The networking capabilities (dual Intel GbE and Wi-Fi) of the i3, coupled with its near 2X performance more than justifies its $102 premium, IMO. Shame about its media capabilities, but I guess we can't have it all...
For anything that needs Wifi the Habey's an obvious winner. OTOH for industrial use in many cases the systems will be wired and running software written for a much older system such that both systems will perform identically (major industrial hardware typically has multi-decade lifespans, and is typically designed for a low end PC was when it was new, so anything several years to several decades newer will fly) the cheaper shuttle'd be just as good.
I think there is a missing set of computers missing hear - something like Intel Compute Stick with Intel Y processors - I am typing on one right now and it has the same performance or actually more than my original Surface Pro 1 CPU - it is definitely faster than Celeron's and I believe it should be faster than the i3. It integrated graphics is 615 instead 620 as in i3-7100U. But it also only 5Watts.
One big difference with Compute Stick - it can actually fit in your pocket - excluding power supply
It m3-6y30 beats both of these boxes in Sysmark, but looks like to me lack in FutureMark because of graphics - but for industrial PC - where graphics is not always needed - it seems to better option
Are there any PC's in this form factor (i.e. small and fanless) that run AMD chips? I would be particularly interested in one running one of the new mobile Ryzen with on board Vega graphics (2700U or 2500U).
Was not expecting Legacy Support for Windows XP / no surprise there But the Sopport page for the Habey BIS-6862 does not show driver support for Windows 7 or 8 either
Are you stuck with Windows 10 on these things?
and....
When will these embedded systems switch to 5 Volt input?
I'm not sure they will, really. Most of them will tend to be 19V input because they leverage laptop parts, or often 24V (sometimes 12V) as that is incredibly common in industrial setups and control systems.
5V works well for things like compute sticks, but you generally don't see much of it in PLC cabinets and the like.
Given the market these things go into I am not surprised they are avoiding support for OS's that will be out of support from MS soon. Usually these things run in an environment for 5-10 years so there is little need to support anything that will lose support prior to that end date.
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nathanddrews - Friday, January 5, 2018 - link
The networking capabilities (dual Intel GbE and Wi-Fi) of the i3, coupled with its near 2X performance more than justifies its $102 premium, IMO. Shame about its media capabilities, but I guess we can't have it all...shabby - Friday, January 5, 2018 - link
Yes the usb 1.0 wifi speeds are pretty amazing...DanNeely - Friday, January 5, 2018 - link
For anything that needs Wifi the Habey's an obvious winner. OTOH for industrial use in many cases the systems will be wired and running software written for a much older system such that both systems will perform identically (major industrial hardware typically has multi-decade lifespans, and is typically designed for a low end PC was when it was new, so anything several years to several decades newer will fly) the cheaper shuttle'd be just as good.MrTeal - Friday, January 5, 2018 - link
The dual DB9 with one being configurable as RS-232/422-485 is a pretty huge plus in a lot of industrial applications as well.It's a pretty cheap upgrade to a lot of older Atom based industrial PCs with a huge bump in performance.
HStewart - Friday, January 5, 2018 - link
I think there is a missing set of computers missing hear - something like Intel Compute Stick with Intel Y processors - I am typing on one right now and it has the same performance or actually more than my original Surface Pro 1 CPU - it is definitely faster than Celeron's and I believe it should be faster than the i3. It integrated graphics is 615 instead 620 as in i3-7100U. But it also only 5Watts.One big difference with Compute Stick - it can actually fit in your pocket - excluding power supply
HStewart - Friday, January 5, 2018 - link
It m3-6y30 beats both of these boxes in Sysmark, but looks like to me lack in FutureMark because of graphics - but for industrial PC - where graphics is not always needed - it seems to better optionhttps://www.anandtech.com/show/10447/the-intel-com...
redviper9 - Friday, January 5, 2018 - link
Are there any PC's in this form factor (i.e. small and fanless) that run AMD chips? I would be particularly interested in one running one of the new mobile Ryzen with on board Vega graphics (2700U or 2500U).StevoLincolnite - Saturday, January 6, 2018 - link
I would love one as well. Just a shame that such a rig would be bandwidth constrained with low-clocked DDR4.Maxtang - Thursday, December 19, 2019 - link
You can check at Shenzhen Maxtang Technology for the exact configuration you looking for.https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000391642092.html...
Bullwinkle-J-Moose - Friday, January 5, 2018 - link
2 pointsWas not expecting Legacy Support for Windows XP / no surprise there
But the Sopport page for the Habey BIS-6862 does not show driver support for Windows 7 or 8 either
Are you stuck with Windows 10 on these things?
and....
When will these embedded systems switch to 5 Volt input?
Ice Lake?
Methane Lake?
Cryo Lake?
MrTeal - Friday, January 5, 2018 - link
I'm not sure they will, really. Most of them will tend to be 19V input because they leverage laptop parts, or often 24V (sometimes 12V) as that is incredibly common in industrial setups and control systems.5V works well for things like compute sticks, but you generally don't see much of it in PLC cabinets and the like.
Reflex - Friday, January 5, 2018 - link
Given the market these things go into I am not surprised they are avoiding support for OS's that will be out of support from MS soon. Usually these things run in an environment for 5-10 years so there is little need to support anything that will lose support prior to that end date.mjeffer - Sunday, January 7, 2018 - link
Kaby Lake is only supported on Windows 10 IIRC.