OEMs are likely to pay something a lot lower than this price. Something in the low double digits, likely. It's a reason AMD doesn't list a 'price' for its embedded stuff.
The first post about the OMG PRICES on ARK followed by the explanation that nobody actually pays those prices should just be posted at the top of every single story about Atom or other OEM processors just to get it out of the way.
Probably shouldn’t mention the price and just say it’s the cheapest on ARK, since that price appears to have no bearing on the cost of the product being discussed. I made the comment cause it made me wonder how Atom-based Celerons got so expensive.
They've never been significantly cheaper. It was the "tablet / phone edition" which was officially priced in the 30 - 40$ range, if I remember correctly. Same chip, but lower TDP. Anything officially suitable for a full PC is being listed as a lot more expensive.
Well it would be better to look at the ARM credit card size boards that are already available. They will run Linux which is a better bet for the storage. They are either much cheaper but not as fast like the Raspberry PI, or if they are faster they are a bit dearer. It is probably a question of volume what the price is and that the dearer ones are mainly for developer prototyping.
Well, yes, it is larger than a Compute Card. It is also a standalone device with standard connectors, whereas the Compute Card must be connected to something else due to a lack of them.
We have a bunch of signage PCs at work that came with 32GB drives. They only have Windows 10 and the signage client installed, and they never had enough free drive space to download and install a feature update for Windows 10(from 1703 to 1709 for example). Thankfully, they where M.2 drives and we could drop larger drives in.
If these Zotacs even had 64GB, they'd avoid that issue.
You could of course use Linux which can fit in a 32gb disk with much ease, and you will be able to keep it updated and safe. Why are you paying Windows licenses when you do not have to?
That's just silly. You simply cannot have a machine with that much storage and, as others have mentioned, the way Windows 10 updates basically means that 32Gb will be full within 6 months.
These look really interesting until you get to the 32GB eMMC part of the spec sheet where it quickly loses basically any potential use for even the most mundane tasks. Windows DOES NOT work properly with so little storage space without forcing the user to jump through stupid hoops to free up the capacity to do something as simple as install OS updates. I won't be taken in by the 32GB trap again. I learned that the hard way once already. 64GB is the absolute minimum I'd accept on a general purpose PC platform.
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MonkeyPaw - Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - link
$107 is the cheapest price of Celeron? That seems especially bad considering Windows on ARM is becoming a thing again.Ian Cutress - Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - link
OEMs are likely to pay something a lot lower than this price. Something in the low double digits, likely. It's a reason AMD doesn't list a 'price' for its embedded stuff.CajunArson - Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - link
The first post about the OMG PRICES on ARK followed by the explanation that nobody actually pays those prices should just be posted at the top of every single story about Atom or other OEM processors just to get it out of the way.MonkeyPaw - Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - link
Probably shouldn’t mention the price and just say it’s the cheapest on ARK, since that price appears to have no bearing on the cost of the product being discussed. I made the comment cause it made me wonder how Atom-based Celerons got so expensive.MrSpadge - Thursday, January 18, 2018 - link
They've never been significantly cheaper. It was the "tablet / phone edition" which was officially priced in the 30 - 40$ range, if I remember correctly. Same chip, but lower TDP. Anything officially suitable for a full PC is being listed as a lot more expensive.HStewart - Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - link
Windows for ARM is still a major unknown right now - it can very be possibly Windows RT. Again.HStewart - Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - link
One more thing, the only way I would ever purchase a Windows for ARM device if it sub-$200 pricing similar to Atom based pricing.III-V - Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - link
It'd need to be cheaper, IMO. I wouldn't touch ARM otherwise.Dmcq - Thursday, January 18, 2018 - link
Well it would be better to look at the ARM credit card size boards that are already available. They will run Linux which is a better bet for the storage. They are either much cheaper but not as fast like the Raspberry PI, or if they are faster they are a bit dearer. It is probably a question of volume what the price is and that the dearer ones are mainly for developer prototyping.IntelUser2000 - Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - link
Celeron J3355 is listed as $107 on ARK.I could buy a motherboard that embeds the J3355 for $79 Canadian dollars on Newegg. That's $65 for your Americans.
Volodath - Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - link
$55 USD on newegg, and free if you're a student/premier. Apparently they're faster in real world applications than the older J1900 models.IntelUser2000 - Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - link
Canadian retailers/versions overcharge, I know that.The point is ARK pricing doesn't reflect what Intel sells them for. Otherwise, retailers like Newegg would have zero profit.
phoenix_rizzen - Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - link
Article specifies 2x USB 3.0 Type-C ports on the smaller one, but the table lists those as 2x USB 3.1 Type-C ports. Which is correct?Tabalan - Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - link
Both, they changed the name of USB 3.0 to USB 3.1 Gen1. We also got proper USB 3.1, which is called USB 3.1 Gen2. Unnecessary mess with names, I know.HStewart - Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - link
This thing is actually quite large if you compare it to Intel's Compute Card which actually credit card sizehttps://www.amazon.com/Intel-BLKCD1P64GK-Compute-C...
Also not currently available now they are coming out with y version of Chips - which are significantly faster than this chip or new ARM windows chips.
I am typing this on a m3-6y30 version Intel compute stick which can fit in my pocket.
Lord of the Bored - Thursday, January 18, 2018 - link
Well, yes, it is larger than a Compute Card. It is also a standalone device with standard connectors, whereas the Compute Card must be connected to something else due to a lack of them.Alistair - Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - link
Windows does not run properly with 32GB storage. 64GB is the minimum. I wish they'd stop these scams.Mr Perfect - Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - link
The 32GB of MMC gives me pause...We have a bunch of signage PCs at work that came with 32GB drives. They only have Windows 10 and the signage client installed, and they never had enough free drive space to download and install a feature update for Windows 10(from 1703 to 1709 for example). Thankfully, they where M.2 drives and we could drop larger drives in.
If these Zotacs even had 64GB, they'd avoid that issue.
mpbello - Thursday, January 18, 2018 - link
You could of course use Linux which can fit in a 32gb disk with much ease, and you will be able to keep it updated and safe. Why are you paying Windows licenses when you do not have to?HideOut - Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - link
I agree with most of these people, has promise but needs AT LEAST 64gb of storage. Would be nice to have an 8gb RAM option too.nagi603 - Thursday, January 18, 2018 - link
Yeah, 64gb or a user serviceable m.2 drive would be ideal. 8GB RAM would be vital for quite a lot of use-cases in the long run.damianrobertjones - Thursday, January 18, 2018 - link
32 GB storage.That's just silly. You simply cannot have a machine with that much storage and, as others have mentioned, the way Windows 10 updates basically means that 32Gb will be full within 6 months.
PeachNCream - Thursday, January 18, 2018 - link
These look really interesting until you get to the 32GB eMMC part of the spec sheet where it quickly loses basically any potential use for even the most mundane tasks. Windows DOES NOT work properly with so little storage space without forcing the user to jump through stupid hoops to free up the capacity to do something as simple as install OS updates. I won't be taken in by the 32GB trap again. I learned that the hard way once already. 64GB is the absolute minimum I'd accept on a general purpose PC platform.t.s - Thursday, January 18, 2018 - link
32GB storage with win10? They never learn.BlueBlazer - Friday, January 19, 2018 - link
Errata in article about TDP specifications. Both Intel Celeron N4100 https://ark.intel.com/products/128983/Intel-Celero... and Intel Celeron N4000 https://ark.intel.com/products/128988/Intel-Celero... are rated at 6W TDP.