I seriously doubt many people would want an ethernet jack in their phone. If this thing indeed has full PC capability, some kind of ports dongle would be justified in my eyes, especially considering not bad specs they present insted of the usual 2 gig RAM gimp.
Makes you really interested in what MS and Qualcomm will do in the future with 835.
Agreed get rid of the Ethernet Jack and put a bigger battery 3-4 hours time is not enough. It would have to be double that for me to even look at this.
I'd actually buy one if it had a parallel printer port LOL.
All kidding aside, I'd actually get such a portable device capable of running full windows, but certainly not one with such vomit inducing design and piss-poor battery life.
Screw the triangle size, make it rectangular, soften them edges, put twice the battery in it and a kickstand.
Wow, thanks for the link! Some of the wording is lol-worthy, but it looks like it would have been my dream machine for the entirety of the last decade. At this exact point in time, though? Mmmmaybe.
"...we have gone through nearly a year of creation and design. Only we ourselves can understand the painstaking."
I bought the GPD Pocket on Ebay before I saw the Sirius on Indiegogo. I'm totally blind and I bought it for traveling purposes, it's a lot smaller than a regular one. What I liked about the Sirius though was that it had everything, including the mic and camera, nice for skype video calls. Sure I can get a headset mic for the Pocket, but no camera makes video calls a no go, unless they make a camera and mic together. Any thoughts and opinions on this would be great. I'm thinking of looking into the Sirius for the simple fact it has everything and is of a similar build to the Pocket, with added features.
They are saying its a desktop you can carry in your pocket. In that case the Ethernet jack makes sense. On their Indiegogo page they are also showing that connecting an external screen(with HDMI and Displayport jacks) will turn it into a desktop.
If it's meant to be a portable alternative to desktop, then the infocus kangaroo makes more sense, as you'd buy multiple docks, and have the Pro dock at work and the basic dock at home.
Other than the array of full-sized ports, I'm not seeing how this is different from a generic Windows 10 tablet. It's a portable touchscreen device. Add a dock to any Dell Windows tablet and you get the same result.
If it looks like a tablet, works like a tablet, is the size of a tablet ... then call it a tablet.
There's lots of x86-based Windows 8-10 tablets out there. Why wouldn't you call those "pocket PCs" like this one?
This has be the worst design I have seen in the mobile space over the last 5 years. Ethernet jack in phone? What were they thinking.
Perhaps there is some appeal If you use a standard business suite and wanted one device that you could use as your mobile then dock at your desk for productivity purposes, but USB type C is perfect for that - put a couple of those on there, get rid of the rest of the ports and do what yo can to even out the dimensions. Wouldn't be perfect but would be a hell of a lot better then what they got now.
Not sure where everyone is getting the idea this is a smartphone AND a pc. The only mention of phone was in the title and that was referring to its size and not its feature set. As a tiny PC this thing looks interesting.
If is not a phone (or at least mobile) what's the point of the touchscreen and the battery? It's designed to be used on the go, and the design looks terrible for that. If it's just a tiny PC there are lots of other options that make more sense.
It's much too small to be used as a Windows tablet except in emergencies. Or if you're a total masochist. I guess the typical user will have it docked to a monitor most of the time.
In tablet mode it would probably be OK on the go. Definitely not ideal though, especially since we don't have Composable shell yet. Future releases of Windows and a better device could make this form factor interesting. For starters, once Windows-on-ARM hits, they can use a modern Snapdragon instead of this outdated 2.5 year old Cherry Trail-T SoC. Then they can ditch the full size ports and go with mini everything, people will use a hub/dock/adapters if they need full size ports.
I love the ethernet jack, potentially awesome product. Could be very useful for climbing roofs and installing fixed wireless gear for WISP. Big question; what is outdoor / sunlight visibility on the screen like? If it has a 500nit mode (like samsung notebook 9) or a special thin anti reflective layer (like dell ruggedized series) I will preorder now. Dreaming here but, if the ethernet port could do passive (or active) POE at something 18volt (+/-4 volt) it would be ideal for installing ubiquiti AirMax client gear, but that is surely asking too much.
Would be interesting to test this out for new builds at my company. Use it to configure Cisco and Commodity network gear plus it could have some uses out on the production floor using some of our custom apps.
A device with a 2-year old, slow Intel SoC. Coupled with an OS such that they can't deliver more than a few hours of battery life. Probably awkward to hold in portrait mode because of the wedge shape. A very narrow (or very short) 16:9 screen. No mobile broadband. The price range of an iPad Pro. This could be interesting.
Umm, the word "smartphone" in the title made me thought it can make calls or connect to LTE. Intel and Microsoft still doesn't want a full PC in a smartphone. Windows Store is still terrible considering apps like facebook or Instagram are given minimum effort to develop.
Had my eye on this for a while. One use case I was thinking about was as a stand-in device if we do end up with a full blown laptop ban on flights. If we are restricted to bringing on phablet sized devices this thing would be a realistic workaround paired with a Bluetooth keyboard/mouse.
I occasionally fly long haul for work and /really/ need to prep for meetings during the flight. Something of an edge case admittedly but the sort of one which could justify the price tag.
The missing piece is the keyboard. There's probably enough volume in a squared off design to add a slide-out keyboard, with extra battery to boot. You really can't call this thing a "pocket PC" without a keyboard. It's just another generic Windows 10 tablet.
We would purchase this for the whole office and I'd personally get 2 more for our home, but only if powered by AMD's Mullins or a 14nm version of that.
There is no point in using Intel's low performance Atom CPUs with even lower performing GPUs.
It is like spending serious money on failed, outdated, low end technology.
It is time to move on from Intel Atom, as Intel obviously don't give two hoots about it.
Unfortunately there aren't any real alternatives for x86 devices to use. Unless AMD get their act together and release a very low power APU, it's all we're going to have.
Intel killed its 2-4 W Apollo Lake parts so the old, outdated Cherry Trail is all there is for x86 on tablets. I doubt AMD could have 2W Zen parts any time soon.
Looks like the GPD Pocket is the nearest competitor, with the main difference being the GPD Pocket is more like a super-shrunken laptop, while the Ockel Sirius looks more like a NUC that happens to have a touchscreen and battery.
It's an interesting device, but part of the reason why it's similar in size when compared to a smartphone is because phones have turned huge in recent times with inflation of screen size. Anyway, I can see useful applications for a device like this, but many of those capabilities can already be found on a phone I'm already carrying around with me so the advantages aren't huge. I'd be forced to compare it directly to my existing mobile device to determine if there's any value having Windows in such a small system or if the things Windows can do for me aren't worth the extra thing I'd have to take with me.
I've got a cheap $200 Teclast tablet that runs Windows 10 on a similar Cherry Trail Atom chip. I get 8-9 hours on a 10" iPad-spec screen so it's good enough for a day at work. I don't think I could get anything done on a 6" screen with Windows, I had an older 8" tablet that was almost impossible to use even with display scaling turned up.
$500-600 is way too much when cheaper and more capable alternatives are available. This thing sounds more like a NUC with a screen tacked on rather than a complete Windows tablet.
"I’m unsure at this point if we should get Ganesh to review it as a mini-PC, Brett to review it as a laptop, or someone else to review it as a smartphone."
LOL You can get a gaming laptop with a GTX 1080 inside with thinner dimensions (18mm)! There are many far more capable ultra portable laptops that are even thinner.
"Ockel is using Intel’s Cherry Trail Atom platform here, in the Atom x7-Z8750. This is a quad-core 1.60-2.60 GHz processor, with a rated TDP of 2W"
Actually, 2W is the SDP. Intel's claimed TDP is slightly higher at 2.17W. Regardless as has been pointed out, new sub-3W Atoms are currently out of the question since Intel cancelled Willow Trail. So they're stuck on old tech until W10A is ready, and going ARM will of course require a complete redesign. Maybe version 2 will be worth a look.
I see myself with this in hand, walking down to the server room, plugging into some offending switch, and asking it 'whats up', without having to have a laptop to hand.
In case my reply gets missed, I'll toss it at the bottom of the list as well. I bought the GPD Pocket on Ebay before I saw the Sirius on Indiegogo. I'm totally blind and I bought it for traveling purposes, it's a lot smaller than a regular one. What I liked about the Sirius though was that it had everything, including the mic and camera, nice for skype video calls. Sure I can get a headset mic for the Pocket, but no camera makes video calls a no go, unless they make a camera and mic together. Any thoughts and opinions on this would be great. I'm thinking of looking into the Sirius for the simple fact it has everything and is of a similar build to the Pocket, with added features. I do like the GPD pocket's similar design as pretty much a shrunken laptop, but lack of camera and mic are discouraging.
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Hurr Durr - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
I seriously doubt many people would want an ethernet jack in their phone. If this thing indeed has full PC capability, some kind of ports dongle would be justified in my eyes, especially considering not bad specs they present insted of the usual 2 gig RAM gimp.Makes you really interested in what MS and Qualcomm will do in the future with 835.
Makaveli - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Agreed get rid of the Ethernet Jack and put a bigger battery 3-4 hours time is not enough. It would have to be double that for me to even look at this.BedfordTim - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
You might want to look at the GPD 7" Laptop with the same processor a similar screen and a 7000mAh battery. It is also cheaper at $500.Hurr Durr - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
But it`s not a phone.BedfordTim - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Sadly I am still waiting for a device with everything.ddriver - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
I'd actually buy one if it had a parallel printer port LOL.All kidding aside, I'd actually get such a portable device capable of running full windows, but certainly not one with such vomit inducing design and piss-poor battery life.
Screw the triangle size, make it rectangular, soften them edges, put twice the battery in it and a kickstand.
Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Which is unfortunate, because if it were, I would seriously consider buying one...Notmyusualid - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
+1Alexvrb - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
This is NOT a phone, either. It just looks like one.mkozakewich - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Wow, thanks for the link! Some of the wording is lol-worthy, but it looks like it would have been my dream machine for the entirety of the last decade. At this exact point in time, though? Mmmmaybe."...we have gone through nearly a year of creation and design. Only we ourselves can understand the painstaking."
jclynch90 - Monday, December 25, 2017 - link
I bought the GPD Pocket on Ebay before I saw the Sirius on Indiegogo. I'm totally blind and I bought it for traveling purposes, it's a lot smaller than a regular one. What I liked about the Sirius though was that it had everything, including the mic and camera, nice for skype video calls. Sure I can get a headset mic for the Pocket, but no camera makes video calls a no go, unless they make a camera and mic together. Any thoughts and opinions on this would be great. I'm thinking of looking into the Sirius for the simple fact it has everything and is of a similar build to the Pocket, with added features.IntelUser2000 - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
They are NOT pitching it as a Smartphone.They are saying its a desktop you can carry in your pocket. In that case the Ethernet jack makes sense. On their Indiegogo page they are also showing that connecting an external screen(with HDMI and Displayport jacks) will turn it into a desktop.
Hurr Durr - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
If it`s a desktop first, NUC makes more sense. I want my goddamn phone.Samus - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Reminds me of the futurefone campaign people lost hundreds of thousands on...speculatrix - Sunday, September 10, 2017 - link
If it's meant to be a portable alternative to desktop, then the infocus kangaroo makes more sense, as you'd buy multiple docks, and have the Pro dock at work and the basic dock at home.Wardrop - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Don't you mean you "sirius-ly doubt"?smunter6 - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Why are you refusing to call this a tablet? Isn't this just a surface mini?phoenix_rizzen - Friday, September 8, 2017 - link
Other than the array of full-sized ports, I'm not seeing how this is different from a generic Windows 10 tablet. It's a portable touchscreen device. Add a dock to any Dell Windows tablet and you get the same result.If it looks like a tablet, works like a tablet, is the size of a tablet ... then call it a tablet.
There's lots of x86-based Windows 8-10 tablets out there. Why wouldn't you call those "pocket PCs" like this one?
uhuznaa - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
They will sell thousands.HammerStrike - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
This has be the worst design I have seen in the mobile space over the last 5 years. Ethernet jack in phone? What were they thinking.Perhaps there is some appeal If you use a standard business suite and wanted one device that you could use as your mobile then dock at your desk for productivity purposes, but USB type C is perfect for that - put a couple of those on there, get rid of the rest of the ports and do what yo can to even out the dimensions. Wouldn't be perfect but would be a hell of a lot better then what they got now.
This is the mobile equivalent of The Homer.
asmokowski - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Not sure where everyone is getting the idea this is a smartphone AND a pc. The only mention of phone was in the title and that was referring to its size and not its feature set. As a tiny PC this thing looks interesting.HammerStrike - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
If is not a phone (or at least mobile) what's the point of the touchscreen and the battery? It's designed to be used on the go, and the design looks terrible for that. If it's just a tiny PC there are lots of other options that make more sense.serendip - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
It's much too small to be used as a Windows tablet except in emergencies. Or if you're a total masochist. I guess the typical user will have it docked to a monitor most of the time.Alexvrb - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
In tablet mode it would probably be OK on the go. Definitely not ideal though, especially since we don't have Composable shell yet. Future releases of Windows and a better device could make this form factor interesting. For starters, once Windows-on-ARM hits, they can use a modern Snapdragon instead of this outdated 2.5 year old Cherry Trail-T SoC. Then they can ditch the full size ports and go with mini everything, people will use a hub/dock/adapters if they need full size ports.maglito - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
I love the ethernet jack, potentially awesome product. Could be very useful for climbing roofs and installing fixed wireless gear for WISP. Big question; what is outdoor / sunlight visibility on the screen like? If it has a 500nit mode (like samsung notebook 9) or a special thin anti reflective layer (like dell ruggedized series) I will preorder now. Dreaming here but, if the ethernet port could do passive (or active) POE at something 18volt (+/-4 volt) it would be ideal for installing ubiquiti AirMax client gear, but that is surely asking too much.Holliday75 - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
Would be interesting to test this out for new builds at my company. Use it to configure Cisco and Commodity network gear plus it could have some uses out on the production floor using some of our custom apps.ZeDestructor - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Can we have option D of having Johan De Gelas review it as a pro-grade sysadmin tool?Notmyusualid - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
Looks like an admin tool to me too.ZeDestructor - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
The full-size ethernet port is a dead giveaway for it's target audienceselenite - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
A device with a 2-year old, slow Intel SoC. Coupled with an OS such that they can't deliver more than a few hours of battery life. Probably awkward to hold in portrait mode because of the wedge shape. A very narrow (or very short) 16:9 screen. No mobile broadband.The price range of an iPad Pro.
This could be interesting.
Freakie - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Hey! It's OQO all over again! Except now the technology is more ready for it.mooninite - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Can we get one without Windows pre-loaded? A nice Linux distribution on this would be like the N900 all over again.mkozakewich - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
This thing can come with Ubuntu:https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gpd-pocket-7-0-...
mooninite - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
Uh... no? CTRL+F "Ubuntu" turns up nothing. Everything shows Windows 10. I don't want Windows 10.speculatrix - Sunday, September 10, 2017 - link
But it has no keyboard.Get a GPD pocket if you want that?
zodiacfml - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
Umm, the word "smartphone" in the title made me thought it can make calls or connect to LTE.Intel and Microsoft still doesn't want a full PC in a smartphone. Windows Store is still terrible considering apps like facebook or Instagram are given minimum effort to develop.
Raniz - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
You really should read the entire headline; "Smartphone-sized PC" really doesn't imply any smartphone-like features at all except the size.Tams80 - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
That's a problem with your reading comprehension, not anyone or anything else.Hurr Durr - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
Store has quantity now, but not yet quality.Jon Tseng - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
Had my eye on this for a while. One use case I was thinking about was as a stand-in device if we do end up with a full blown laptop ban on flights. If we are restricted to bringing on phablet sized devices this thing would be a realistic workaround paired with a Bluetooth keyboard/mouse.I occasionally fly long haul for work and /really/ need to prep for meetings during the flight. Something of an edge case admittedly but the sort of one which could justify the price tag.
Notmyusualid - Thursday, September 7, 2017 - link
Any airline that bans laptops - will crash.And I don't mean out of the sky - I mean financially.
Right after September 11th, some airlines banned them, us business users just caught other carriers - it didn't take long for them to readjust.
Mugur - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
GPD Pocket looks way better than this. And cheaper. And with a real keyboard. And with double the battery.phoenix_rizzen - Friday, September 8, 2017 - link
The missing piece is the keyboard. There's probably enough volume in a squared off design to add a slide-out keyboard, with extra battery to boot. You really can't call this thing a "pocket PC" without a keyboard. It's just another generic Windows 10 tablet.IGTrading - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
We would purchase this for the whole office and I'd personally get 2 more for our home, but only if powered by AMD's Mullins or a 14nm version of that.There is no point in using Intel's low performance Atom CPUs with even lower performing GPUs.
It is like spending serious money on failed, outdated, low end technology.
Tams80 - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
It is time to move on from Intel Atom, as Intel obviously don't give two hoots about it.Unfortunately there aren't any real alternatives for x86 devices to use. Unless AMD get their act together and release a very low power APU, it's all we're going to have.
serendip - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
Intel killed its 2-4 W Apollo Lake parts so the old, outdated Cherry Trail is all there is for x86 on tablets. I doubt AMD could have 2W Zen parts any time soon.edzieba - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
Looks like the GPD Pocket is the nearest competitor, with the main difference being the GPD Pocket is more like a super-shrunken laptop, while the Ockel Sirius looks more like a NUC that happens to have a touchscreen and battery.speculatrix - Sunday, September 10, 2017 - link
The GPD doesn't have a memory card slot or webcam, which could stop some from buying itBrokenCrayons - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
It's an interesting device, but part of the reason why it's similar in size when compared to a smartphone is because phones have turned huge in recent times with inflation of screen size. Anyway, I can see useful applications for a device like this, but many of those capabilities can already be found on a phone I'm already carrying around with me so the advantages aren't huge. I'd be forced to compare it directly to my existing mobile device to determine if there's any value having Windows in such a small system or if the things Windows can do for me aren't worth the extra thing I'd have to take with me.serendip - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
I've got a cheap $200 Teclast tablet that runs Windows 10 on a similar Cherry Trail Atom chip. I get 8-9 hours on a 10" iPad-spec screen so it's good enough for a day at work. I don't think I could get anything done on a 6" screen with Windows, I had an older 8" tablet that was almost impossible to use even with display scaling turned up.$500-600 is way too much when cheaper and more capable alternatives are available. This thing sounds more like a NUC with a screen tacked on rather than a complete Windows tablet.
yhselp - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
"I’m unsure at this point if we should get Ganesh to review it as a mini-PC, Brett to review it as a laptop, or someone else to review it as a smartphone."Do all three in limited form.
speculatrix - Sunday, September 10, 2017 - link
You'd have to connect some sort of mobile phone adaptor to use it as a smartphonehyno111 - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
Z8750 only supports emmc 4.51, no matter the actual chip used. From my experience, it is too slow for windows 10.Gunbuster - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
Frustrating Atom/eMMC 2-in-1 performance at triple the price and no keyboard. Solid plan...Gunbuster - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
P.S. I love how posed those first three pictures are in this article. Nearly perfect at covering up the door stopper/cheese wedge design.djayjp - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
LOL You can get a gaming laptop with a GTX 1080 inside with thinner dimensions (18mm)! There are many far more capable ultra portable laptops that are even thinner.Alexvrb - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
Seriously dude? I'm not a fan of this device, but there's really no comparison between a mini-tablet-esque form factor and a LAPTOP.Ej24 - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
16:10 or 3:2 screen would have been better for the format factor and usability. 16:9 in a device this small is very limiting for windows 10.Alexvrb - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
"Ockel is using Intel’s Cherry Trail Atom platform here, in the Atom x7-Z8750. This is a quad-core 1.60-2.60 GHz processor, with a rated TDP of 2W"Actually, 2W is the SDP. Intel's claimed TDP is slightly higher at 2.17W. Regardless as has been pointed out, new sub-3W Atoms are currently out of the question since Intel cancelled Willow Trail. So they're stuck on old tech until W10A is ready, and going ARM will of course require a complete redesign. Maybe version 2 will be worth a look.
sorten - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 - link
All I see is a small expensive tablet with terrible battery life.Notmyusualid - Thursday, September 7, 2017 - link
I see myself with this in hand, walking down to the server room, plugging into some offending switch, and asking it 'whats up', without having to have a laptop to hand.speculatrix - Sunday, September 10, 2017 - link
A GPD pocket with USB Ethernet or USB serial would probably be better for that.LiverpoolFC5903 - Friday, September 8, 2017 - link
Does this have LTE capability? If it does, it becomes a compelling device for me.How difficult would it be to create a dialer app to make calls over the cellular network?
speculatrix - Sunday, September 10, 2017 - link
It's not a phonejclynch90 - Monday, December 25, 2017 - link
In case my reply gets missed, I'll toss it at the bottom of the list as well. I bought the GPD Pocket on Ebay before I saw the Sirius on Indiegogo. I'm totally blind and I bought it for traveling purposes, it's a lot smaller than a regular one. What I liked about the Sirius though was that it had everything, including the mic and camera, nice for skype video calls. Sure I can get a headset mic for the Pocket, but no camera makes video calls a no go, unless they make a camera and mic together. Any thoughts and opinions on this would be great. I'm thinking of looking into the Sirius for the simple fact it has everything and is of a similar build to the Pocket, with added features. I do like the GPD pocket's similar design as pretty much a shrunken laptop, but lack of camera and mic are discouraging.