You don’t have to have an Internet connected TV. Even if you did I’m sure there’d be some crafty way to figure out the IP addresses it’s homing back to to report statistics and devise a way to keep any of it from getting out, you know
As in the "Content Recovery in Redistribution Scenarios," ATSC 3.0 has fingerprinting/watermarking methods that are intentionally designed to communicate with these isolated devices; they specifically cite an example of reaching a TV/STB set-up only connected by HDMI. You may need to somehow ensure that mobile devices (and perhaps not just your own) or STB itself aren't phoning home on behalf of the a non internet connected TV.
No mention that ATSC 3.0 is a patent coated minefield complete with large royalty payments that will go on for decades? I think I'll just wait for AV1.
For course the broadcasters love it. And the TV manufacturers love it. And the patent holders love it. Too bad as a consumer I have zero intention of buying an ATSC 3.0 TV.
Except a computer monitor is designed to be used at close quarters and lacks features expected of a TV today, such as a remote control. I had a 27" Samsung monitor set up with a Roku for my elderly mother briefly. It worked but it was clunky in that she had no way to adjust the volume remotely. (She rarely watches in her room but we were anticipating situations where she might be confined to bed for a prolonged period.) It stopped being a problem when we got a new, somewhat better TV for the living room and moved the existing one to her room.
So yes, there is a difference between a computer monitor and something intended to be a display for group viewing.
I was looking forward to 3.0... and now that it has been revealed I'm completely disappointed.
DRM? Really? They want to charge for OTA feeds? Thanks, FCC!
And as commented earlier, every media codec they selected is encumbered in patents that make it extremely unfriendly to consumers. 3.0 is a big win for the big media companies and a big loss to everyone else.
DRM IS possible with ATSC 3.0 but encryption/conditional access is already a part of the current ATSC standard deployed across the US. The FCC would yank a broadcaster’s license so fast if they decided to put everything behind a paywall
I have done research on this topic. I have not seen anything that explains why a user should care about the patent negotiations between corporations. So long as my equipment can play back the content in question, what is the problem for me? Patents don't make something more or less attractive or usable.
'no edit button' is by design. i actually like it this way; it forces you to think twice about what you want to say and if you don't, it will show. your words and arguments stand on their own and can't be edited after the fact. when you discuss something in real life, you don't get to go back and change what you said, can you?
Personally, I am looking forward to ATSC 3.0 because of the improvements in reception over ATSC 1.0. However, I will be blocking, to the best of my ability, all marketing content.
Unfortunately, the advertising/content industry still has not gotten that advertising simply does not work except on the most gullible.
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nathanddrews - Friday, January 12, 2018 - link
2019 might be a good year to upgrade. ATSC 3.0 and HDMI 2.1, maybe even a high end micro-LED for sale? Hmm... probably not until 2022...Lolimaster - Friday, January 12, 2018 - link
microled requiring 146 inches for just 4k, it's totally out for a handful of years. Just get a nice OLED.For the quality of air/cable tv to improve, COMPANIES NEED TO USE IT THAT NEW FEATURES.
r3loaded - Friday, January 12, 2018 - link
Yeah, they can get bent if they think I'm buying into their data mining + advertising platform that just happens to also serve 4K video content.celestis - Friday, January 12, 2018 - link
You don’t have to have an Internet connected TV. Even if you did I’m sure there’d be some crafty way to figure out the IP addresses it’s homing back to to report statistics and devise a way to keep any of it from getting out, you knowNate Oh - Friday, January 12, 2018 - link
As in the "Content Recovery in Redistribution Scenarios," ATSC 3.0 has fingerprinting/watermarking methods that are intentionally designed to communicate with these isolated devices; they specifically cite an example of reaching a TV/STB set-up only connected by HDMI. You may need to somehow ensure that mobile devices (and perhaps not just your own) or STB itself aren't phoning home on behalf of the a non internet connected TV.jonsmirl - Friday, January 12, 2018 - link
No mention that ATSC 3.0 is a patent coated minefield complete with large royalty payments that will go on for decades? I think I'll just wait for AV1.For course the broadcasters love it. And the TV manufacturers love it. And the patent holders love it. Too bad as a consumer I have zero intention of buying an ATSC 3.0 TV.
A5 - Friday, January 12, 2018 - link
You won't have a choice, unless Vizio keeps making their TVs "tuner-free displays". Everyone else builds it in.jonsmirl - Saturday, January 13, 2018 - link
The common term for a "tuner-free display" is a computer monitor. They are sold everywhere.epobirs - Wednesday, January 17, 2018 - link
Except a computer monitor is designed to be used at close quarters and lacks features expected of a TV today, such as a remote control. I had a 27" Samsung monitor set up with a Roku for my elderly mother briefly. It worked but it was clunky in that she had no way to adjust the volume remotely. (She rarely watches in her room but we were anticipating situations where she might be confined to bed for a prolonged period.) It stopped being a problem when we got a new, somewhat better TV for the living room and moved the existing one to her room.So yes, there is a difference between a computer monitor and something intended to be a display for group viewing.
iwod - Friday, January 12, 2018 - link
Why would a consumer care, if all they are paying is extra $1 or two to get it now, rather then waiting for AV1.jonsmirl - Saturday, January 13, 2018 - link
When ATSC 1.0 HDTV came out the patent royalty load was in the $25-40 per set range.edzieba - Friday, January 12, 2018 - link
Sounds a lot like YouView (nee Project Canvas) currently in operation in the UK.mooninite - Friday, January 12, 2018 - link
I was looking forward to 3.0... and now that it has been revealed I'm completely disappointed.DRM? Really? They want to charge for OTA feeds? Thanks, FCC!
And as commented earlier, every media codec they selected is encumbered in patents that make it extremely unfriendly to consumers. 3.0 is a big win for the big media companies and a big loss to everyone else.
celestis - Friday, January 12, 2018 - link
DRM IS possible with ATSC 3.0 but encryption/conditional access is already a part of the current ATSC standard deployed across the US. The FCC would yank a broadcaster’s license so fast if they decided to put everything behind a paywallbji - Friday, January 12, 2018 - link
This is Trump's FCC now. Don't be so sure.Reflex - Friday, January 12, 2018 - link
How do the media codec patents make watching tv unfriendly to consumers?mooninite - Friday, January 12, 2018 - link
If you have to ask this question I encourage you to do a little research.Reflex - Monday, January 15, 2018 - link
I have done research on this topic. I have not seen anything that explains why a user should care about the patent negotiations between corporations. So long as my equipment can play back the content in question, what is the problem for me? Patents don't make something more or less attractive or usable.Lolimaster - Friday, January 12, 2018 - link
Specially from japanes cable tv, each other cable provider looks shittier year after year vs streaming or youtube/bd content.MPEG2 is just so horrid for video or mpeg with shitty quality setting used on most cable companies.
Lolimaster - Friday, January 12, 2018 - link
I mean "from no japanese cable tv".2018 AND STILL NO EDIT BUTTON
amoledballoon - Friday, January 12, 2018 - link
'no edit button' is by design. i actually like it this way; it forces you to think twice about what you want to say and if you don't, it will show. your words and arguments stand on their own and can't be edited after the fact. when you discuss something in real life, you don't get to go back and change what you said, can you?Cullinaire - Friday, January 12, 2018 - link
Exactly. 2018 and people still don't get it.StrangerGuy - Saturday, January 13, 2018 - link
That's a lot of words devoted to a solution desperately looking for a problem.wiyosaya - Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - link
Personally, I am looking forward to ATSC 3.0 because of the improvements in reception over ATSC 1.0. However, I will be blocking, to the best of my ability, all marketing content.Unfortunately, the advertising/content industry still has not gotten that advertising simply does not work except on the most gullible.
ninniwein - Monday, May 7, 2018 - link
I love this TV. Awesome.