"This Meltdown and Specter thing is so incredibly overblown. Can't wait for this nonsense to blow over so I can get some real news in my feed." ------------------------------------------------------------ Good response Brian!
Grow up, Gamerkids! When the overall performance increase over the last 5 years is less than 5% or sometimes it is even negative 1% decrease in performance can be huge. Maybe not on your lame $3000 desktop but on a data center that costs billions. Nobody really knows the true cost of this "feature". Researchers point out any numbers between 5% and 50% performance loss. Who knows what that might mean a couple of dropped frames or maybe stuttering. But that is not the important thing - security is what is most troubling and that this site is full of lame gamers!
"When the overall performance increase over the last 5 years is less than 5% or sometimes it is even negative 1% decrease in performance can be huge."
Well then thank goodness this is not the case in reality. Unless you're a 'gamerkid' and only look at average FPS charts in a GPU-unconstrained situation, performance has continued to increase (as can be seen by looking at the Anandtech Bench link at the top of the page).
But at equivalent prices Ryzen IS faster, and if these early benches of Ryzen mobile products are any indication near-future Ryzen releases are going to blow Intel out of the water.
Keep in mind one needs to compare only CPU and not just core count - typically Intel CPU's per core are faster than AMD and right now AMD Core count is not like desktop - with only 4 cores per CPU - but Intel is expected to have more cores in CPU this year.
Its way more than 1% for some work loads. For a product that I work on, the performance impact is large enough that current deployments are going to have issues. This is based on my own personal performance tests using our software and an exact production load.
I'd be very interested in knowing what the performance hit for this real world workload is. Synthetic workloads showing something like 50% loss in performance seem like a scenario that won't be encountered in real workloads, but there is a lot of space between the 1% and 50% extremes.
Intel is at a 30-day low, having lost approximately 10% of its stock value in an 8-day period, so some might say it is a good time to buy. However, word has it that there is not going to be a bounce back until (1) Intel drops the PR skirting around the issue and comes clean about the actual Meltdown performance losses (of note, Microsoft has lately been rather vocal in stating that it does not share in Intel's optimism) and (2) Intel gives answers about yet another delay of their 10nm process.
"08:52PM EST - News on the wire is that Intel has created a new Internal Security Group internally, pulling in certain high-profile executives from other departments." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
OOOOH, I hope they find a way to get rid of that Secure Boot malware that prevents everyone from protecting their own computers from the very people causing all these problems!
For all that your other comments may have value, 'immediately' typically means within a one-hour window for publication. There is almost no possibility of meeting such a deadline, which is why you see it everywhere in the news. It is meaningless that Intel 'did not comment' in this context.
"09:48PM EST - Today the cloud is filled with billions of bytes of data" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- WOW, that's like almost as much as a thumbdrive
what am I all reading , lot of marketing talk ,silly numbers , those silly topics of how much data people will create,..... then the usual marketing checkboxes VR,esports , ......
Is it so wrong not to have a show if you have nothing to tell?
Frankly, the company would be better off WITHOUT him. He is a boring CEO, to be quite frank. And I am not referring to being lively or having a stage presence (e.g. Steve Ballmer, whom, though great meme material, I also dislike). Investors and employees don't care about that. He just does not strike me as the analytical type or passionate about his product. Lisa Su is far more fascinating and enlightening CEO who clearly is immersed in both book balancing and the deeply technical. I just fall asleep whenever he enters the stage.
10:49PM EST - Studies estimate that 1.25 million lives could be saved 10:50PM EST - It's about the technology and the safety 10:50PM EST - A platform to make autonomous cars a reality ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So, when the bridge fails, the cars continue on their GPS journey like lemmings off a cliff?
So, when the car stops at a red light and you are surrounded by armed terrorist, the car will refuse to move until the light turns green?
If a bridge fails, your car is going to see the failure and stop, that's already a non-issue. The terrorist situation is so rare that you will still save live even if that happens a thousand times as often as it does today.
What I found most interesting is the following lines and this could explain the delay in 10nm
"10:45PM EST - Building full quantum computing systems 10:45PM EST - Showing the next step: a 49 qubit quantum chip 10:45PM EST - Pushes beyond the ability to simulate"
It sounds like they are making new technology that will be impossible for companies to simulate/emulate the architecture on say the Qualcomm Snapdragon 835
Why I never heard in 20 years on Anandtech a single question to Intel about production cost of their chips versus competition? Why latest tech 10nm 4B transistor Apple chip price is 25-50 times less then any 4B transistors chip from Intel ? Only salespeople are here interested just in infinite pumping the price and costs up, up, up?
Why I never heard in 20 years on Anandtech a single question to Intel about production cost of their chips versus competition? Why latest tech 10nm 4B transistor Apple chip price is 25-50 times less then any 4B transistors chip from Intel ? Only salespeople are here interested just in infinite pumping the price and costs up, up, up?
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Bullwinkle-J-Moose - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
Hey Brian,Is it time to buy or sell Intel Stock?
III-V - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
This Meltdown and Specter thing is so incredibly overblown. Can't wait for this nonsense to blow over so I can get some real news in my feed.Bullwinkle-J-Moose - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
"This Meltdown and Specter thing is so incredibly overblown. Can't wait for this nonsense to blow over so I can get some real news in my feed."------------------------------------------------------------
Good response Brian!
Bullwinkle-J-Moose - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
A better response when taking the stage might be....."Look, I'm not here to preach....
We Fucked up!
So, I'll just be taking your questions now"
III-V - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link
You sound a little butthurt :)69369369 - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link
You sound like a shill :)Hifihedgehog - Thursday, January 11, 2018 - link
Note to self: "III-V" is Brian Krzanich's puppet astroturfing account.dwade123 - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
Those 1% performance loss! Switch over to Ryzen today and lose even more performance.Zingam - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link
Grow up, Gamerkids! When the overall performance increase over the last 5 years is less than 5% or sometimes it is even negative 1% decrease in performance can be huge. Maybe not on your lame $3000 desktop but on a data center that costs billions. Nobody really knows the true cost of this "feature". Researchers point out any numbers between 5% and 50% performance loss. Who knows what that might mean a couple of dropped frames or maybe stuttering. But that is not the important thing - security is what is most troubling and that this site is full of lame gamers!edzieba - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link
"When the overall performance increase over the last 5 years is less than 5% or sometimes it is even negative 1% decrease in performance can be huge."Well then thank goodness this is not the case in reality. Unless you're a 'gamerkid' and only look at average FPS charts in a GPU-unconstrained situation, performance has continued to increase (as can be seen by looking at the Anandtech Bench link at the top of the page).
negusp - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link
But at equivalent prices Ryzen IS faster, and if these early benches of Ryzen mobile products are any indication near-future Ryzen releases are going to blow Intel out of the water.HStewart - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link
Keep in mind one needs to compare only CPU and not just core count - typically Intel CPU's per core are faster than AMD and right now AMD Core count is not like desktop - with only 4 cores per CPU - but Intel is expected to have more cores in CPU this year.negusp - Wednesday, January 10, 2018 - link
According to a quick glance here:https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Envy-x360-15-Ryze...
This specific Ryzen 5 is only ~10% slower than the i5/i7-8xxxU CPUs and the GPU is ~15% behind the MX150.
So I revise my statement- AMD has already blown Intel mobile out of the water.
Stuka87 - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link
Its way more than 1% for some work loads. For a product that I work on, the performance impact is large enough that current deployments are going to have issues. This is based on my own personal performance tests using our software and an exact production load.BurntMyBacon - Wednesday, January 10, 2018 - link
I'd be very interested in knowing what the performance hit for this real world workload is. Synthetic workloads showing something like 50% loss in performance seem like a scenario that won't be encountered in real workloads, but there is a lot of space between the 1% and 50% extremes.IGTrading - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link
Brian speech is like : "The crook is talking on stage." :)Hifihedgehog - Wednesday, January 10, 2018 - link
Intel is at a 30-day low, having lost approximately 10% of its stock value in an 8-day period, so some might say it is a good time to buy. However, word has it that there is not going to be a bounce back until (1) Intel drops the PR skirting around the issue and comes clean about the actual Meltdown performance losses (of note, Microsoft has lately been rather vocal in stating that it does not share in Intel's optimism) and (2) Intel gives answers about yet another delay of their 10nm process.nico_mach - Thursday, January 11, 2018 - link
Intel (agencies) Inside (c)Bullwinkle-J-Moose - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
"08:52PM EST - News on the wire is that Intel has created a new Internal Security Group internally, pulling in certain high-profile executives from other departments."-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
OOOOH, I hope they find a way to get rid of that Secure Boot malware that prevents everyone from protecting their own computers from the very people causing all these problems!
Bullwinkle-J-Moose - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
09:01PM EST - http://www.oregonlive.com/silicon-forest/index.ssf..."Simply put, I want to ensure we continue to respond appropriately, diligently, and with a customer-first attitude."
"Intel did not immediately respond to a request for comment."
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No comment......
appropriate, diligent, and with a customer-first attitude.
surt - Sunday, January 14, 2018 - link
For all that your other comments may have value, 'immediately' typically means within a one-hour window for publication. There is almost no possibility of meeting such a deadline, which is why you see it everywhere in the news. It is meaningless that Intel 'did not comment' in this context.Bullwinkle-J-Moose - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
"09:48PM EST - Today the cloud is filled with billions of bytes of data"--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
WOW, that's like almost as much as a thumbdrive
Who'da thunk it?
CajunArson - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
So if Krzanich has to define voxels for the audience then I'm massively unimpressed with the knowledge level of the CES audience.Fun factoid: Voxels were being used in the 1990's for deformable terrain in games. Oh, and they were old back then too.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/209/5
plopke - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
what am I all reading , lot of marketing talk ,silly numbers , those silly topics of how much data people will create,..... then the usual marketing checkboxes VR,esports , ......Is it so wrong not to have a show if you have nothing to tell?
Bullwinkle-J-Moose - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
Don't have a MeltdownIt's all about diversion and redirection....
That's the plan!
Bullwinkle-J-Moose - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
Oh, it's right here on the schedule >Misdirection and Obfuscation with Brian Krzanich
Hifihedgehog - Wednesday, January 10, 2018 - link
"with Brian Krzanich"Frankly, the company would be better off WITHOUT him. He is a boring CEO, to be quite frank. And I am not referring to being lively or having a stage presence (e.g. Steve Ballmer, whom, though great meme material, I also dislike). Investors and employees don't care about that. He just does not strike me as the analytical type or passionate about his product. Lisa Su is far more fascinating and enlightening CEO who clearly is immersed in both book balancing and the deeply technical. I just fall asleep whenever he enters the stage.
Bullwinkle-J-Moose - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
10:49PM EST - Studies estimate that 1.25 million lives could be saved10:50PM EST - It's about the technology and the safety
10:50PM EST - A platform to make autonomous cars a reality
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So, when the bridge fails, the cars continue on their GPS journey like lemmings off a cliff?
So, when the car stops at a red light and you are surrounded by armed terrorist, the car will refuse to move until the light turns green?
So, when.....
Are you even listening?
Is this thing on?
Hello, Hello?
Bullwinkle-J-Moose - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
I see a comedy movie in your future!Or is it just the nightly news?
Bullwinkle-J-Moose - Monday, January 8, 2018 - link
11:05PM EST - 'Who wouldn't like to fly across a city'----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ooooh, Pick Me, Pick ME!
surt - Sunday, January 14, 2018 - link
If a bridge fails, your car is going to see the failure and stop, that's already a non-issue.The terrorist situation is so rare that you will still save live even if that happens a thousand times as often as it does today.
SaturnusDK - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link
11:16PM EST - That's a wrap. Nothing mentioned about 10nm...?------
That pretty much sums it up.
TEAMSWITCHER - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link
10nm is hard.SaturnusDK - Wednesday, January 10, 2018 - link
Probably why AMD and others make go for 7nm in commercial products in the H2 this year while Intel will be stuck on 14nm until next year at least.tsk2k - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link
"CTRL+F search 10nm" oh intel.hahmed330 - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link
lolJanW1 - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link
"Experiences that no-one has yet to imagine"Now I'm scared.
Bullwinkle-J-Moose - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link
Don't be scared, the new Computer Logos sum it up nicely.....Genuine INTEL
What could possibly go wrong?
willis936 - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link
Idk why I read this when I could have just watched an episode of Silicon Valley.HStewart - Tuesday, January 9, 2018 - link
What I found most interesting is the following lines and this could explain the delay in 10nm"10:45PM EST - Building full quantum computing systems
10:45PM EST - Showing the next step: a 49 qubit quantum chip
10:45PM EST - Pushes beyond the ability to simulate"
It sounds like they are making new technology that will be impossible for companies to simulate/emulate the architecture on say the Qualcomm Snapdragon 835
SanX - Wednesday, January 10, 2018 - link
Why I never heard in 20 years on Anandtech a single question to Intel about production cost of their chips versus competition? Why latest tech 10nm 4B transistor Apple chip price is 25-50 times less then any 4B transistors chip from Intel ? Only salespeople are here interested just in infinite pumping the price and costs up, up, up?SanX - Wednesday, January 10, 2018 - link
Why I never heard in 20 years on Anandtech a single question to Intel about production cost of their chips versus competition? Why latest tech 10nm 4B transistor Apple chip price is 25-50 times less then any 4B transistors chip from Intel ? Only salespeople are here interested just in infinite pumping the price and costs up, up, up?countingnumbers - Tuesday, January 16, 2018 - link
really good..https://youtu.be/_KJqhkcuu-k