various other flaws that just prevents them from being really worthwhile. Updates languish, fixes never come, and you're just left with a device that is functional and even has some appeal, but just doesn't offer what it could have.
Valantar - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
Tablets in general are dying, if not dead already. The only people who buy tablets that I know of are ones with small children - and they don't care about performance or specs, or students and others who buy Windows-based PC tablets. It's no wonder, really - a (non-PC) tablet can't do more than the smartphone you already have, and due to the rapid upgrade cycle of smartphones you're likely to have a faster phone than a flagship tablet already, and if not, within a year or so. Not to mention it's another expensive device to upgrade, keep charged, and actually remember to use (as opposed to the phone that's already in your pocket). People expect tablets to be comparable to laptops in utility and longevity, but when there are no actual tablet SoCs to push performance beyond smartphone levels, that longevity is a pipe dream, and the utility is essentially on par with a phone. This isn't going to change.rocketbuddha - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
Exactly. Amazon has cornered the low price tablet market and with their content eco-system, makes most Android tablets really not needed.With Fire HD 2017 8" coming as low as 50$, I got one for my kids.
The Fire HD 2017 10" coming to 120$ (am waiting for 100$ as it happened during BF/CM 17), no Android tablet can hold a candle to this. Esp the HD10 contains MT8163 which is 2xA72 + 2xA53 with 1080p is a good deal at 199$, at 100$ it is a steal.
Instead of competing with AMZN on content, GOOG gave up the market.
Besides Google has given up tablets and moved to Chrome OS and that is the area they are going to concentrate.
ams511 - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
I have to agree. Over a year ago I purchased a HP Windows 10 2-in-1 detachable for $329 and have stopped using my android tablets all together. If I need an Android app, I will just use my phone. Tablets it seems are going the way of the the netbooks they replaced.watzupken - Wednesday, February 28, 2018 - link
Tablets are dying, but I feel it applies only to Android tablets. Most people I know are using it only for watching movies or series. For Apple, their iPads are still doing well,. As a matter of fact, Apple have made great strides improving the performance of their SOCs that I am starting to find that it may be able to replace my hybrid laptop very soon. The only thing holding me back from switching is just the OS. At this point Windows for me is still more versatile as opposed to the walled garden with iOS.Gemuk - Sunday, February 25, 2018 - link
He does have a point re: the M3. To not mention the M3 in a press release about the M5 is a severe oversight, both on AT and Huawei's part.t.s - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
pricing? go here: https://www.cnx-software.com/2018/02/26/huawei-med...watzupken - Wednesday, February 28, 2018 - link
Personally, I don't disagree with Ian that there is no actual high end tablets for Android. This is a problem for Android as their mobile parts are progressing at a blistering speed, the tablet side is lagging. Just looking back at 2017, if you are comparing a flagship Android tablet vs a Android phone, the specs on the tablet looks dated in almost every aspect, i.e. last gen SOC, lower memory, poorer displays, etc. I feel if I get an Android tablet, I am just getting a last gen Android phone.Where if you look to Apple, taking the iPad Pro 10.5 as an example, we see a processor A10X still beating the A11 Bionic SOC, more memory and a display may not be as great as compared to the iPhone X, but overall still an improvement from a performance perspective. Apple has made huge strides in terms SOC performance to the point that it is catching up with an Intel ULV processor which actually makes it an attractive option for me to replace my hybrid laptop.
In case anyone is thinking or shouting that I am an Apple fanboy, I have to state that I am an Android phone user. But when it comes to getting a tablet, objectively I would go for an Apple one because it seems to be the better deal for me(less the highly marked up Apple accessories).