"we changed our approach to media codecs to enable us to get more codecs to consumers faster"
“Customers who upgrade to the FCU on compatible hardware will get HEVC. For new devices that do not include HEVC, it will be available soon through the Microsoft Store. It may take a day or two after the upgrade to FCU for the codec to get installed.”
I'm not sure how removing something we already have, and then making us wait a day or two for it to magically show up after the upgrade is us getting something we already have faster.
That MS exec is actually from bizzaro world. So when he says bizzaro "faster" he actually means slower
Incidentally. This had several other issues: 1. Customers now need to manually install the codec pack from MS. 2. All software that used it needs to be modified to work with the new codec pack as it is now packaged differently. 3. The 32bit codec is flat out broken. only the 64bit codec actually works as of july 21st 2018
Given all of the licensing difficulties of HEVC, yes, there's a good possibility. The membership roster of the AV1 org is a who's who of tech companies.
Apparently, MPEG is so bad that MANY big tech companies decided it's cheaper to engineer around patents than pay for them. Some of them did so independently, noticed other efforts, then came together, hence AV1 was born as a giant "screw you MPEG!".
Point is, unlike other efforts you may have seen fizzle out, there's alot of money behind AV1.
Very possible that AV1 will succeed in replacing HEVC. The patent situation has made HEVC radioactive, and the industry is already looking at successors. By the time HEVC is sorted out (if it ever is), it may already be obsolete.
Indeed. VP9 wasn't quite good enough to supplant HEVC. AV1 on the other hand (derived from VP10 plus some bits from Daala and Thor) looks to be shaping up as good or better than HEVC. Plus of course royalty free.
Unfortunately it's not ready for prime time, I don't even think they have the bitstream locked down. But once they do get things finalized it should move faster than previous efforts, given the wide support.
Call me paranoid, but this move *might* be setting the stage for a later move to start charging for the codec. Micro-transactions in an OS, whatever next?
Yep, and they've been around since... you could install apps on your OS, I suppose. So, the '80s?' 70s? Didn't use to be anything "micro" about the prices though. Freeware, open software and the mobile markets have changed that, for sure.
"users of the Movies and TV app built into Windows 10 FCU or software relying on the OS decoders such as Plex will find HEVC videos playing back with a blank screen."
That's a pretty bad and unspecific error message. The app should take the affected user to the codec pack in the store directly.
Did you click on the MS Store link in the article? It is not readily available via the Store Search, which is why we made it a point to link it explicitly in the article itself.
I noticed that getting installed the other day! I think some other codecs too being downloaded I'd not seen handled in that way before.
Seems like it would make sense.
Fall Creator's Update broke my ability to playback MPEG2/TiVo/broadcast TV files through Movies & TV though. It still works through Windows Media Player, but that's lame/disturbing...
Doe anyone know how to bring up the debugging / logging screens like in the last screenshot of the post? I found a few old reddit threads concerning hidden Netflix menus, but nothing seems to display Bitrate or Resolution in such an obvious way.
I think it's cheaper for them if they're paying a license for each device that plays HEVC, so not including it with the OS means they don't pay for every OS even if the user won't use it.. not to mention that they can update the codecs whenever they want without the need to update the whole OS.
yaa after the windows fall update many decoders started malfunctioning and the Kodi tv was also a victim of that windows update, but the developers have worked with that and Kodi is now much better and robust this time, starting from the Kodi Krypton update don't worry update Kodi and it will work fine with Windows 10 fall creators update. https://crumbles.co/update-kodi/ visit the following link for instructions
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Gigaplex - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
"we changed our approach to media codecs to enable us to get more codecs to consumers faster"“Customers who upgrade to the FCU on compatible hardware will get HEVC. For new devices that do not include HEVC, it will be available soon through the Microsoft Store. It may take a day or two after the upgrade to FCU for the codec to get installed.”
I'm not sure how removing something we already have, and then making us wait a day or two for it to magically show up after the upgrade is us getting something we already have faster.
beginner99 - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
This is known as management logic.0ldman79 - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
Those two words together in a sentence is dangerously close to some kind of "end of times" witchcraft.designgears - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
for the first one sure, but in the future they will just be added to the store without having to wait for it to be rolled into an update.taltamir - Saturday, July 21, 2018 - link
That MS exec is actually from bizzaro world. So when he says bizzaro "faster" he actually means slowerIncidentally. This had several other issues:
1. Customers now need to manually install the codec pack from MS.
2. All software that used it needs to be modified to work with the new codec pack as it is now packaged differently.
3. The 32bit codec is flat out broken. only the 64bit codec actually works as of july 21st 2018
quielo - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
Effecieny?boozed - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
"Effeciency" hahahaboozed - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
Oh god, I even stuffed up transcribing the stuff up."Effecieny"
Ryan Smith - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
This is the problem when we put too much trust into stock logos...Fixed!
boozed - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
It was fun while it lasted!speculatrix - Saturday, December 9, 2017 - link
Fixed, but the broken version lives on in my rss feed :-)Hurr Durr - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
So that's what it was downloading regularly for a week.leo_sk - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
Is there any chance if an open source standard (looking at av1) can become mainstream?Ryan Smith - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
Given all of the licensing difficulties of HEVC, yes, there's a good possibility. The membership roster of the AV1 org is a who's who of tech companies.brucethemoose - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
I'd say it's almost certain.Apparently, MPEG is so bad that MANY big tech companies decided it's cheaper to engineer around patents than pay for them. Some of them did so independently, noticed other efforts, then came together, hence AV1 was born as a giant "screw you MPEG!".
Point is, unlike other efforts you may have seen fizzle out, there's alot of money behind AV1.
saratoga4 - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
Very possible that AV1 will succeed in replacing HEVC. The patent situation has made HEVC radioactive, and the industry is already looking at successors. By the time HEVC is sorted out (if it ever is), it may already be obsolete.Alexvrb - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
Indeed. VP9 wasn't quite good enough to supplant HEVC. AV1 on the other hand (derived from VP10 plus some bits from Daala and Thor) looks to be shaping up as good or better than HEVC. Plus of course royalty free.Unfortunately it's not ready for prime time, I don't even think they have the bitstream locked down. But once they do get things finalized it should move faster than previous efforts, given the wide support.
colonelclaw - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
Call me paranoid, but this move *might* be setting the stage for a later move to start charging for the codec. Micro-transactions in an OS, whatever next?Ian Cutress - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
They're called apps ;)Valantar - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
Yep, and they've been around since... you could install apps on your OS, I suppose. So, the '80s?' 70s? Didn't use to be anything "micro" about the prices though. Freeware, open software and the mobile markets have changed that, for sure.CaedenV - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
This is really interesting. I wonder if this has to do with win10S and the move away from traditional installers and moving everything to the store.MrSpadge - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
"users of the Movies and TV app built into Windows 10 FCU or software relying on the OS decoders such as Plex will find HEVC videos playing back with a blank screen."That's a pretty bad and unspecific error message. The app should take the affected user to the codec pack in the store directly.
29a - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
Or you could just install the K-Lite Codec pack and not have to wait on Microsoft to fuck around.Hurr Durr - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
>KLI`d take my chances with MS any day before touching that turd. Or just go for MPC-HC.
kerbe - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
Can't locate the HEVC extension in the Store...ganeshts - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
Did you click on the MS Store link in the article? It is not readily available via the Store Search, which is why we made it a point to link it explicitly in the article itself.Wolfpup - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
I noticed that getting installed the other day! I think some other codecs too being downloaded I'd not seen handled in that way before.Seems like it would make sense.
Fall Creator's Update broke my ability to playback MPEG2/TiVo/broadcast TV files through Movies & TV though. It still works through Windows Media Player, but that's lame/disturbing...
amaqjuaq - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
Doe anyone know how to bring up the debugging / logging screens like in the last screenshot of the post? I found a few old reddit threads concerning hidden Netflix menus, but nothing seems to display Bitrate or Resolution in such an obvious way.ganeshts - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
Ctrl + Shift + Alt + D for debug informationCtrl + Shift + Alt + S for forcing / overriding bitrate
leexgx - Friday, December 1, 2017 - link
cool cheat codesXajel - Sunday, December 3, 2017 - link
I think it's cheaper for them if they're paying a license for each device that plays HEVC, so not including it with the OS means they don't pay for every OS even if the user won't use it.. not to mention that they can update the codecs whenever they want without the need to update the whole OS.snapch23 - Friday, December 29, 2017 - link
We have seen the recorder for windows 10 here. http://screenrecorderwindows10.comkoditv - Monday, March 5, 2018 - link
yaa after the windows fall update many decoders started malfunctioning and the Kodi tv was also a victim of that windows update, but the developers have worked with that and Kodi is now much better and robust this time, starting from the Kodi Krypton update don't worry update Kodi and it will work fine with Windows 10 fall creators update.https://crumbles.co/update-kodi/ visit the following link for instructions