The frustrating thing is still that going through a third party utility makes uptake potential on the Mac even less likely, as another niche within a niche. I really appreciate this effort, and the performance seems good, but Apple joining the rest of the world with native Vulkan support would go a further way to making more titles target it on the Mac.
It's a shame they had to do this just so Vulkan can also be used on macOS/iOS, because Apple refused to support Vulkan directly.
This move hurts everyone, including Apple, if iOS developers end-up adopting MoltenVK over Metal. They could have just adopted the "full" Vulkan and call it a day. Everyone would have been happy. But Apple had to be Apple.
"if ios developers end-up adopting MoltenVK over Metal". Fat chance, ios devs will always use Apple's exclusive APIs and if Apple ends up gluing ios apps to macos then it's game over for Vulkan on Macos.
Pretty much. These developers (mostly mobile games) won't care for crossplatform support, since android usually is an afterthought for game developers on mobile.
By the time vulkan came out apple was already developing stuff like CoreML to depend on metal. I can't see them adopting something that they can't control to go in a specific direction.
Apple was part of the Khronos Group. Likely, what they saw Vulkan doing wasn't good enough for their capabilities. Metal was created because Vulkan fell short.
This is garbage. Why do you blindly assume Apple can do better than all the GPU makers and games developers working together?
AMD's Mantle gave rise to Metal, Vulkan, and DX12, concurrently. If there's any *valid* reason for Apple to create Metal, it was probably that they didn't want to sit around and wait for Vulkan to materialize, as standards do take time. More likely, they were also eying the prospect of having another proprietary API to help keep their app developers in the corral.
Similar reason as why MS made Direct3D 12, instead of adopting Vulkan (except DX12 didn't come out that much before Vulkan).
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SydneyBlue120d - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
I still remember Samsung testing a Vulkan UX two years ago, but it never make in production, and the same applies to all other smartphone makers :(https://www.androidcentral.com/samsung-testing-new...
tipoo - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
Are all Android UIs going through OpenGL still then?SydneyBlue120d - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
AFAIK Yes, no one is using Vulkan other than videogames. Correct me if I'm wrong.137ben - Wednesday, February 28, 2018 - link
Some Linux UIs now use Vulkan, since QT supports Vulkan and GTK will soon. I hope android catches up in that regard.tipoo - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
The frustrating thing is still that going through a third party utility makes uptake potential on the Mac even less likely, as another niche within a niche. I really appreciate this effort, and the performance seems good, but Apple joining the rest of the world with native Vulkan support would go a further way to making more titles target it on the Mac.ET - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
For most stuff, yes, it likely won't be used, but for games it should be pretty useful, both for better Vulkan adoption and for more games on the Mac.Krysto - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
It's a shame they had to do this just so Vulkan can also be used on macOS/iOS, because Apple refused to support Vulkan directly.This move hurts everyone, including Apple, if iOS developers end-up adopting MoltenVK over Metal. They could have just adopted the "full" Vulkan and call it a day. Everyone would have been happy. But Apple had to be Apple.
id4andrei - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
"if ios developers end-up adopting MoltenVK over Metal". Fat chance, ios devs will always use Apple's exclusive APIs and if Apple ends up gluing ios apps to macos then it's game over for Vulkan on Macos.osxandwindows - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
Pretty much.These developers (mostly mobile games) won't care for crossplatform support, since android usually is an afterthought for game developers on mobile.
See rockstar's grand theft auto for example.
osxandwindows - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
By the time vulkan came out apple was already developing stuff like CoreML to depend on metal.I can't see them adopting something that they can't control to go in a specific direction.
iwod - Monday, February 26, 2018 - link
Isn't that the same with Microsoft. I mean most of the PC gaming platform is on Windows.It really doesn't hurt everyone. Because I dont see Vulkan being used much.
WinterCharm - Tuesday, February 27, 2018 - link
Yes. This is why DX 11 adoption is still so high among game developers.WinterCharm - Tuesday, February 27, 2018 - link
Apple was part of the Khronos Group. Likely, what they saw Vulkan doing wasn't good enough for their capabilities. Metal was created because Vulkan fell short.mode_13h - Wednesday, February 28, 2018 - link
This is garbage. Why do you blindly assume Apple can do better than all the GPU makers and games developers working together?AMD's Mantle gave rise to Metal, Vulkan, and DX12, concurrently. If there's any *valid* reason for Apple to create Metal, it was probably that they didn't want to sit around and wait for Vulkan to materialize, as standards do take time. More likely, they were also eying the prospect of having another proprietary API to help keep their app developers in the corral.
Similar reason as why MS made Direct3D 12, instead of adopting Vulkan (except DX12 didn't come out that much before Vulkan).
Boland - Sunday, January 20, 2019 - link
Mantle and Metal were released only months apart. Both were in development around the same time. Vulkan and DX12 followed much later.WinterCharm - Tuesday, February 27, 2018 - link
I really want to see that OpenGL vs Vulkan slide also include Metal on there. My guess is that Metal will offer even more performance.mode_13h - Wednesday, February 28, 2018 - link
Stop trolling.tipoo - Monday, March 12, 2018 - link
This is Vulkan being shimmed through Metal, so that's necessarily true.harryseth - Monday, May 28, 2018 - link
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petersongame217 - Wednesday, August 5, 2020 - link
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