It is possible that with 10nm that U products have low enough power to perform so that Y series is no longer need and entire U series will be fanless.
The source link pointed out something about low power NVidia MX130 GPU - it would be awesome if Intel/Nvidia could do a similar package as Intel/AMD package. There is no reason that NVidia could also take advantage of Intel's new embedded bus.
I think it would be interesting to find a bigger list of updates. This is microcode updates which likely mean security fixes coming in the near future.
I am curious about the U/Y series in the 10nm age as well. Up till now it's pretty simple to think Y-series = 4.5w TDP = fanless and U-series = 15w = fan(s). However, in 2017 there was a couple of Coffee Lake U-series notebooks that were fanless, which some people think might be intentionally throttled but fanless nonetheless. Is TDP still relevant in terms of fan and fanless designs as we go to 10nm?
Since TDP is short for Thermal Design Point, and it is all about how much heat has to be dissipated (not power consumed; but closely related)... I would say.... yes... it is still relevant in terms of fan vs fanless.
It is in no way "still relevant". TDP was, is and will always be the most important metric related to heat management of any system, from mobile to servers. The Cannon Lake dies will obviously be much smaller (unless they used the extra space to double the L2 & L3 caches, for instance, but that's very doubtful) and thus will dissipate more heat per mm^2, even if they are more power efficient. That makes heat management both easier and more difficult, from different perspectives : the CPU heat absorber will be smaller (thus will be cheaper) but the entire heat management system will need to be able to dissipate more heat per mm^2, presumably required to be more complicated and expensive.
What I found really exciting is what Intel / Dell has done with Dell XPS 15 2in1 - the 870xG CPU chip is quite powerful chip - and it suppose to be 100W for CPU and GPU combination and GPU should use more power that CPU - especially with 8550U only takes 15W - but this CPU is probable around 35W-45W for faster performance.
But what makes this notebook so amazing is cooling system on it and it allows 15 hour battery life even with GPU.in it.
But my purchase decision is what about other XPS 15 lines - maybe a 6 Correct 8550 mobile Coffer lake version with NVidia GPU.
But I personally expect this is nothing when Intel 10nm comes out
Forget Cannonlake. These are just test chips. Intel can't use the current 10nm process for any commercial products, because the current 14nm++ has superceded it in performance. Icelake will be on 10nm+. Because of the yield problems, Cannonlake has turned out to be a "pipe cleaner" for 10nm+.
Well some one will be fool, if you think Intel is not coming back extremely hard after the last year of competition both from AMD and likely more importantly because Qualcomm and Microsoft.
Well currently roadmaps looks like Intel will have a quite powerful 6 core 12 thread notebook this year and who knows maybe in extreme version 8 or more cores coming.
As for Cannon Lake, it could be test bed - and Intel may have made advancements in 10nm++ and because of AMD's Zen and incensement of core count, Intel would like beef up production in main line.
Keep in mind that Intel 10nm does not equal completion, it believe to be closer to completion up and coming 7 nm
But keep advantage is going to me mobile with 10nm
I just found the following that includes i5-8269U running at 15w with canon lake 10nm chips - this is a 4 core more i5 - this likely with canon lake that the i7 will be higher that 4 cores
WCCFtech is a really awful. You should not take anything seriously from that site. The i5-8269U appears in a Sisoftware database ... and the "proof" that it's 10nm? The fact that it clocks higher! No. It clocks higher simply because it's a 28W part, more than likely the new 28 W Iris for MacBook pro.
Yes WCCFtech is bad site for results - but there is other evidence of 6 core mobile Coffee Lake coming out - so it could be that 8269U is part of that generation. I would think if 28W and 4 core, that it could be 10nm - but then that would likely be 9269U part
AMD already sells a quad-core with cTDP at 15W...so unless Intel has baked some incredible improvements into Cannon Lake (which seems unlikely given the process node change), AMD is in a great position for Zen 2.
Haven't u been keeping up? Intel 14nm++ is outperforming 10nm in many metrics done by Intel themselves. That's why they haven't rolled out 10nm in bulk yet, as it figures out to be a wash vs 14nm++. Including process node utility offset, don't expect it to make an impact until Intel is gotten down to 10nm+ and beyond to see real improvements.
Intel is not stupid and 10nm is a big step more than any going from 22nm to 14nm. It is suppose more than even the competition claim 7nm. I believe the original designed was primary for low power devices but AMD made Intel think of higher performance and more cores,
Until Intel officially release 10nm - any metrics on the process are reliable. Especially with all the Intel haters on the internet
But here is one pc gamer report that 6 core mobile Cannon Lake has better performance than current desktop processors [ as of June 2017
this is really technical article to explains the process and significance of this process. It indicates that this is 2.7x increase in density and Intel's 22 -> 14nm increase was only 2.5x. This is suppose the largest density increase in Intel history of CPU's.
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niwax - Friday, February 16, 2018 - link
Suggestion: the 2+0 config is for use with AMD bundled graphicspeevee - Tuesday, February 20, 2018 - link
"The “2+2” denotes that a chip has two processing cores (the first number) as well as GT2-class graphics (the second number)"Is it for wearables or what? Goddamn cheapest phones have 8 cores now.
HStewart - Friday, February 16, 2018 - link
It is possible that with 10nm that U products have low enough power to perform so that Y series is no longer need and entire U series will be fanless.The source link pointed out something about low power NVidia MX130 GPU - it would be awesome if Intel/Nvidia could do a similar package as Intel/AMD package. There is no reason that NVidia could also take advantage of Intel's new embedded bus.
I think it would be interesting to find a bigger list of updates. This is microcode updates which likely mean security fixes coming in the near future.
wr3zzz - Friday, February 16, 2018 - link
I am curious about the U/Y series in the 10nm age as well. Up till now it's pretty simple to think Y-series = 4.5w TDP = fanless and U-series = 15w = fan(s). However, in 2017 there was a couple of Coffee Lake U-series notebooks that were fanless, which some people think might be intentionally throttled but fanless nonetheless. Is TDP still relevant in terms of fan and fanless designs as we go to 10nm?bkkcanuck - Saturday, February 17, 2018 - link
Since TDP is short for Thermal Design Point, and it is all about how much heat has to be dissipated (not power consumed; but closely related)... I would say.... yes... it is still relevant in terms of fan vs fanless.Santoval - Saturday, February 17, 2018 - link
It is in no way "still relevant". TDP was, is and will always be the most important metric related to heat management of any system, from mobile to servers. The Cannon Lake dies will obviously be much smaller (unless they used the extra space to double the L2 & L3 caches, for instance, but that's very doubtful) and thus will dissipate more heat per mm^2, even if they are more power efficient.That makes heat management both easier and more difficult, from different perspectives : the CPU heat absorber will be smaller (thus will be cheaper) but the entire heat management system will need to be able to dissipate more heat per mm^2, presumably required to be more complicated and expensive.
Samus - Saturday, February 17, 2018 - link
I agree. Y series might be killed off if the new U series runs at 8-10w TDP. The GPU-less part should easily be able to hit 8w.HStewart - Saturday, February 17, 2018 - link
What I found really exciting is what Intel / Dell has done with Dell XPS 15 2in1 - the 870xG CPU chip is quite powerful chip - and it suppose to be 100W for CPU and GPU combination and GPU should use more power that CPU - especially with 8550U only takes 15W - but this CPU is probable around 35W-45W for faster performance.But what makes this notebook so amazing is cooling system on it and it allows 15 hour battery life even with GPU.in it.
But my purchase decision is what about other XPS 15 lines - maybe a 6 Correct 8550 mobile Coffer lake version with NVidia GPU.
But I personally expect this is nothing when Intel 10nm comes out
lefty2 - Friday, February 16, 2018 - link
Forget Cannonlake. These are just test chips. Intel can't use the current 10nm process for any commercial products, because the current 14nm++ has superceded it in performance. Icelake will be on 10nm+. Because of the yield problems, Cannonlake has turned out to be a "pipe cleaner" for 10nm+.HStewart - Saturday, February 17, 2018 - link
Well some one will be fool, if you think Intel is not coming back extremely hard after the last year of competition both from AMD and likely more importantly because Qualcomm and Microsoft.Well currently roadmaps looks like Intel will have a quite powerful 6 core 12 thread notebook this year and who knows maybe in extreme version 8 or more cores coming.
As for Cannon Lake, it could be test bed - and Intel may have made advancements in 10nm++ and because of AMD's Zen and incensement of core count, Intel would like beef up production in main line.
Keep in mind that Intel 10nm does not equal completion, it believe to be closer to completion up and coming 7 nm
But keep advantage is going to me mobile with 10nm
HStewart - Saturday, February 17, 2018 - link
I just found the following that includes i5-8269U running at 15w with canon lake 10nm chips - this is a 4 core more i5 - this likely with canon lake that the i7 will be higher that 4 coreshttps://wccftech.com/intel-core-i5-8269u-cannonlak...
Also base clock speed for i5 is 2.6 with max of 3.6
My guess this i5 will bee todays i7 mobile quad cores like the 8550U or come very close to it
lefty2 - Sunday, February 18, 2018 - link
WCCFtech is a really awful. You should not take anything seriously from that site. The i5-8269U appears in a Sisoftware database ... and the "proof" that it's 10nm? The fact that it clocks higher! No. It clocks higher simply because it's a 28W part, more than likely the new 28 W Iris for MacBook pro.HStewart - Monday, February 19, 2018 - link
Yes WCCFtech is bad site for results - but there is other evidence of 6 core mobile Coffee Lake coming out - so it could be that 8269U is part of that generation. I would think if 28W and 4 core, that it could be 10nm - but then that would likely be 9269U partSahrin - Friday, February 16, 2018 - link
AMD already sells a quad-core with cTDP at 15W...so unless Intel has baked some incredible improvements into Cannon Lake (which seems unlikely given the process node change), AMD is in a great position for Zen 2.HStewart - Saturday, February 17, 2018 - link
Intel's existing quad core 855U is 15W and that is at 14nm - so 10nm is going to be even better.Rayb - Saturday, February 17, 2018 - link
Haven't u been keeping up? Intel 14nm++ is outperforming 10nm in many metrics done by Intel themselves. That's why they haven't rolled out 10nm in bulk yet, as it figures out to be a wash vs 14nm++. Including process node utility offset, don't expect it to make an impact until Intel is gotten down to 10nm+ and beyond to see real improvements.HStewart - Monday, February 19, 2018 - link
Intel is not stupid and 10nm is a big step more than any going from 22nm to 14nm. It is suppose more than even the competition claim 7nm. I believe the original designed was primary for low power devices but AMD made Intel think of higher performance and more cores,Until Intel officially release 10nm - any metrics on the process are reliable. Especially with all the Intel haters on the internet
But here is one pc gamer report that 6 core mobile Cannon Lake has better performance than current desktop processors [ as of June 2017
https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel-cannonlake-10nm
HStewart - Monday, February 19, 2018 - link
EDIT process are NOT reliable.Pork@III - Sunday, February 18, 2018 - link
Intel Dual Core...back in 2006. This is ridiculous! We live in 2018 now and we in supermulticore mode!HStewart - Tuesday, February 20, 2018 - link
I found the following article on Intel forth coming 10nm processhttps://fuse.wikichip.org/news/525/iedm-2017-isscc...
this is really technical article to explains the process and significance of this process. It indicates that this is 2.7x increase in density and Intel's 22 -> 14nm increase was only 2.5x. This is suppose the largest density increase in Intel history of CPU's.