The chart on the 860 EVO shows MLC instead of TLC memory. Is the EVO moving to MLC memory? If so, what's the difference between the 2 models to justify the price savings?
Might be because Samsung itself has a hilarious way to try to mislead and lists it as "Samsung V-NAND 3bit MLC". They can argue all they want but MLC defines 2 bit per cell and this is false advertising.
That's exactly what i was saying, this kind of argument does not stand. MLC is strictly used for 2 bits and what they are doing is illegal and immoral.
SSD makers explicitly used MLC to distinguish from SLC Nand to distinguish between 2bits/cell vs 1bit/cell. With advent of 3bits/cell(840evo) we got a new term TLC and now Toshiba/Sandisk have 4bits/cell NAND called QLC.
I'm going to have to agree with Samsung on this one. The [SMTQ]LC terminology breaks down after 4 bits/cell. 5 bits/cell would also be QLC. It makes more sense to call these drives n-bit MLC.
"Three shall be the NAND cell voltage states thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out."
"Once the number three, being the third bit, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Data towards thou drive, who being MLC in my sight, shall store it.'"
I know it's customary to use MLC for 2-bit cells, but it's actually not Samsungs fault that this inaccuracy became customary before people thought of TLC in SSDs. Had they called MLC "DLC" instead all would be fine and MLC could be anything >=2.
Explain multiplayer for me then. Multi is 2 or more. So playing a game that says multiplayer and notice it can do 4 players instead of 2 is misleading as well?
I notice that for Samsung they list the DRAM specifications where as Crucial doesn't. Is there any official documents on what Crucial has for DRAM on say the MX500?
What is the main difference between 850 EVO and 860 EVO? If it is a upgraded version, then why is there a slight performance loss? If i get both for the same price, which one should i buy!!!
I'd buy an 850 Evo only because it's a mature product. The 860 is the new product and will no doubt have an issue or two that will have to be addressed. Again, just my view on which one to buy.
Now if you were going for the Pro models, I would definitely get an 850 since the warranty is 10 years versus the 5 year one for the 860 Pro.
There's 8 times hire TBW (total bytes written) in the warranty. I don't think the durability is that different but the warranty is. The 860 EVO 4TB looks like the safer bet if you plan to use the drive actively in a production environment (the 850 EVO 4TB with 300TBW warrantied lifespan only allows for writing over the disk 75x, not much in a video or sound production house).
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dgingeri - Tuesday, January 23, 2018 - link
The chart on the 860 EVO shows MLC instead of TLC memory. Is the EVO moving to MLC memory? If so, what's the difference between the 2 models to justify the price savings?jjj - Tuesday, January 23, 2018 - link
Small error, you list the EVO as MLC.Might be because Samsung itself has a hilarious way to try to mislead and lists it as "Samsung V-NAND 3bit MLC". They can argue all they want but MLC defines 2 bit per cell and this is false advertising.
Arnulf - Tuesday, January 23, 2018 - link
"Multi" means "other-than-single" level cell."3 bit MLC" is quite clear - it's 3 bits per cell; not 1, not 2, not 4, not 5 or more but 3.
Is this what the product actually delivers? Yes, it is.
jjj - Tuesday, January 23, 2018 - link
That's exactly what i was saying, this kind of argument does not stand. MLC is strictly used for 2 bits and what they are doing is illegal and immoral.Adul - Tuesday, January 23, 2018 - link
How is that illegal? Where in the dictionary does it say multi means two strictly? They do say 3 bit MLC which is technically correct and accurate.Chaitanya - Tuesday, January 23, 2018 - link
SSD makers explicitly used MLC to distinguish from SLC Nand to distinguish between 2bits/cell vs 1bit/cell. With advent of 3bits/cell(840evo) we got a new term TLC and now Toshiba/Sandisk have 4bits/cell NAND called QLC.Solandri - Friday, January 26, 2018 - link
I'm going to have to agree with Samsung on this one. The [SMTQ]LC terminology breaks down after 4 bits/cell. 5 bits/cell would also be QLC. It makes more sense to call these drives n-bit MLC.edzieba - Tuesday, January 23, 2018 - link
"Three shall be the NAND cell voltage states thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out."ajp_anton - Tuesday, January 23, 2018 - link
There are 2^n voltage stages, not n. So 3-bit cells have 8 voltage levels.masouth - Monday, January 29, 2018 - link
"Once the number three, being the third bit, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Data towards thou drive, who being MLC in my sight, shall store it.'"DavidCa - Tuesday, February 20, 2018 - link
Best Comment Ever :DMrSpadge - Tuesday, January 23, 2018 - link
Is 3 levels / bits not "multi level"?I know it's customary to use MLC for 2-bit cells, but it's actually not Samsungs fault that this inaccuracy became customary before people thought of TLC in SSDs. Had they called MLC "DLC" instead all would be fine and MLC could be anything >=2.
Jessie00884230 - Tuesday, January 23, 2018 - link
Explain multiplayer for me then. Multi is 2 or more. So playing a game that says multiplayer and notice it can do 4 players instead of 2 is misleading as well?Jessie00884230 - Tuesday, January 23, 2018 - link
This has to be a troll lol cause if you're serious then we sure deserve trump as pressident.divertedpanda - Tuesday, January 23, 2018 - link
I notice that for Samsung they list the DRAM specifications where as Crucial doesn't. Is there any official documents on what Crucial has for DRAM on say the MX500?Melisa - Wednesday, January 24, 2018 - link
I am pretty much pleased with your good work.iwod - Wednesday, January 24, 2018 - link
Will we see 500GB under $100 in 2019?vladx - Saturday, January 27, 2018 - link
My 840 Evo is still kicking ass and at 90% wear leveling, there's literally no reason for me to switch to a 860 series.saketh_ravirala - Sunday, February 18, 2018 - link
What is the main difference between 850 EVO and 860 EVO?If it is a upgraded version, then why is there a slight performance loss?
If i get both for the same price, which one should i buy!!!
jcwbnimble - Wednesday, February 21, 2018 - link
I'd buy an 850 Evo only because it's a mature product. The 860 is the new product and will no doubt have an issue or two that will have to be addressed. Again, just my view on which one to buy.Now if you were going for the Pro models, I would definitely get an 850 since the warranty is 10 years versus the 5 year one for the 860 Pro.
foliovision - Wednesday, June 6, 2018 - link
There's 8 times hire TBW (total bytes written) in the warranty. I don't think the durability is that different but the warranty is. The 860 EVO 4TB looks like the safer bet if you plan to use the drive actively in a production environment (the 850 EVO 4TB with 300TBW warrantied lifespan only allows for writing over the disk 75x, not much in a video or sound production house).