If you are looking for something considerably less ugly, the 15.6" Omen is much better looking IMHO: http://amzn.to/2vCzXmv (url shortened)
Personally, I am digging the external Thunderbolt docks for gaming purposes. Seems more efficient to "dock" in order to game with a desktop GPU rather than carrying around a power and thermal limited discrete GPU in the laptop. Perhaps I am just too old school. ;-)
Even relatively inexpensive notebooks have enough CPU power for most modern games, but TB isn't very widespread on most laptops and almost entirely absent from the low cost segments. Then there's the expense of the graphics dock, an external monitor, and the desktop GPU plus the lost portability of having the dGPU integrated into the system.
Should be a unibody aluminium space heater that gets discomfortableafter 15 minutes of heavy loading...... And that will get all scratched, and any bang will result in a dent.
If you're playing games on your lap, I question your line of reasoning. The rest of the time, you can have a mixed design (metal shell, plastic palmrest, plastic/glass bezel) to get the best of both worlds.
The scratching and denting is quite particular to alu. If you're using a harder alloy like the magnesium-aluminium-steel alloy the enterprise-grade machines use, it's basically not an issue. If you do manage to dent or scratch that, you'd have scratched or shattered plastic anyways.
In a tablet or perhaps hybrid/ultrabook, especially something high-end, I'd agree with you. Those are "handled" a lot more and often used with touch. This DTR is meant to be a high performance gaming machine, a 17.3" machine that typically resides on a desk/table. Going to a mag alloy for the chassis would be nice, but it would certainly increase costs, and it won't help performance. Anyway the specs are decent, and it's got good space for storage. Probably slightly cheaper than a similarly-configured boutique, and a lot of users feel safer getting a device from one of the big brands. I of course, am not one of them, since I mostly use desktops I've assembled myself. But I do see the draw.
I can't find any 7700K+1080 models that are the same price (at best it's another $200). Plus, comparing the 7700K and 7820HK doesn't make a lot of sense considering the latter is a mobile CPU and has half the TDP. That's going to make a bit of a difference in cooling and thus noise.
Also I can't seem to get a solid answer on if the Clevo laptops have 120Hz+ displays.
Don't really get why we see these things, and more of them with new branding and all, this is ~6 kg to carry around with the weight of the backpack factored in. They can dial down the gamer aesthetics and deliver GTX 1070-1080 performance in 2.5 kg or lower (or so) laptops nowadays. This doesn't even have a desktop CPU and clearly aren't a workstation replacement either, so why all the weight and size? It's probably still way to laud. In a small stationary machine you can at least upgrade, here the machine is a 4.9 kg paper weight in 2 or 3 years and aren't all that useful for people who needs their gaming to be portable in those few years. Aren't really useful "on the go" or on batteries. When the gaming performance starts to lag behind it's essentially useless.
Well I guess you could have been doing some type of productivity on it too, but that would probably entail 10GbE thunderbolt-adapters or something, which you can't really carry around either.
It's just stupid to try to compete at this market, Omen? B&O? All that means nothing. As a Scandinavian B&O mostly stands for overprice crap that the average Joe thinks are good and looks cool, at least for me. I don't see them as an audio brand at all and doubt any HiFi-enthusiast would buy any of their products. Will probably sound about as terrible as expected too. Plus what do they bring to the table that Clevo/Compal doesn't? It's just a large machine that makes a lot of noise and needs to be connected to power at all times.
I big to be different on statement "This doesn't even have a desktop CPU and clearly aren't a workstation replacement either" -- mobile CPU's like this are replacing workstations now - especially when you can carry them home or to office table or a lab.
Now of course this could be used as workstation, but it really aim at mobile gaming, I remember by special carried from desktop to carried to Lan party. In those days - it was a work out even taking two drips.
The big thing with announcement of 4 Core U's - I would expect some quite power cores coming in this line of cpu's. And advantage of these cpu's is lighter weigh and smaller size - but the big issue with power now - is these high end CPU's - they take up much more power than CPU's.
Hope NVidia is learning from Intel has been doing the last couple on years and start focus on lower power - but still powerful CPU/GPU's.
Like or not - this is where the future is going and I surprise desktops are still being made - so old fashion - my last desktop was Dual Xeon 5160 - huge monster - but still run and faster than a lot of machines purchase today.
Most workstation notebooks are way more portable (even 17-inch models) than this. For this market a luggable notebook with desktop parts makes more sense, you can't really power it on battery just because it has a mobile CPU and games is one of those workloads where it helps having a faster CPU with higher turbos and base frequency. It has a desktop class GPU either way.
Can you carry a 1.78 – 3.5 kg / 3.93 – 7.7 lbs notebook to and from work? Yeah, but this one is easily 6 kg or more than 13 lbs with it's powerbricks and backpack. There's plenty of power to be had around 2 kg. Of course a sub 2 kg notebook won't be able to cool a GTX 1080, but mobile workstation users won't really need 1080's in most cases either, but rather something that's certified for their cad suite or whatever.
My point was that there is plenty of DTR's around already, why do we need more luggable gaming notebooks when there's plenty around from Clevo, MSI, Asus etc already? It's not something to carry around either way. It's not something you can put in your briefcase or messenger bag either way. You would need a proper backpack for that kind of weight and you wouldn't want to carry it around when commuting.
Know about it, and that's my point there isn't much need to go to this niche where you compete with Clevo, MSI, Asus etc machines with desktop (sometimes at least) CPUs and GTX 1080 GPUs when there is plenty of room for more sensible gaming laptops around the 1.7–2.5 kg mark that probably does fine as a laptop which no around 5 kg / 11 lbs gaming laptop will, those neither has portability or any battery life. You can even get decently portable machine with 1070s.
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TEAMSWITCHER - Saturday, August 26, 2017 - link
That is a lot of plastic for nearly $2300.lilmoe - Saturday, August 26, 2017 - link
Yes, plastic, as it should be.ZeDestructor - Sunday, August 27, 2017 - link
Eh.. Plastic palmrest is great when the machine is under load - isolation from thermals, but chassis should be mag-alloy (with a window for wifi) IMOcoolhardware - Monday, August 28, 2017 - link
If you are looking for something considerably less ugly, the 15.6" Omen is much better looking IMHO:http://amzn.to/2vCzXmv (url shortened)
Personally, I am digging the external Thunderbolt docks for gaming purposes. Seems more efficient to "dock" in order to game with a desktop GPU rather than carrying around a power and thermal limited discrete GPU in the laptop. Perhaps I am just too old school. ;-)
BrokenCrayons - Monday, August 28, 2017 - link
Even relatively inexpensive notebooks have enough CPU power for most modern games, but TB isn't very widespread on most laptops and almost entirely absent from the low cost segments. Then there's the expense of the graphics dock, an external monitor, and the desktop GPU plus the lost portability of having the dGPU integrated into the system.keeepcool - Saturday, August 26, 2017 - link
Should be a unibody aluminium space heater that gets discomfortableafter 15 minutes of heavy loading......And that will get all scratched, and any bang will result in a dent.
ZeDestructor - Sunday, August 27, 2017 - link
If you're playing games on your lap, I question your line of reasoning. The rest of the time, you can have a mixed design (metal shell, plastic palmrest, plastic/glass bezel) to get the best of both worlds.The scratching and denting is quite particular to alu. If you're using a harder alloy like the magnesium-aluminium-steel alloy the enterprise-grade machines use, it's basically not an issue. If you do manage to dent or scratch that, you'd have scratched or shattered plastic anyways.
Alexvrb - Sunday, August 27, 2017 - link
In a tablet or perhaps hybrid/ultrabook, especially something high-end, I'd agree with you. Those are "handled" a lot more and often used with touch. This DTR is meant to be a high performance gaming machine, a 17.3" machine that typically resides on a desk/table. Going to a mag alloy for the chassis would be nice, but it would certainly increase costs, and it won't help performance. Anyway the specs are decent, and it's got good space for storage. Probably slightly cheaper than a similarly-configured boutique, and a lot of users feel safer getting a device from one of the big brands. I of course, am not one of them, since I mostly use desktops I've assembled myself. But I do see the draw.meacupla - Saturday, August 26, 2017 - link
plastic is fantasticversesuvius - Sunday, August 27, 2017 - link
... and there is enough plastic for everybody in the world. Not Aluminum!nerd1 - Sunday, August 27, 2017 - link
$2299 for 1070? I think clevo laptop with 7700K + 1080 can be bought at around the same price...jordanclock - Monday, August 28, 2017 - link
I can't find any 7700K+1080 models that are the same price (at best it's another $200). Plus, comparing the 7700K and 7820HK doesn't make a lot of sense considering the latter is a mobile CPU and has half the TDP. That's going to make a bit of a difference in cooling and thus noise.Also I can't seem to get a solid answer on if the Clevo laptops have 120Hz+ displays.
Penti - Sunday, August 27, 2017 - link
Don't really get why we see these things, and more of them with new branding and all, this is ~6 kg to carry around with the weight of the backpack factored in. They can dial down the gamer aesthetics and deliver GTX 1070-1080 performance in 2.5 kg or lower (or so) laptops nowadays. This doesn't even have a desktop CPU and clearly aren't a workstation replacement either, so why all the weight and size? It's probably still way to laud. In a small stationary machine you can at least upgrade, here the machine is a 4.9 kg paper weight in 2 or 3 years and aren't all that useful for people who needs their gaming to be portable in those few years. Aren't really useful "on the go" or on batteries. When the gaming performance starts to lag behind it's essentially useless.Well I guess you could have been doing some type of productivity on it too, but that would probably entail 10GbE thunderbolt-adapters or something, which you can't really carry around either.
It's just stupid to try to compete at this market, Omen? B&O? All that means nothing. As a Scandinavian B&O mostly stands for overprice crap that the average Joe thinks are good and looks cool, at least for me. I don't see them as an audio brand at all and doubt any HiFi-enthusiast would buy any of their products. Will probably sound about as terrible as expected too. Plus what do they bring to the table that Clevo/Compal doesn't? It's just a large machine that makes a lot of noise and needs to be connected to power at all times.
HStewart - Monday, August 28, 2017 - link
I big to be different on statement "This doesn't even have a desktop CPU and clearly aren't a workstation replacement either" -- mobile CPU's like this are replacing workstations now - especially when you can carry them home or to office table or a lab.Now of course this could be used as workstation, but it really aim at mobile gaming, I remember by special carried from desktop to carried to Lan party. In those days - it was a work out even taking two drips.
The big thing with announcement of 4 Core U's - I would expect some quite power cores coming in this line of cpu's. And advantage of these cpu's is lighter weigh and smaller size - but the big issue with power now - is these high end CPU's - they take up much more power than CPU's.
Hope NVidia is learning from Intel has been doing the last couple on years and start focus on lower power - but still powerful CPU/GPU's.
Like or not - this is where the future is going and I surprise desktops are still being made - so old fashion - my last desktop was Dual Xeon 5160 - huge monster - but still run and faster than a lot of machines purchase today.
Penti - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - link
Most workstation notebooks are way more portable (even 17-inch models) than this. For this market a luggable notebook with desktop parts makes more sense, you can't really power it on battery just because it has a mobile CPU and games is one of those workloads where it helps having a faster CPU with higher turbos and base frequency. It has a desktop class GPU either way.Can you carry a 1.78 – 3.5 kg / 3.93 – 7.7 lbs notebook to and from work? Yeah, but this one is easily 6 kg or more than 13 lbs with it's powerbricks and backpack. There's plenty of power to be had around 2 kg. Of course a sub 2 kg notebook won't be able to cool a GTX 1080, but mobile workstation users won't really need 1080's in most cases either, but rather something that's certified for their cad suite or whatever.
Penti - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - link
My point was that there is plenty of DTR's around already, why do we need more luggable gaming notebooks when there's plenty around from Clevo, MSI, Asus etc already? It's not something to carry around either way. It's not something you can put in your briefcase or messenger bag either way. You would need a proper backpack for that kind of weight and you wouldn't want to carry it around when commuting.Jedi2155 - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - link
Look up the Gigabyte Aero 15.Penti - Wednesday, August 30, 2017 - link
Know about it, and that's my point there isn't much need to go to this niche where you compete with Clevo, MSI, Asus etc machines with desktop (sometimes at least) CPUs and GTX 1080 GPUs when there is plenty of room for more sensible gaming laptops around the 1.7–2.5 kg mark that probably does fine as a laptop which no around 5 kg / 11 lbs gaming laptop will, those neither has portability or any battery life. You can even get decently portable machine with 1070s.ejas147 - Monday, August 28, 2017 - link
waoo mennn with what i have seen from the spec this is an incredible laptops. and it what the pricehttps://www.techfiver.com/wapmon-download-free-tre...
peevee - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - link
Huge unnecessary borders around the screen again.Jedi2155 - Tuesday, August 29, 2017 - link
Many of the major brands (HP, Asus, eVGA etc.) seems to be rebadges of the same basic Clevo design. This one is no different.The unique designs I've seen are:
Alienware
Razer
Gigabyte
MSI
tyaty1 - Thursday, August 31, 2017 - link
While I welcome the the return the non-chiclet keyboard, it seems to be scissor switch membrane keyboard, instead of mechanical.