Here's hoping they add the option to turn the transparency off if you don't like it. I don't really see the point to it, it just makes text harder to read. If they restricted it's use to only panels that didn't contain text, or the text was on a solid element on top of it it would also eliminate my complaint about it.
For an example of what I mean look at the left-hand menu in Groove Music, that shouldn't be transparent, with a dark background image it becomes nearly unreadable.
Before anyone comments about this, I know you can turn transparency off system-wide, I just want it off in the "acrylic" panels used by fluent design, not everywhere.
Right click Start Icon on the bottom left --> Settings --> Personalization --> Colors --> Transparency Effects.
For system-wide: Right click Start Icon on the bottom left --> System --> System Info on the top right for Creators update, otherwise skip to --> Advanced System Settings on the left --> Advanced Tab --> Settings --> Visual Effects tab --> Uncheck Show translucent selection rectangle
They should keep them both, and restore all functionality lost in the Control Panel since Windows 8. It was a good design that has withstood the test of time... the design easily allows hardware and software manufacturers to extend the function of the Control Panel by adding their own .cpl objects. Every Linux desktop environment I have seen so far has some variation on a copy of the Windows Control Panel. When you get something right, there's no need to further improve it; if you try, you just make it worse. Case in point: the ribbon.
I don't care that the Control Panel isn't "touchy" enough. Few people use Windows with touch, and even fewer ONLY with touch. The ship has sailed on Windows Phone, and MS itself has demonstrated that it has resigned itself to this fact when it released apps for iOS and Android that were not then available on its own Windows mobile platform. Leave the touch/UWP interface for those devices that are touch enabled, and leave the mouse-oriented traditional UI for the rest of us.
The actual widgets to build a Win32 or a UWP UI for any given program (or Windows component) are already in Windows 10. The code to utilize those widgets and make an actual UI is trivially small compared to the size of even a simple standalone program these days. Having two predefined, distinct UIs in each program or component wouldn't be "reactive" and thus trendy cool, but it would be something even better: A decently usable, consistent, platform-appropriate UI.
Microsoft's efforts at a single UI to cover everything have fallen way short. Two years after the release of 10 and five since the release of 8, it's still a "zebra" UI in Microsoft's own terms. Canonical has given up on their efforts to accomplish the same thing with Unity. It's one of those ideas that sounds neat on paper but doesn't really work as well as anyone had hoped in the real world. Can we just cut the losses and develop the two UIs in parallel, with each being feature complete and independent of the other?
If MS did that with 10, and at the same time stopped trying to exert so much control over the customer's PC (definitive off switches for telemetry, forced updates, all present and future ads, UWP, and the ability to uninstall Cortana and every app), they might just have themselves an OS there. It would still suffer from insufficient testing (no, we consumer level users are not beta testers) and a needlessly fast update schedule. It's an OS; its job is to be stable and run other programs. Leave the bells and whistles to those other programs, but let the OS itself be stable, without constant code churn.
Is this going to be at the core OS level, or something that will require apps to opt in?
If the former takes the form of the OS being fully color aware with wide gamut HDR screens and defaulting to automatically down sample legacy apps running in 8bit color to the sRGB colorspace (and presumably using manifests as the way for an app to signal that its either defaulting to a different color space or is capable of managing them dynamically) it'd be a great change.
OTOH if the default behavior is the current blown out colors status quo except that it's somewhat easier for the ~20 color aware Windows applications (half of them Adobe's Creative Suite) to do it right, it's just going to be a meaningless gesture.
I read on AVSForums that there was a glitch in the last implementation that they're fixing. I suspect the only visual difference in the windows desktop after they fix it will be 10 bit color support, which may or may not be noticeable. It will look a lot like RGB with wide color support (0-256 shades). For windows apps that have non-full-screen HDR support, you will probably be able to video edit HDR videos, view raw files in all their glory, etc.
Games will go full screen and generally take over all resolution, chroma, etc. which is how HDR works today, but in the future, in theory, you could probably run an HDR game in a window and see the benefits of HDR, drivers permitting.
Games that support HDR seem to work fine for me but when I turn HDR on in the Windows display settings, I get nearly unreadable text and incorrect contrast settings. Basically windows is SDR but it kicks the TV to HDR mode and ruins how Windows looks. So I have to toggle it every time I want to play a game in HDR. Before the creators update the GPU driver would handle the HDR functionality but after creator's update and with new driver revisions you offload this control to Windows itself which basically turns HDR on full time and is incorrect. HDR video also doesn't play correctly. Hopefully this can be fixed.
As of the Insider's build 16281.rs3_release.170829-1438, which is supposed to include the stuff going in to the Fall Creator's update, HDR washout has not improved from the Creator's update. Games like Mass Effect: Andromeda will detect and automatically switch to HDR10, but it's the same washed out HDR10 of the Desktop. I still can't get ME:A to do Dolby Vision. I've messed around with turning on HDR in display settings and even dropping the refresh rate to 29Hz at 4k, and the best it manages is a washed out RGB @ 12-bit depth, at least on an HDMI cable rated for 18Gbps. At 60Hz, it drops back to YCbCr422 @ 10-bit depth with nearly unreadable text and a washed out screen. It's *possible* they'll fix this in the future with a driver release or another Windows release, but they still haven't gotten even HDR10 right, let alone Dolby Vision.
Actually I just hope they fix that stupid gamma reset when using fullscreen dx9 games. Only happens in the original Creators Update, and they still havent patched it except in "insider" builds.
If you have custom brightness/gamma/contrast settings, a game like GW2 (DX9) will consistently reset them every time you exit a fullscreen session. Currently, the only way around this is to run windowed or windowed fullscreen (if your dx9 app supports it) but performance is at the whim of windows DWM. It doesnt happen in any prior windows 10 build before the Creators Update, and hasnt been fixed since.
Yeah that isn't a new thing, has more to do with the game software than anything from what I remember back on older versions. Also if a game has a windowed fullscreen option I always use it. On a modern PC the performance hit (if any) is basically a rounding error, and it makes switching to another app and back again (especially repeatedly) faster and more reliable.
While WIndowed Borderless has supposed to have been nearly perfect due to the various upgrades to the DWM over the years, I still find in games to this day that dont quite run as smooth as fullscreen---annoying little hitches here and there that dont exist in fullscreen mode. GW2 had this problem until recently, although Anet seems to have fixed it in one of its patches over the past month. Also, if you have an AMD CFX system, you get no crossfire in WIndowed Borderless or WIndowed mode. SLI works.
As for the gamma reset, this is a new issue with win10/creators update---perhaps there are certain games that have always triggered this, but I havent run across any in a good long time that do this.
The gamma issue seems to mostly be affecting Nvidia users, looking around. Not saying that it's entirely their fault, but it would explain why I can't recall having any more issues with CU than before (some of my games don't have a borderless/windowed FS mode).
I didn't think about Crossfire, yeah that would be annoying. Tandem graphics seems to be getting gradually phased out by both camps.
There is a similar bug as well... Any Saved Color Profiles are also not set when you boot into windows (inserted with the original Creator's update). You have to reset and set the profiles over and over everytime you boot windows regardless of what you do with the ICC tool.
Why don't they ever fix long lasting bugs and annoying stuff with windows UI. It blows my mind they focus on the most useless stuff.
Windows snapping is completely borked. Multi-monitor support is still years behind 3rd party apps. Settings don't save between folders. Zero customization for folders. So many that have been said for years and no chances.
"It blows my mind they focus on the most useless stuff."
Useless is in the eye of the beholder. The new features don't do much for me personally but for a lot of people they are important.
Curios: What do you see as being wrong with multi-monitor support? It does everything I want it to do. So it may be a case of important to you but "useless stuff" to me and others.
Try having multiple displayport monitors and power one of them off.
If your video driver doesn't crash outright, you'll have all the windows rearranged and moved to remaining monitors, fucking up z-order and placement. Also constant window resizing on resolution change and not bringing things back on next change. this is why i pretty much give up on running anything full screen at not native res, cuz on app exit i would end up with every window resized to 1280x720 or whatever full screen rez was. there are third party apps to fix this shit but they shouldn't exist, it should be a core os thing
Seconding this, Its a nightmare. Because all the icons, programs, etc.. will be moved to the main monitor. Not only that, all your screen ICC (color profiles) will also be reset to default. When you turn on the monitor again.. (or goes out of sleep) the icons might or not might move back to where they where, but the programs wont (nor the color profiles, you will have to reset them)
I have multiple DP monitors and have none of those issues. the icons always end back up where I left them before I powered off, the windows go back to where I left them(assuming I didn't shuffle them around while it was off, admittedly it's a crapshoot where they'll end up if I did), and I've never had a display driver crash due to powering a monitor off. I've also never had the desktop fail to return to its native res after full-screen of a different res on 10(it's happened on older windows versions, but not 10). are you guys sure this isn't a failure of your graphics drivers?
Nope, happened with 3 video cards, 1 nvidia, 2 AMD.. its Windows based on what DisplayPort supposed to do (plug and play style. So off = disappears from system. Note that NOT ALL MONITORS are fully displayport complaint )
"Try having multiple displayport monitors and power one of them off.
If your video driver doesn't crash outright, you'll have all the windows rearranged and moved to remaining monitors, fucking up z-order and placement"
So much this ^^^^
I thought it was just me and my mismatched display set (JBOM i call it), but yeah on any other port theyre fine, but turn off this main displayport monitor and suddenly my desktop is shunted to screen 2 with this main now offset in the MS screen mapping order making it a teeth gnashing multiple click event getting it all back to normal.
Is it going to be available for Win 10 Enterprise as an update or ISO only? Still to this day my Win 10 Enterprise doesn't find the original Creators Update within the os updates. Also they haven't released the upgrade tool for Enterprise editions.
What update path are you on? There is the Current branch, current branch for business, and Long Term Servicing Branch. Since you have Enterprise Edition I'm going to assume that you are talking about a company/employer owned system since Enterprise is only available to those with a Volume License Agreement. That means your system administrators will be managing what path you are on and controlling what updates you get. If you are on LTSB, then no you won't get it. But being on Enterprise Edition doesn't tell us which update branch you are on.
If the calculator is a good example of fluent design then it won't be long until they rethink fluent design. To me it is gray with an off set gradient. I would rather a skinning engine, or themes so I can pick from a few calculator designs. Not that when I calculate I won't be in complete and utter awe about how wonderfully fluent its design isn't.
"Photos is still going to be called Photos though, so you should still be able to find your pictures even though there will be additional capabilities added to the app"
- Except you still can't search for your tags in photo metadata, as you could with the now withdrawn Windows Photo Gallery...
"The one feature I am looking forward to more than any other is easily OneDrive Files On-Demand."
- And because the new Placeholders do NOT hold any metadata about the files on OneDrive, you can't use File Explorer to search your files (you could with the old version). This is an improvement? I think not.
Well, I won't be getting it for my two 950XLs (purchased directly from Microsoft just 10 months ago), nor my two Asus mini-Transformers (purchased directly from Microsoft just 6 months ago). Yeah mobil first.
However, my 2010 handbuilt PC with a core-I7 purchased in the fall of 2012 will get it. (actually already has through insider preview).
I'm seriously ticked about how all that's played out. The hardware's good, the OS and everything are awesome. I like the iPhone too, but I liked having a possible alternative, and used Windows Phone 8.1 for years. Now it's only iPhone :-/ (And I love how they were working towards actually being able to plug in and use a phone as a PC!)
Why wouldn't your Asus Transformer Minis get it? Especially if you manually update when the FCU hits general release? If it's the drivers like some of the older Atoms, that's an Intel issue.
Well, let's tally the reasons for my "excitement" (or not) 1. 50% of my windows machines have been stuck in a loop failing to perform updates, some of which indicate they involve security patches since the last one 2. Those that haven't, have been interrupting my work with blue dialog boxes that blow you out of whatever you are doing within hours I previously specified as not appropriate for updates trying to get the last update.
So, one should be forgiven if this is met with anything other than a pained groan knowing more malfunction is coming right around the corner!
Since Windows 10 arrive, I no longer look forward to Windows updates. Just means I have to go and reset most of my settings to off, disable Cortana again and uninstall a raft of useless 'apps'. About the only reason I keep Windows 10 around is for my Steam games and the occasional Photoshop session.
Early versions of Windows 7 had some issues with USB 2 so when I heard about the fixes for it a coming update, I did look forward to it. At least is was giving us some need fixes as opposed to some of the pretty much useless 'apps' they dump on us with their updates.
They've steadily improved 10 since release (with both obvious changes and under-the-hood improvements) and continue to do so. I personally am OK with most of the default settings, but even if you're not, moving from CU to FCU would take very little effort.
Like I said, even if you're not (yet you probably use an Android or iPhone that is twice as invasive and doesn't let you scale back as much without rooting) it doesn't take much effort to toggle settings. They're removing some dead code in this release too, which is excellent.
<<<Almost a year ago, Microsoft and Qualcomm came together to announce new PCs running on Qualcomm CPUs, meaning Windows 10 is going to be available on ARM, with x86 emulation>>>
Sooooo why aren't the Surface 1 and 2 getting this again? I mean may just be RAM and CPU power aren't great enough, but still...
It would run like dog-poo even on the Tegra 4, let alone the Tegra 3. Plus they would need Nvidia to update the ancient drivers, and MS would have to build a support layer as well. Who knows maybe someone will hack something together, but I doubt it would be worth the effort.
Currently it only supports the SD 835, which is pretty state-of-the-art. MS worked with QC on it to make sure drivers and platform support were all in place. I suspect a SD with less cores (4-6) would also be fine as long as they are using high-performance Kryo 280 or equivalent.
Likely because is finding that Winows 10 on SD 835 is not even living up to Atom cpu and they don't desire another Windows RT. Plus they probably don't want lose support of Intel and yes AMD.
They already demo'd Windows 10 on ARM and it runs well on modern ARM chips. ULP Atom wasn't anything impressive, worse now that it's a whole generation out of date. The fact that you mentioned Windows RT means you don't know much about Windows on ARM. It's different, it even runs Win32 programs. Intel can be B-H about it all they want, they caused this with their lack of support for ULP.
Might be my inate cynicism, or just a suspicion about PR releases either way it is disappointing (not surprising tho) when a report on Windows updates doesn't mention what you are going to lose. Anandtech are usually are bit more on the ball than that. For those who are interested: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4034825/f...
Everything on there is outdated junk and/or superseded/replaced - except for one item. ReFS support has been modified for Windows Pro. All editions of Windows will still be able to read/write ReFS but Pro won't be able to create ReFS partitions.
The thing is, ReFS is not a good replacement for NTFS (at this time at least). It has performance overhead vs NTFS, on TOP of the performance hit you take if you enable its integrity scanner. For those running large arrays, they already have intelligent storage which enable similar forms of integrity checking. For other situations where ReFS is still useful, Pro for Workstations and Enterprise still support creation of partitions.
The Creator's update added some very annoying bugs related to color space and color gamuts.
I really hope they get their asses to fix this issue. Its not funny to have to force-set all my screens configurations everytime I enter Windows or get in/leave one of the affected games(like Prey).
This creators ipdate look like no one will even notice it. i'm serious. What does it bring to the system? Slicker interface elements and minor tweaks? Really, I can't find a reaon to care, and it's not just me. https://software.informer.com/Stories/the-windows-... What is Microsoft thinking? I mean, when the most exciting thing about your operating system is the ability to convert PDFs to Word by renaming formats, there's something fundamentally rwong with the way you're evolving. https://software.informer.com/Stories/convert-pdf-... This update, then the next one... then what, Windows 11? And what will be new there?
I heard MS is retiring Windows Paint with this update and Paint 3D will be the default app going forward. That'd be a real pain for many light users who barely learnt how to use the old paint.
iTunes is such a lump of shit, who even uses that dumpster fire anymore? With iCloud you don't need to install that bloated heap of a UX disaster on your machine and avoid much unnecessary aggravation.
'Fall' is a poor choice. Ignoring the wet and dry of the tropics it's Spring for half the planet. Even in the Fall the word for the season is often Autumn. Is this an international OS or not? If it is let's see some naming conventions that make sense outside the USA. Don't even get me started on translation, Fall is ambiguous, Autumn is not. Random rant ends.
I have to disagree in several points, Windows 10 is still a pain in several areas:
1. Service Model / Windows Updates: The service model is not only a challenge for the Enterprise but also for the end customer. The updates are not well tested and especially in the area of professional and home recording studios thare are often issues with the updates, so that i.e. USB recording interfaces do not work well anymore. Like with a stable server people in this area know that they only get stability, if they do not change too much on the system. With Windows 7 it was possible, by configuring Windows Update to deploy only security patches, not add on software. I am still stuck on Windows 7 not only for this reason, but this is the most important thing to me. STABILITY for the system and connected devices.
2. The look and feel. Windows Start menue is still crap for desktop user. The automatically sorting of applications from A-Z is absolutely not required and needs too much vertical space. I want back Win7 start menue, where I have an efficiantly pinned list of application with submenues that are from workflow perspective easily to read. What I dislike with the tiles ? If they are large, then they are too large. If you make them smaller, then its too small. The style of pinning in Win7 feels more "just right" for the normal office work. All these designers should better think about, that a computer is also for work and business. Its the workflow which counts to get your job done. And instant changes do not make the product not better if there is no real benefit by this. A computer is no toy. Developer and product designer should carefully think about before making changes.
3. The configuration menues may be nice for smartphone or tablet users. But for a desktop user on a high resolution Full HD (or higher) desktop they look too large and do not really fit to the desktop.
4. Handling with Laptops and external screens: When using Laptops and a 2nd bigger screen, which you make to your primary screen, then the icons of the former primary screen are not moved to your main screen, they remain on the smaller laptop which is now the secondary screen.
There are so many examples that Windows 10 has been made worse and worse, because there are still too many influences of small tablet and smartphone use to the style and look and feel and there is a wild mix of old style and new style menues with the effect that everything appears still kludgy.
5. Privacy Having to accept Win10 Terms of use is another big pain point. Everybody in the industry wants to be the winner in big data, at the end the customer is the looser in this game. Once this data piles up somewhere then companies can also decide with whom they want to make business or not or at what price (insurences for example). And this is of course not to the full advantage of customers. Too heavy ? Too late in bed ? Stressful life ? You might have to pay more ... etc. And this is only one example.
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Flunk - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Here's hoping they add the option to turn the transparency off if you don't like it. I don't really see the point to it, it just makes text harder to read. If they restricted it's use to only panels that didn't contain text, or the text was on a solid element on top of it it would also eliminate my complaint about it.For an example of what I mean look at the left-hand menu in Groove Music, that shouldn't be transparent, with a dark background image it becomes nearly unreadable.
Flunk - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Before anyone comments about this, I know you can turn transparency off system-wide, I just want it off in the "acrylic" panels used by fluent design, not everywhere.quiksilvr - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Right click Start Icon on the bottom left --> Settings --> Personalization --> Colors --> Transparency Effects.For system-wide:
Right click Start Icon on the bottom left --> System --> System Info on the top right for Creators update, otherwise skip to --> Advanced System Settings on the left --> Advanced Tab --> Settings --> Visual Effects tab --> Uncheck Show translucent selection rectangle
quiksilvr - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Advanced Tab --> Settings under "Performance" --> Visual Effects...quiksilvr - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Actually it seems like the Transparency Effects is system wide now. Terrific so it appears to be all or nothing.jabber - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Will they have Control Panel/Settings sorted out once and for all? I'm still 80/20 Control panel.Wolfpup - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
That whole situation is bizarre. I'm not sure I WANT it to change given that may mean they remove features or make them hardware to access.Alexvrb - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Hardware to access? Like... a control board loaded with toggle switches? Sweeeeeet!Ascaris - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
They should keep them both, and restore all functionality lost in the Control Panel since Windows 8. It was a good design that has withstood the test of time... the design easily allows hardware and software manufacturers to extend the function of the Control Panel by adding their own .cpl objects. Every Linux desktop environment I have seen so far has some variation on a copy of the Windows Control Panel. When you get something right, there's no need to further improve it; if you try, you just make it worse. Case in point: the ribbon.I don't care that the Control Panel isn't "touchy" enough. Few people use Windows with touch, and even fewer ONLY with touch. The ship has sailed on Windows Phone, and MS itself has demonstrated that it has resigned itself to this fact when it released apps for iOS and Android that were not then available on its own Windows mobile platform. Leave the touch/UWP interface for those devices that are touch enabled, and leave the mouse-oriented traditional UI for the rest of us.
The actual widgets to build a Win32 or a UWP UI for any given program (or Windows component) are already in Windows 10. The code to utilize those widgets and make an actual UI is trivially small compared to the size of even a simple standalone program these days. Having two predefined, distinct UIs in each program or component wouldn't be "reactive" and thus trendy cool, but it would be something even better: A decently usable, consistent, platform-appropriate UI.
Microsoft's efforts at a single UI to cover everything have fallen way short. Two years after the release of 10 and five since the release of 8, it's still a "zebra" UI in Microsoft's own terms. Canonical has given up on their efforts to accomplish the same thing with Unity. It's one of those ideas that sounds neat on paper but doesn't really work as well as anyone had hoped in the real world. Can we just cut the losses and develop the two UIs in parallel, with each being feature complete and independent of the other?
If MS did that with 10, and at the same time stopped trying to exert so much control over the customer's PC (definitive off switches for telemetry, forced updates, all present and future ads, UWP, and the ability to uninstall Cortana and every app), they might just have themselves an OS there. It would still suffer from insufficient testing (no, we consumer level users are not beta testers) and a needlessly fast update schedule. It's an OS; its job is to be stable and run other programs. Leave the bells and whistles to those other programs, but let the OS itself be stable, without constant code churn.
I'm dreaming, I know.
djscrew - Friday, September 8, 2017 - link
This should be top comment. Like, why does .msc configurations exist still? Move them into the new UI. Simplify the UI but don't eliminate options.nathanddrews - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
"such as improved HDR and wide color gamut support"Excellent.
-Mr. Burns
DanNeely - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Is this going to be at the core OS level, or something that will require apps to opt in?If the former takes the form of the OS being fully color aware with wide gamut HDR screens and defaulting to automatically down sample legacy apps running in 8bit color to the sRGB colorspace (and presumably using manifests as the way for an app to signal that its either defaulting to a different color space or is capable of managing them dynamically) it'd be a great change.
OTOH if the default behavior is the current blown out colors status quo except that it's somewhat easier for the ~20 color aware Windows applications (half of them Adobe's Creative Suite) to do it right, it's just going to be a meaningless gesture.
mckirkus - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
I read on AVSForums that there was a glitch in the last implementation that they're fixing. I suspect the only visual difference in the windows desktop after they fix it will be 10 bit color support, which may or may not be noticeable. It will look a lot like RGB with wide color support (0-256 shades). For windows apps that have non-full-screen HDR support, you will probably be able to video edit HDR videos, view raw files in all their glory, etc.Games will go full screen and generally take over all resolution, chroma, etc. which is how HDR works today, but in the future, in theory, you could probably run an HDR game in a window and see the benefits of HDR, drivers permitting.
cmdrdredd - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Games that support HDR seem to work fine for me but when I turn HDR on in the Windows display settings, I get nearly unreadable text and incorrect contrast settings. Basically windows is SDR but it kicks the TV to HDR mode and ruins how Windows looks. So I have to toggle it every time I want to play a game in HDR. Before the creators update the GPU driver would handle the HDR functionality but after creator's update and with new driver revisions you offload this control to Windows itself which basically turns HDR on full time and is incorrect. HDR video also doesn't play correctly. Hopefully this can be fixed.JayRx1981 - Thursday, September 7, 2017 - link
As of the Insider's build 16281.rs3_release.170829-1438, which is supposed to include the stuff going in to the Fall Creator's update, HDR washout has not improved from the Creator's update. Games like Mass Effect: Andromeda will detect and automatically switch to HDR10, but it's the same washed out HDR10 of the Desktop. I still can't get ME:A to do Dolby Vision. I've messed around with turning on HDR in display settings and even dropping the refresh rate to 29Hz at 4k, and the best it manages is a washed out RGB @ 12-bit depth, at least on an HDMI cable rated for 18Gbps. At 60Hz, it drops back to YCbCr422 @ 10-bit depth with nearly unreadable text and a washed out screen. It's *possible* they'll fix this in the future with a driver release or another Windows release, but they still haven't gotten even HDR10 right, let alone Dolby Vision.Hurr Durr - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
They are handling this as opt-in, at least for now.blppt - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Actually I just hope they fix that stupid gamma reset when using fullscreen dx9 games. Only happens in the original Creators Update, and they still havent patched it except in "insider" builds.Wolfpup - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
What's it do?blppt - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
If you have custom brightness/gamma/contrast settings, a game like GW2 (DX9) will consistently reset them every time you exit a fullscreen session. Currently, the only way around this is to run windowed or windowed fullscreen (if your dx9 app supports it) but performance is at the whim of windows DWM. It doesnt happen in any prior windows 10 build before the Creators Update, and hasnt been fixed since.Hurr Durr - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
I had gamma resets since Quake 3 times if memory serves. It never stopped happening, 7, 8 or 10.Alexvrb - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Yeah that isn't a new thing, has more to do with the game software than anything from what I remember back on older versions. Also if a game has a windowed fullscreen option I always use it. On a modern PC the performance hit (if any) is basically a rounding error, and it makes switching to another app and back again (especially repeatedly) faster and more reliable.blppt - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
While WIndowed Borderless has supposed to have been nearly perfect due to the various upgrades to the DWM over the years, I still find in games to this day that dont quite run as smooth as fullscreen---annoying little hitches here and there that dont exist in fullscreen mode. GW2 had this problem until recently, although Anet seems to have fixed it in one of its patches over the past month. Also, if you have an AMD CFX system, you get no crossfire in WIndowed Borderless or WIndowed mode. SLI works.As for the gamma reset, this is a new issue with win10/creators update---perhaps there are certain games that have always triggered this, but I havent run across any in a good long time that do this.
Its a real issue with CU: https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/1003748/g...
Alexvrb - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
The gamma issue seems to mostly be affecting Nvidia users, looking around. Not saying that it's entirely their fault, but it would explain why I can't recall having any more issues with CU than before (some of my games don't have a borderless/windowed FS mode).I didn't think about Crossfire, yeah that would be annoying. Tandem graphics seems to be getting gradually phased out by both camps.
blppt - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
Believe it or not, there is actually an AMD user with the same problem in that Nvidia forum thread, lol.Ro_Ja - Sunday, September 3, 2017 - link
Also happens to me in San Andreas with both NVIDIA and AMD, the only fix was to pause and resume the game loltamalero - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
Prey game does this.ME:Andromeda doesn't.
tamalero - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
There is a similar bug as well... Any Saved Color Profiles are also not set when you boot into windows (inserted with the original Creator's update). You have to reset and set the profiles over and over everytime you boot windows regardless of what you do with the ICC tool.Laxaa - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
I'm guessing we can expect a new Surface device around this time as wellimaheadcase - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Why don't they ever fix long lasting bugs and annoying stuff with windows UI. It blows my mind they focus on the most useless stuff.Windows snapping is completely borked.
Multi-monitor support is still years behind 3rd party apps.
Settings don't save between folders.
Zero customization for folders.
So many that have been said for years and no chances.
Wolfpup - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Eh? Windows snapping remains awesome for me, and multi-monitor support is awesome too. Windows does that stuff better than anyone.Ratman6161 - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
"It blows my mind they focus on the most useless stuff."Useless is in the eye of the beholder. The new features don't do much for me personally but for a lot of people they are important.
Curios: What do you see as being wrong with multi-monitor support? It does everything I want it to do. So it may be a case of important to you but "useless stuff" to me and others.
timecop1818 - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
Try having multiple displayport monitors and power one of them off.If your video driver doesn't crash outright, you'll have all the windows rearranged and moved to remaining monitors, fucking up z-order and placement. Also constant window resizing on resolution change and not bringing things back on next change. this is why i pretty much give up on running anything full screen at not native res, cuz on app exit i would end up with every window resized to 1280x720 or whatever full screen rez was. there are third party apps to fix this shit but they shouldn't exist, it should be a core os thing
tamalero - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
Seconding this, Its a nightmare.Because all the icons, programs, etc.. will be moved to the main monitor.
Not only that, all your screen ICC (color profiles) will also be reset to default.
When you turn on the monitor again.. (or goes out of sleep) the icons might or not might move back to where they where, but the programs wont (nor the color profiles, you will have to reset them)
e36Jeff - Sunday, September 3, 2017 - link
I have multiple DP monitors and have none of those issues. the icons always end back up where I left them before I powered off, the windows go back to where I left them(assuming I didn't shuffle them around while it was off, admittedly it's a crapshoot where they'll end up if I did), and I've never had a display driver crash due to powering a monitor off. I've also never had the desktop fail to return to its native res after full-screen of a different res on 10(it's happened on older windows versions, but not 10). are you guys sure this isn't a failure of your graphics drivers?tamalero - Monday, September 4, 2017 - link
Nope, happened with 3 video cards, 1 nvidia, 2 AMD.. its Windows based on what DisplayPort supposed to do (plug and play style. So off = disappears from system. Note that NOT ALL MONITORS are fully displayport complaint )MadAd - Sunday, September 3, 2017 - link
"Try having multiple displayport monitors and power one of them off.If your video driver doesn't crash outright, you'll have all the windows rearranged and moved to remaining monitors, fucking up z-order and placement"
So much this ^^^^
I thought it was just me and my mismatched display set (JBOM i call it), but yeah on any other port theyre fine, but turn off this main displayport monitor and suddenly my desktop is shunted to screen 2 with this main now offset in the MS screen mapping order making it a teeth gnashing multiple click event getting it all back to normal.
sweeper765 - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Is it going to be available for Win 10 Enterprise as an update or ISO only? Still to this day my Win 10 Enterprise doesn't find the original Creators Update within the os updates. Also they haven't released the upgrade tool for Enterprise editions.Ratman6161 - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
What update path are you on? There is the Current branch, current branch for business, and Long Term Servicing Branch. Since you have Enterprise Edition I'm going to assume that you are talking about a company/employer owned system since Enterprise is only available to those with a Volume License Agreement. That means your system administrators will be managing what path you are on and controlling what updates you get. If you are on LTSB, then no you won't get it. But being on Enterprise Edition doesn't tell us which update branch you are on.See: https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/surface/2017/0...
justareader - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
If the calculator is a good example of fluent design then it won't be long until they rethink fluent design. To me it is gray with an off set gradient. I would rather a skinning engine, or themes so I can pick from a few calculator designs. Not that when I calculate I won't be in complete and utter awe about how wonderfully fluent its design isn't.gcoupe - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
"Photos is still going to be called Photos though, so you should still be able to find your pictures even though there will be additional capabilities added to the app"- Except you still can't search for your tags in photo metadata, as you could with the now withdrawn Windows Photo Gallery...
"The one feature I am looking forward to more than any other is easily OneDrive Files On-Demand."
- And because the new Placeholders do NOT hold any metadata about the files on OneDrive, you can't use File Explorer to search your files (you could with the old version). This is an improvement? I think not.
Dabxxx - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
How about automatic scaling for 4k without resorting to kludges? Starting with the taskbar . . .HardwareDufus - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Well, I won't be getting it for my two 950XLs (purchased directly from Microsoft just 10 months ago), nor my two Asus mini-Transformers (purchased directly from Microsoft just 6 months ago). Yeah mobil first.However, my 2010 handbuilt PC with a core-I7 purchased in the fall of 2012 will get it. (actually already has through insider preview).
Wolfpup - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
I'm seriously ticked about how all that's played out. The hardware's good, the OS and everything are awesome. I like the iPhone too, but I liked having a possible alternative, and used Windows Phone 8.1 for years. Now it's only iPhone :-/ (And I love how they were working towards actually being able to plug in and use a phone as a PC!)Alexvrb - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Why wouldn't your Asus Transformer Minis get it? Especially if you manually update when the FCU hits general release? If it's the drivers like some of the older Atoms, that's an Intel issue.Hurr Durr - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
950/XL was in the supported list last time I`ve checked. Unlike my 735.cekim - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Well, let's tally the reasons for my "excitement" (or not)1. 50% of my windows machines have been stuck in a loop failing to perform updates, some of which indicate they involve security patches since the last one
2. Those that haven't, have been interrupting my work with blue dialog boxes that blow you out of whatever you are doing within hours I previously specified as not appropriate for updates trying to get the last update.
So, one should be forgiven if this is met with anything other than a pained groan knowing more malfunction is coming right around the corner!
Wolfpup - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
I've got piles of PCs running Windows 10 and haven't seen anything like that.Alexvrb - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Except yours probably aren't loaded with lord-knows-what kind of junkware or worse. :Psadsteve - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Since Windows 10 arrive, I no longer look forward to Windows updates. Just means I have to go and reset most of my settings to off, disable Cortana again and uninstall a raft of useless 'apps'. About the only reason I keep Windows 10 around is for my Steam games and the occasional Photoshop session.Hurr Durr - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
No update to this day brought much in terms of applications, you`re full of it.Ratman6161 - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
So in Windows 7 you "looked forward to windows updates"? Really? Oh boy! Its patch Tuesday! Wooohooooo!sadsteve - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
Early versions of Windows 7 had some issues with USB 2 so when I heard about the fixes for it a coming update, I did look forward to it. At least is was giving us some need fixes as opposed to some of the pretty much useless 'apps' they dump on us with their updates.Alexvrb - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
They've steadily improved 10 since release (with both obvious changes and under-the-hood improvements) and continue to do so. I personally am OK with most of the default settings, but even if you're not, moving from CU to FCU would take very little effort.sadsteve - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
I'm obviously not OK with most of the defaults, there's only a couple that I don't changes.Alexvrb - Sunday, September 3, 2017 - link
Like I said, even if you're not (yet you probably use an Android or iPhone that is twice as invasive and doesn't let you scale back as much without rooting) it doesn't take much effort to toggle settings. They're removing some dead code in this release too, which is excellent.tamalero - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
In Windows 7, you could delay the patches indefinitely.. GASSP! WHO KNEW!!So you could hold an update until the darn thing was stable.
Windows 10 shoves the patches at all costs.
Similar to how useless the BSOD screens in Win10 are now.
austinsguitar - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
i think windows 10 design does need a change. this is a good improvement to the feel of an outddated design. thanks windowsWolfpup - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
<<<Almost a year ago, Microsoft and Qualcomm came together to announce new PCs running on Qualcomm CPUs, meaning Windows 10 is going to be available on ARM, with x86 emulation>>>Sooooo why aren't the Surface 1 and 2 getting this again? I mean may just be RAM and CPU power aren't great enough, but still...
Alexvrb - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
It would run like dog-poo even on the Tegra 4, let alone the Tegra 3. Plus they would need Nvidia to update the ancient drivers, and MS would have to build a support layer as well. Who knows maybe someone will hack something together, but I doubt it would be worth the effort.Currently it only supports the SD 835, which is pretty state-of-the-art. MS worked with QC on it to make sure drivers and platform support were all in place. I suspect a SD with less cores (4-6) would also be fine as long as they are using high-performance Kryo 280 or equivalent.
HStewart - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
Likely because is finding that Winows 10 on SD 835 is not even living up to Atom cpu and they don't desire another Windows RT. Plus they probably don't want lose support of Intel and yes AMD.Alexvrb - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
They already demo'd Windows 10 on ARM and it runs well on modern ARM chips. ULP Atom wasn't anything impressive, worse now that it's a whole generation out of date. The fact that you mentioned Windows RT means you don't know much about Windows on ARM. It's different, it even runs Win32 programs. Intel can be B-H about it all they want, they caused this with their lack of support for ULP.Alexvrb - Friday, September 1, 2017 - link
"Windows 10 is going to be available on ARM, with x86 emulation. Intel isn’t too happy about this though, as they mentioned in an earnings call"Guess they shouldn't have abandoned their ULP Atom efforts then!
Uteman - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
Might be my inate cynicism, or just a suspicion about PR releases either way it is disappointing (not surprising tho) when a report on Windows updates doesn't mention what you are going to lose. Anandtech are usually are bit more on the ball than that.For those who are interested:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4034825/f...
Alexvrb - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
Everything on there is outdated junk and/or superseded/replaced - except for one item. ReFS support has been modified for Windows Pro. All editions of Windows will still be able to read/write ReFS but Pro won't be able to create ReFS partitions.The thing is, ReFS is not a good replacement for NTFS (at this time at least). It has performance overhead vs NTFS, on TOP of the performance hit you take if you enable its integrity scanner. For those running large arrays, they already have intelligent storage which enable similar forms of integrity checking. For other situations where ReFS is still useful, Pro for Workstations and Enterprise still support creation of partitions.
tamalero - Saturday, September 2, 2017 - link
The Creator's update added some very annoying bugs related to color space and color gamuts.I really hope they get their asses to fix this issue. Its not funny to have to force-set all my screens configurations everytime I enter Windows or get in/leave one of the affected games(like Prey).
SlanDung - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 - link
This creators ipdate look like no one will even notice it. i'm serious. What does it bring to the system? Slicker interface elements and minor tweaks? Really, I can't find a reaon to care, and it's not just me.https://software.informer.com/Stories/the-windows-...
What is Microsoft thinking? I mean, when the most exciting thing about your operating system is the ability to convert PDFs to Word by renaming formats, there's something fundamentally rwong with the way you're evolving.
https://software.informer.com/Stories/convert-pdf-...
This update, then the next one... then what, Windows 11? And what will be new there?
overseer - Wednesday, September 6, 2017 - link
I heard MS is retiring Windows Paint with this update and Paint 3D will be the default app going forward. That'd be a real pain for many light users who barely learnt how to use the old paint.djscrew - Friday, September 8, 2017 - link
iTunes is such a lump of shit, who even uses that dumpster fire anymore? With iCloud you don't need to install that bloated heap of a UX disaster on your machine and avoid much unnecessary aggravation.Mickatroid - Tuesday, September 12, 2017 - link
'Fall' is a poor choice. Ignoring the wet and dry of the tropics it's Spring for half the planet. Even in the Fall the word for the season is often Autumn. Is this an international OS or not? If it is let's see some naming conventions that make sense outside the USA. Don't even get me started on translation, Fall is ambiguous, Autumn is not. Random rant ends.CarpeDM - Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - link
Updated to WIndows 10 Creator a couple of days ago, haven't had a chance to check out the changes. Looking forward to it!www.sptbgwebdesign.com
CarpeDM - Wednesday, September 13, 2017 - link
http://www.sptbgwebdesign.com/Soundgardener - Thursday, September 14, 2017 - link
Calc.exe LOOKS BETTER?!To infinity and BEYOND, Microsoft!
xray9 - Saturday, September 16, 2017 - link
I have to disagree in several points, Windows 10 is still a pain in several areas:1. Service Model / Windows Updates:
The service model is not only a challenge for the Enterprise but also for the end customer.
The updates are not well tested and especially in the area of professional and home recording studios thare are often issues with the updates, so that i.e. USB recording interfaces do not work well anymore. Like with a stable server people in this area know that they only get stability, if they do not change too much on the system. With Windows 7 it was possible, by configuring Windows Update to deploy only security patches, not add on software. I am still stuck on Windows 7 not only for this reason, but this is the most important thing to me. STABILITY for the system and connected devices.
2. The look and feel. Windows Start menue is still crap for desktop user.
The automatically sorting of applications from A-Z is absolutely not required and needs too much vertical space. I want back Win7 start menue, where I have an efficiantly pinned list of application with submenues that are from workflow perspective easily to read.
What I dislike with the tiles ? If they are large, then they are too large. If you make them smaller, then its too small. The style of pinning in Win7 feels more "just right" for the normal office work.
All these designers should better think about, that a computer is also for work and business.
Its the workflow which counts to get your job done. And instant changes do not make the product not better if there is no real benefit by this. A computer is no toy. Developer and product designer should carefully think about before making changes.
3. The configuration menues may be nice for smartphone or tablet users. But for a desktop user on a high resolution Full HD (or higher) desktop they look too large and do not really fit to the desktop.
4. Handling with Laptops and external screens:
When using Laptops and a 2nd bigger screen, which you make to your primary screen,
then the icons of the former primary screen are not moved to your main screen, they remain
on the smaller laptop which is now the secondary screen.
There are so many examples that Windows 10 has been made worse and worse, because there are still too many influences of small tablet and smartphone use to the style and look and feel and there is a wild mix of old style and new style menues with the effect that everything appears still kludgy.
5. Privacy
Having to accept Win10 Terms of use is another big pain point. Everybody in the industry wants to be the winner in big data, at the end the customer is the looser in this game. Once this data piles up somewhere then companies can also decide with whom they want to make business or not or at what price (insurences for example). And this is of course not to the full advantage of customers. Too heavy ? Too late in bed ? Stressful life ? You might have to pay more ... etc.
And this is only one example.
mattmos - Thursday, September 21, 2017 - link
I hope its planned that windows 10 will be less vram hungry - reserving 20% of my gpu memory is not on, when its needed for rendering.boe - Sunday, September 24, 2017 - link
CU is unusable for me. The master browser is broken. I've let MS know - they know there is an issue but still no fix.