Wish they would use machine learning to adjust the camera settings. Users are terrible at that. Ofc , you can do lots of other things but adjusting camera settings is of high value and can't recall anyone doing it yet.
My point was if you start redefining "shipping" to mean anything from "is being manufactured in volume" to "has been manufactured as a test sample" to "we have an idea of something we one day plan to manufacture" you land up anywhere you want...
If you want to play the game of "First!" (a singularly pointless game, but one plenty of people seem to enjoy) you at least need to stick to the ground rules of using a date at which ordinary people can buy something. Any other option (date announced, date manufacturing started, etc) is just too prone to manipulation, or based on non-available data.
I am sorry but you are confusing shipping with retail for the end device.You are the one trying to redefine the term. This SoC is shipping if devices are gonna hit retail in Oct.
Taht's BS, and you know it. This is an SoC announcement, so shipping would happen when HiSilicon (TSMC) starts sending Kirin 970 to Huawei in volume. Same for Snapdragon 835 which started shipping in January from Qualcomm (Samsung Semi) to Samsung Electronics. This is definitely different from "sampling".
And you are the one redefining "shipping" here. Devices with certain component might never come to terms, that doesn't mean that *component* never shipped.
That comment is going to age as well as similar comments about electricity, digital computing, and the internet... The fact that some people use a technology in stupid, hype-driven ways is not new; it also doesn't change the fact that one thousand idiots means nothing compared to the one company that knows what it's doing and does something useful with this stuff.
I'd say overall history has shown people are pretty good at sniffing out the hype and ignoring it, while sticking with the stuff of genuine value. Juicero, let's remember, is deservedly bankrupt.
I have to ask: does anyone have an actually useful, frequent use case for AI in a smartphone? "Smarter" camera adjustments seems a bit lowball. If that's it, what's the difference between AI and a clever algorithm? And please don't come dragging your "personal assistant" codswallop, at least not until they become smart enough to do more than the most menial tasks. We don't hire toddlers to work as assistants (even toddlers with great memory and very specialized skillsets), so AI would have to match a mature human in several ways to live up to expectations there. That's not happening with a tiny SoC.
Like everything else, AI advances in steps. Some steps are big, and some are small. What we see here, and also with Apple’s announcement past June that they have a machine learning chip, means that we’re about to see a big advance, that everyone else will be scrambling to catch up to.
The meaning of AI is often misunderstood. It doesn’t mean human level intelligence, it means the ability to use logic and learning to do a number of things that we can do. It’s not a Turing test machine.
But now is the real beginning of machine learning on a personal level device. Ten years from now, it will seem incredibly primitive, as the old lines of smartphones now seem, after the first iPhone shook things up. Even five years from now there will be major advances.
IanCutress: Echo, play songs by Band Maid. 'cannot find'. Echo, play music library. <first song is by Band Maid>. Seriously, wtf is this crap?
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jjj - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
Wish they would use machine learning to adjust the camera settings. Users are terrible at that.Ofc , you can do lots of other things but adjusting camera settings is of high value and can't recall anyone doing it yet.
jjj - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
Look at that, they are doing this, good job.Slaveguy - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
Do you need a tissue or did you use all of them up joikin' awff to this garbagejjj - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
I do need one when i see that someone like you is part of the human race.It's the saddest thing i can imagine.
jjj - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
Would be great if you can ask about packaging and if they do something there, likely not given the low CPU clocks.jjj - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
In the pics the top is for a 366-ball DRAM package.jjj - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
"The CPU efficiency for the cores are 20% more efficiency"The perf per W comparison is less favorable vs Kirin 95X, way too little progress in 2 years.
jjj - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
"But Qualcomm is shipping today, Huawei is not"The Mate 10 launch is scheduled for mid October so TSMC should be shipping it in volume already.
name99 - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
Well, if that's the metric that iPhone A11 (presumably with its own NPU, and who knows what modem) is ALSO shipping in volume already...jjj - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
That bit was about the modem not the NPU.name99 - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
My point was if you start redefining "shipping" to mean anything from "is being manufactured in volume" to "has been manufactured as a test sample" to "we have an idea of something we one day plan to manufacture" you land up anywhere you want...If you want to play the game of "First!" (a singularly pointless game, but one plenty of people seem to enjoy) you at least need to stick to the ground rules of using a date at which ordinary people can buy something. Any other option (date announced, date manufacturing started, etc) is just too prone to manipulation, or based on non-available data.
jjj - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
I am sorry but you are confusing shipping with retail for the end device.You are the one trying to redefine the term.This SoC is shipping if devices are gonna hit retail in Oct.
levizx - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
Taht's BS, and you know it. This is an SoC announcement, so shipping would happen when HiSilicon (TSMC) starts sending Kirin 970 to Huawei in volume. Same for Snapdragon 835 which started shipping in January from Qualcomm (Samsung Semi) to Samsung Electronics. This is definitely different from "sampling".And you are the one redefining "shipping" here. Devices with certain component might never come to terms, that doesn't mean that *component* never shipped.
Threska - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
Welcome to the AI summer, where AI, much like Cloud™ will dazzle the uninitiated, and be placed practically everywhere, even if it's not a fit.name99 - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
That comment is going to age as well as similar comments about electricity, digital computing, and the internet...The fact that some people use a technology in stupid, hype-driven ways is not new; it also doesn't change the fact that one thousand idiots means nothing compared to the one company that knows what it's doing and does something useful with this stuff.
I'd say overall history has shown people are pretty good at sniffing out the hype and ignoring it, while sticking with the stuff of genuine value. Juicero, let's remember, is deservedly bankrupt.
coburn_c - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
Not only will they be dazzled, they will proselytize it fiercely.coburn_c - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
You know when Hawei starts advertising 'artificial intelligence'; it has lost all meaning.Slaveguy - Sunday, September 3, 2017 - link
Let's get your diaper changed right away. You're in for a really long and tough night.Valantar - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
I have to ask: does anyone have an actually useful, frequent use case for AI in a smartphone? "Smarter" camera adjustments seems a bit lowball. If that's it, what's the difference between AI and a clever algorithm? And please don't come dragging your "personal assistant" codswallop, at least not until they become smart enough to do more than the most menial tasks. We don't hire toddlers to work as assistants (even toddlers with great memory and very specialized skillsets), so AI would have to match a mature human in several ways to live up to expectations there. That's not happening with a tiny SoC.Slaveguy - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Get back on your knees and test the limits of your gag reflexmelgross - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Like everything else, AI advances in steps. Some steps are big, and some are small. What we see here, and also with Apple’s announcement past June that they have a machine learning chip, means that we’re about to see a big advance, that everyone else will be scrambling to catch up to.The meaning of AI is often misunderstood. It doesn’t mean human level intelligence, it means the ability to use logic and learning to do a number of things that we can do. It’s not a Turing test machine.
But now is the real beginning of machine learning on a personal level device. Ten years from now, it will seem incredibly primitive, as the old lines of smartphones now seem, after the first iPhone shook things up. Even five years from now there will be major advances.
osxandwindows - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
This sounds like they're pulling an intel to me.melgross - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
I don’t even know what that means.osxandwindows - Tuesday, September 5, 2017 - link
Claiming its 3x faster, just to underdeliver in the end.akula2 - Thursday, September 7, 2017 - link
IanCutress: Echo, play songs by Band Maid. 'cannot find'. Echo, play music library. <first song is by Band Maid>. Seriously, wtf is this crap?Well, Ian, how about first would you come up with a major upgrade to this crappy website design, content management and uplift the forum section with a proper registration and comments tracking feature? The only good thing of this site (which I'm fond of) is, "Print This Article" feature. Before you criticize others first let us look into our own homes, backyards and what not!
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