Yes They do, and happily because Apple products just work for them. Every Apple Person I have met hate how badly Android and Windows devices work compared to Apple products and just goes back to those. Well some people just have enough money and most of those Apple peoples Are not even rich. And seing how well Apple does make Profit, there is huge amounth of those Apple peoples, so They can not be wrong.
Each platform has a lot to like and a lot to dislike. It all comes down to preference really.
Android had tons of apps and is massively configurable. iOS is very rigid and simple but also has tons of apps and they tend to be higher quality in a lots of cases. WinMobile sits between the two but with hardly any apps in comparison.
I regularly have to use all three; iOS is just not nice to use, Android is ok but has lots that annoys and wo seems to be great when it is working well (not really most of the time sadly) but the phones are low specved and under supported.
There is no one size fits all, we all like different things.
iOS is like a car you are only allowed to drive wherever apple wants you to. And all the places are more or less milking stations.
Hardware is decent, if one abstracts away from the cost, but then again, even x86 and android are catching up in terms of preposterous pricing. Top end tablets have become shamelessly overpriced, even in the case of android, where you don't have the advantage of running real professional software. I was looking into getting a new android tablet, and the tab S3 was the logical choice, because of the stylus, but that thing is ridiculously expensive, it literally costs as much as an ipad pro, shame on samsung... I'd rather stick a little longer to the note 10, or get an x86 tablet with a stylus for less than 20% extra.
For me android wins because most of the software I run is proprietary, and is ported to android, so I can just install what I need by simply enabling installation from "unknown sources".
For iOS, I'd have to jailbreak and void warranty, which is not ideal. Plus it is far more expensive, which does not translate into productivity.
For a Pro tablet, Surface Pro is the way to go. Other PC manufacturers are finally bringing out similar designs but they all cheap out in some way. MS realized people will pay for a well put together device ie Apple. Pro line up has been good since 3 and became great with 4. The newest version is amazing. I looked at the tab 3 and even considered the note. Ultimately, even the low end Surface is better and I just get a nice midrange phone. Now if Intel or AMD will release a nice ATOM or ATOM equivalent and give us an upgraded Surface 3, then awesome!!
I have one condition - that they'd make the battery easily replaceable. Which the latest surface is the furthest away from. The device is very expensive, and under heavy usage, the battery will crap out in like 2 years. Afterwards you pretty much have to throw the device away, official battery replacement is ridiculously expensive too, I think it was like 1/3 of the unit price.
The atom is trash, heck even core m performance is abysmal, and the atom is even worse. I'd rather wait and see if amd is going to release a sub 10-watt zen cores, which sound plausible. What I really want is a powerful tablet, I don't mint if it is half an inch thick, and I don't mind if it weights a full kilogram. I'd rather take performance and battery life, sadly the fad is all about flimsy, thin and barely useful to professionals devices.
Well on the battery, I think you going have to accept it is as fact of life. Even Samsung Galaxy Tab's don't have removal batteries.
On Core M Cpu's, I think people got bad taste with Apple's first implementation, the latest versions are significantly faster that the earlier ones. I have both Dell XPS 13 2in1 and original Surface Pro 1 (i5) and the Dell is faster that Surface Pro 1 with i5.
I think what you want is not a tablet but a notebook - there are many quad core i7 notebooks out there - and with Cannon Lake coming, we should have six and 8 core. Of course huge laptops with desktop chips if so desired.
But the future is small and thin - it not a fad. But keep in mind, as time goes on technology improves. The ATOM processor is faster than Core 2 cpus and AMD processors from decade ago.
Lacking software designed for touch, the Surface Pro isn't any kind of tablet. It's an ultrabook in a weird form factor so long as the Windows store remains a wasteland.
It actually depends on definition of tablet - iPad in lots of way is not a true tablet - only until it the Pro models did it support Pen - and it does not support touch.
I was thinking of iPad Pro, and got the Samsung TabPro S - it has everything my Samsung Tab S can do and more - it can run real applications. I found the iPad Pro - just a glorified iPad ( I have a IPad Mini 2)
I hate to say this - but is true - the iPad Pro could never do what my Samsung Tab Pro S can do. Unless you limited yourself only to Windows UAW apps.
I agree that there is no one size fits all. One issue is that Apple essentially does not make low end/entry level devices and if you want mid-range, the offering is really just last years flagship. They don't really build anything that is intended from the start to be mid range. On the Android side, you can get anything from bottom of the barrel crap to top of the line with a flagship Android device often costing just as much as an iPhone. But I do see a lot of people picking up something from the low end of the Android spectrum and then deciding that Android sucks because its not as good as an iPhone. They haven't really done an apples to apples comparison :). I also personally know many iPhone users who talk about how it "just works" and how Android sucks when in fact, they have never owned or even tried any smart phone that isn't an iPhone. They really have no basis for comparison. So yes, as always, get the best tool for the job...which will not be the same for everyone. Its just that too many make decisions based on marketing.
My sister's are nice counterexamples to the whole "It just works" mantra that Apple has going. They won't move to another phone because they've never tried a non-apple smartphone and they have purchased apps for iOS. So they just blindly purchase the next Apple phone hoping that all their woes will finally be solved, convincing themselves that that is the case for the first few months, and lamenting the rest of time until their contract is up so they can do it all over again. While I have seen a number of other's that don't see the kind of issues that my sisters do, I can say the same for Android and even Windows Phone as well. It is this "try the same thing again and again and expect a different result" mentality that I rarely see outside a rather passionate subset of the Apple user base (though I'm sure they exist in every fandom).
To be fair, Apple devices are (with a few exceptions) well made products that prove to be a best fit for a number of use cases. There are a number of issues that keep me firmly out of the Apple ecosystem, but performance/build quality isn't one of them. Also, it is sometimes easier for people to just go with what the store rep or a friend or acquaintance tells them and save themselves the time and effort of researching things themself (this applies to both iOS and Android). Once they are started in an ecosystem (whether well researched or based on recommendation), the natural tendency is to stick with what is familiar unless things get uncomfortable enough to prompt reconsideration. After all, they've already committed significant time learning the device and possibly resources adding on functionality (apps) that they desire.
On a different note: why should I care what device someone I don't even know is using? It doesn't effect my ability to do what I need to do with my device. Beyond family members and some friends that are (unfortunately) constantly asking me to fix problems with their device, I have no need to interact with a device that I don't care for. My only real concern is for competition to keep prices from getting any more unreasonable that they already are. Android as a platform is in fine shape, so much so that losing a few points of market share would probably be in consumer's best interest. Within the Android ecosystem, Samsung's recent missteps have allowed other vendors to gain a little ground and even things out a bit. Apple is, unfortunately, losing ground in sales statistics, but seems to be in decent shape according to active usage statistics. Still, the 12% sales figure is a little shallow for the only other major player in the market and doesn't bode particularly well for competition. It would be nice to have a third major platform player, but seeing as Microsoft doesn't seem interested and everyone else is less than a tenth of a percent market share, I'm not holding out hope.
Still, it would be good for the market if the rumored Surface Phone makes an appearance and manages to garners Microsoft a small, but sustainable market share. Another manufacturer coming out of nowhere to grab significant market share seems even less likely. Samsung could ditch android and create a third platform from their market share, but it seems unlikely that they could hold onto that market share without android.
I don't buy into fanboy mentality and just use what works best for me. I use iPhone for the smartphone for security purposes for what I use my phone and the fact that iOS is highly stable, consistent, and fluid (stuttering on android phones used to drive me insane!). I use android for my tablets as andoid just gives a better tablet environment (customization, widgets) compared to the big iphone feel of iOS. And finally I use windows 10 for the laptop and desktop (great OS, love it.). I wish one of the platforms worked for me across the entire spectrum of devices but I don't know if that day will ever come.
iPhones are not secure. Stable, yes, secure? noooo. I too wished for the one OS to rule them all. MS gave up on mobile and never bothered to push it even though they spent a $H!T ton of money to take apart Nokia. Last good phone from them was the 1020. Mine bricked testing W10 mobile beta. Got a 950XL as a replacement. Fragile POS cracked bc it flexed so much removing the battery cover. Always unstable. When it worked it was brilliant. The 1020 and previous were damn near impossible to break. Loved those phones. If MS comes out with a Surface phone.....NOPE!!! I'll stick to Android. I wont buy into their mobile anymore. Tablets, Laptops, DT? Yes. No more MS mobile anything.
I use an iPhone mainly because I like how I get guaranteed software updates regardless of what carrier I have or where in the world I am. I get iOS updates the same day that everyone across the world gets it. It's the same way that my Windows machine gets updates, guaranteed software updates. Apple and Microsoft can do it just fine yet Android and their circus of OEM partners can't.
@trparky The windows machines you mention have a circus of OEM partners as well. Yet that never stopped them from being able to keep their desktop, laptop, tablet, etc. devices updated. The issues for android stem from carrier intervention. Google et al. should never have given carriers boot and OS level access. Carrier code should have been restricted to user space. Then security updates wouldn't require carrier code reintegration and sign-off. Taking it one step further, if Google didn't allow vendors that same access and they had to make their modifications work in user space, then they could provide updates the similar to how Apple and Microsoft do. Of course, they would then need to take on the burden of qualifying their updates against a plethora of different hardware that they currently do not do. It is currently the vendor's responsibility to qualify their hardware.
What he said about the latest build is true though. The update of Android is in the hands of the manufacturer which cripples the updates of the entry level and sometimes mid range phones, the problem is some phones still use SoCs that was released way back 2014-2015.
I use both (iPhone 6 for work and Galaxy S8). I have several colleagues that would never leave the iPhone: they are the ones who used crappy/old Android phones and got burned. I understand them, but up until the iPhone 7, included, they are inferior to many mid range and top range Android phones. Ginormous bezels, tiny battery. The iPhone's battery lasts ages if you use it as a phone. But give it a go with games, and it drains in few hours. The S8 trounces it in all respects, and it has 4X more pixels on the display. Takes ages to start up and the fingerprint reader is slooow (it is faster on the 7, to be fair).
Anyway, the next iPhone should fix the bezel problem: let's see, but to those who think that iPhone just works, they have not tried equally expensive Android phones.
I'll never buy new-gen, I always go a generation or two back. The way Apple supports their devices for a longer period than Android/Windows(?) means that the devices are still usable and current in software much longer time frames.
My GF is still rocking her iPhone 4s but it's only now starting to show it's age - so I'll be shopping around for a good 5s for her soon. My 5s is great. Still quick, still works, still being updated.
Dear Anandtech, I'm so fed up with these clickbait ads from Revcontent! And now there was even an ad that redirected the whole browser window without me even clicking on it! I haven't used Adblock for many years, but now it's back on!
I find AT quality is great and I am willing to pay for the content on this site, but not by exposing myself to these horrible ads! Would it be an option to make a paid tier (verified e.g. using these forum accounts) with no ads?
Those are some very interesting opinions about which Operating System is best for each of the posters at this site, but you may want to get a screen grab of my opinion before it gets censored again without any "VALID" reason
As the leading security expert on the planet, I do not use Spyware Platforms!
AnandTech can easily verify for you that I am posting right now with with Windows XP-SP2
I do not have ANY critical security updates from Microsoft to backdoor this system
Flash/Java and Adobe Reader malware does not exist on this system
Net Framework and Silverlight malware is also forbidden
The O.S. is Read Only (Driveshield)
I haven't had a blue-screen of death in more than 10 years
I am immune to wannacry / Petya and all other forms of extortionware
I'm Not worried about viruses / rootkits or any other malware
I have publicly dared the NSA / Russian hackers / Chinese Hackers / Israeli Hackers and everyone else to wreck this Box
You will find these posts here at Anandtech and other sites
A fresh install of XP boots from a Samsung 850 Pro in 3-4 seconds on a 35 Watt dualcore Sandy Bridge
Fully loaded, it boots in 12 seconds
The Antivirus expired over a year ago and I'm not worried one bit
I'm not jealous that Microsoft and Apple copied many of my security tweaks Quite the opposite...... You can download lame ass apps from your Slavemaster if you wish while I run secure portable apps of my choice
Word to the wise > If you cannot find the backdoors your apps are creating in Win 10, try a better firewall like Glasswire
You have no idea how badly you are F%^ked and THAT is the problem, not the solution
You believe you are smart by following the advice of those who enslave you but I know better
@Bullwinkle J Moose: "I have publicly dared the NSA / Russian hackers / Chinese Hackers / Israeli Hackers and everyone else to wreck this Box"
1) What incentive do they have to take you up on this dare? Seems like a single target without a posted address and no known information of worth would require an up front reward to garner any interest. 2) What incentive do they have to inform you if they managed to break into your system? If they already have any information of worth, and they managed to do it stealthily, why would they tell you? They may want to come back later to check if there is anything new of worth.
@Bullwinkle J Moose: "As the leading security expert on the planet ... "
One would think the "leading security expert on the planet" would be more inclined to share just exactly how he secured his system. Bragging about how you are immune to <insert exploit here> and how you did it without the help of <insert standard security related software here> on an operating system with known vulnerabilities identified by <insert people not the OS vendor here> does little to tell me how you mitigated the existing known vulnerabilities or protect yourself from future vulnerabilities. It also fails to convey what compromises in functionality are required.
I can see that there are a few pieces of software you avoid (Flash, Java, et al), some software you feel is unimportant (antivirus), and some that you like (Glasswire, Driveshield), but you haven't said a word of you general security posture, configuration of said software or what other software you might be using, known vulnerability mitigation, or what software you use (if any) to replace lost functionality.
@Bullwinkle J Moose: "You have no idea how badly you are F%^ked and THAT is the problem, not the solution" You seem plenty interested in bragging about our lack of understanding (the problem as you state it) vs your security invulnerability on a system that for all I know could be in a closet gathering dust for the last 10 years (you never stated from where you are posting). However, you seem to have little interest in fixing that lack of understanding (the problem). So here's the deal, I will take exactly as much interest in fixing the problem as you do. I'll check back later to see if your level of interest has improved.
Guess I shouldn't have expected much given your last post was a day prior. Oh, well. Though, it does kinda beg the question: If you don't see and respond to posts on the same site as, in the same thread as, and even in direct response to posts you've already made, why would you expect someone else (NSA / Russian hackers / Chinese Hackers / Israeli Hackers) to see and respond to a challenge in a thread on a site they've not even visited?
Chipguy_619 says.... "That was a waste of 20 seconds. I kept waiting for your point, pertaining to the article. "
The point as jimbo2779 says...... "Each platform has a lot to like and a lot to dislike. It all comes down to preference really."
This is why everyone here was stating their preferences instead of commenting directly on the content of the article
Just the1st page of comments speak of.... Android Winmobile Core M Atom Surface Pro Note 10 Intel AMD Pentium Quad Core Surface 3 Core i3 U Samsung Tab Pro S and limiting yourself to UAW Apps
Following the comments and not the article is sometimes what we do hare at Anandtech
My personal preference for XP is simply due to the added security I can get with it when it is modified correctly
I also like the fact that I am not limited to an app store
I haven't had a blue screen of death in over 10 years
I can reject the dictates of Microsoft when it comes to security and I can close the backdoors that you cannot do in Windows 7 / 8 or Spyware Platform 10
My wife prefers an iPhone and I prefer a flip-phone with a removable battery
"Mac sales were only up 1% year-over-year [...] but revenue was up 7% to $5.59 billion, so revenue-per-device is up nicely"
I'm generally a fan of Apple products, but the latest MacBook Pro refresh was kind of a mess.
I could deal with the change to USB-C, but the prices on everything basically jumped by a crazy $300-400. 15" base model was $2000, now $2400. $13 base model was $1200, now it's $1500.
I'm guessing "revenue-per-device is up" only due to the increased price of everything.
I've been waiting to upgrade my old MacBook Pro for a while now, but I'm still waiting to see if Apple will drop the price of their MacBook Pro line a bit. They refreshed the lineup back in June but prices are still the same. I'm starting to get annoyed at Apple for both the long refresh cycles and the price increases.
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duploxxx - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
enough idiots still buying that overpriced handy.haukionkannel - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
Yes They do, and happily because Apple products just work for them.Every Apple Person I have met hate how badly Android and Windows devices work compared to Apple products and just goes back to those.
Well some people just have enough money and most of those Apple peoples Are not even rich.
And seing how well Apple does make Profit, there is huge amounth of those Apple peoples, so They can not be wrong.
jimbo2779 - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
Each platform has a lot to like and a lot to dislike. It all comes down to preference really.Android had tons of apps and is massively configurable. iOS is very rigid and simple but also has tons of apps and they tend to be higher quality in a lots of cases. WinMobile sits between the two but with hardly any apps in comparison.
I regularly have to use all three; iOS is just not nice to use, Android is ok but has lots that annoys and wo seems to be great when it is working well (not really most of the time sadly) but the phones are low specved and under supported.
There is no one size fits all, we all like different things.
ddriver - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
iOS is like a car you are only allowed to drive wherever apple wants you to. And all the places are more or less milking stations.Hardware is decent, if one abstracts away from the cost, but then again, even x86 and android are catching up in terms of preposterous pricing. Top end tablets have become shamelessly overpriced, even in the case of android, where you don't have the advantage of running real professional software. I was looking into getting a new android tablet, and the tab S3 was the logical choice, because of the stylus, but that thing is ridiculously expensive, it literally costs as much as an ipad pro, shame on samsung... I'd rather stick a little longer to the note 10, or get an x86 tablet with a stylus for less than 20% extra.
For me android wins because most of the software I run is proprietary, and is ported to android, so I can just install what I need by simply enabling installation from "unknown sources".
For iOS, I'd have to jailbreak and void warranty, which is not ideal. Plus it is far more expensive, which does not translate into productivity.
Manch - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
For a Pro tablet, Surface Pro is the way to go. Other PC manufacturers are finally bringing out similar designs but they all cheap out in some way. MS realized people will pay for a well put together device ie Apple. Pro line up has been good since 3 and became great with 4. The newest version is amazing. I looked at the tab 3 and even considered the note. Ultimately, even the low end Surface is better and I just get a nice midrange phone. Now if Intel or AMD will release a nice ATOM or ATOM equivalent and give us an upgraded Surface 3, then awesome!!ddriver - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
I have one condition - that they'd make the battery easily replaceable. Which the latest surface is the furthest away from. The device is very expensive, and under heavy usage, the battery will crap out in like 2 years. Afterwards you pretty much have to throw the device away, official battery replacement is ridiculously expensive too, I think it was like 1/3 of the unit price.The atom is trash, heck even core m performance is abysmal, and the atom is even worse. I'd rather wait and see if amd is going to release a sub 10-watt zen cores, which sound plausible. What I really want is a powerful tablet, I don't mint if it is half an inch thick, and I don't mind if it weights a full kilogram. I'd rather take performance and battery life, sadly the fad is all about flimsy, thin and barely useful to professionals devices.
HStewart - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
Well on the battery, I think you going have to accept it is as fact of life. Even Samsung Galaxy Tab's don't have removal batteries.On Core M Cpu's, I think people got bad taste with Apple's first implementation, the latest versions are significantly faster that the earlier ones. I have both Dell XPS 13 2in1 and original Surface Pro 1 (i5) and the Dell is faster that Surface Pro 1 with i5.
I think what you want is not a tablet but a notebook - there are many quad core i7 notebooks out there - and with Cannon Lake coming, we should have six and 8 core. Of course huge laptops with desktop chips if so desired.
But the future is small and thin - it not a fad. But keep in mind, as time goes on technology improves. The ATOM processor is faster than Core 2 cpus and AMD processors from decade ago.
BillBear - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
Lacking software designed for touch, the Surface Pro isn't any kind of tablet. It's an ultrabook in a weird form factor so long as the Windows store remains a wasteland.Ro_Ja - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
Exactly. Core M and Intel Atom shouldn't even exist, let alone Pentium Quad Core that is barely even fast than a Core i3 U.HStewart - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
It actually depends on definition of tablet - iPad in lots of way is not a true tablet - only until it the Pro models did it support Pen - and it does not support touch.I was thinking of iPad Pro, and got the Samsung TabPro S - it has everything my Samsung Tab S can do and more - it can run real applications. I found the iPad Pro - just a glorified iPad ( I have a IPad Mini 2)
I hate to say this - but is true - the iPad Pro could never do what my Samsung Tab Pro S can do. Unless you limited yourself only to Windows UAW apps.
Ratman6161 - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
I agree that there is no one size fits all. One issue is that Apple essentially does not make low end/entry level devices and if you want mid-range, the offering is really just last years flagship. They don't really build anything that is intended from the start to be mid range. On the Android side, you can get anything from bottom of the barrel crap to top of the line with a flagship Android device often costing just as much as an iPhone.But I do see a lot of people picking up something from the low end of the Android spectrum and then deciding that Android sucks because its not as good as an iPhone. They haven't really done an apples to apples comparison :).
I also personally know many iPhone users who talk about how it "just works" and how Android sucks when in fact, they have never owned or even tried any smart phone that isn't an iPhone. They really have no basis for comparison.
So yes, as always, get the best tool for the job...which will not be the same for everyone. Its just that too many make decisions based on marketing.
BurntMyBacon - Friday, August 4, 2017 - link
My sister's are nice counterexamples to the whole "It just works" mantra that Apple has going. They won't move to another phone because they've never tried a non-apple smartphone and they have purchased apps for iOS. So they just blindly purchase the next Apple phone hoping that all their woes will finally be solved, convincing themselves that that is the case for the first few months, and lamenting the rest of time until their contract is up so they can do it all over again. While I have seen a number of other's that don't see the kind of issues that my sisters do, I can say the same for Android and even Windows Phone as well. It is this "try the same thing again and again and expect a different result" mentality that I rarely see outside a rather passionate subset of the Apple user base (though I'm sure they exist in every fandom).To be fair, Apple devices are (with a few exceptions) well made products that prove to be a best fit for a number of use cases. There are a number of issues that keep me firmly out of the Apple ecosystem, but performance/build quality isn't one of them. Also, it is sometimes easier for people to just go with what the store rep or a friend or acquaintance tells them and save themselves the time and effort of researching things themself (this applies to both iOS and Android). Once they are started in an ecosystem (whether well researched or based on recommendation), the natural tendency is to stick with what is familiar unless things get uncomfortable enough to prompt reconsideration. After all, they've already committed significant time learning the device and possibly resources adding on functionality (apps) that they desire.
On a different note: why should I care what device someone I don't even know is using? It doesn't effect my ability to do what I need to do with my device. Beyond family members and some friends that are (unfortunately) constantly asking me to fix problems with their device, I have no need to interact with a device that I don't care for. My only real concern is for competition to keep prices from getting any more unreasonable that they already are. Android as a platform is in fine shape, so much so that losing a few points of market share would probably be in consumer's best interest. Within the Android ecosystem, Samsung's recent missteps have allowed other vendors to gain a little ground and even things out a bit. Apple is, unfortunately, losing ground in sales statistics, but seems to be in decent shape according to active usage statistics. Still, the 12% sales figure is a little shallow for the only other major player in the market and doesn't bode particularly well for competition. It would be nice to have a third major platform player, but seeing as Microsoft doesn't seem interested and everyone else is less than a tenth of a percent market share, I'm not holding out hope.
Still, it would be good for the market if the rumored Surface Phone makes an appearance and manages to garners Microsoft a small, but sustainable market share. Another manufacturer coming out of nowhere to grab significant market share seems even less likely. Samsung could ditch android and create a third platform from their market share, but it seems unlikely that they could hold onto that market share without android.
LMTLion - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
I don't buy into fanboy mentality and just use what works best for me. I use iPhone for the smartphone for security purposes for what I use my phone and the fact that iOS is highly stable, consistent, and fluid (stuttering on android phones used to drive me insane!). I use android for my tablets as andoid just gives a better tablet environment (customization, widgets) compared to the big iphone feel of iOS. And finally I use windows 10 for the laptop and desktop (great OS, love it.). I wish one of the platforms worked for me across the entire spectrum of devices but I don't know if that day will ever come.Manch - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
iPhones are not secure. Stable, yes, secure? noooo. I too wished for the one OS to rule them all. MS gave up on mobile and never bothered to push it even though they spent a $H!T ton of money to take apart Nokia. Last good phone from them was the 1020. Mine bricked testing W10 mobile beta. Got a 950XL as a replacement. Fragile POS cracked bc it flexed so much removing the battery cover. Always unstable. When it worked it was brilliant. The 1020 and previous were damn near impossible to break. Loved those phones. If MS comes out with a Surface phone.....NOPE!!! I'll stick to Android. I wont buy into their mobile anymore. Tablets, Laptops, DT? Yes. No more MS mobile anything.osxandwindows - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
The most secure, as compared to android, yes.trparky - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
I use an iPhone mainly because I like how I get guaranteed software updates regardless of what carrier I have or where in the world I am. I get iOS updates the same day that everyone across the world gets it. It's the same way that my Windows machine gets updates, guaranteed software updates. Apple and Microsoft can do it just fine yet Android and their circus of OEM partners can't.BurntMyBacon - Friday, August 4, 2017 - link
@trparkyThe windows machines you mention have a circus of OEM partners as well. Yet that never stopped them from being able to keep their desktop, laptop, tablet, etc. devices updated. The issues for android stem from carrier intervention. Google et al. should never have given carriers boot and OS level access. Carrier code should have been restricted to user space. Then security updates wouldn't require carrier code reintegration and sign-off. Taking it one step further, if Google didn't allow vendors that same access and they had to make their modifications work in user space, then they could provide updates the similar to how Apple and Microsoft do. Of course, they would then need to take on the burden of qualifying their updates against a plethora of different hardware that they currently do not do. It is currently the vendor's responsibility to qualify their hardware.
tipoo - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
Technically there are more reported iOS vulnerabilities. The problem with Android is almost no one is running the latest build.http://img.deusm.com/darkreading/2017/02/1328068/J...
logamaniac - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
Got to love a random image file that doesn't differentiate any version of the operating system its referencing.Must be legit.
Ro_Ja - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
What he said about the latest build is true though. The update of Android is in the hands of the manufacturer which cripples the updates of the entry level and sometimes mid range phones, the problem is some phones still use SoCs that was released way back 2014-2015.tipoo - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
Gee I wonder what following the words at the bottom of the image would find, logamaniac.https://blog.codeproof.com/2017/01/30/enterprise-a...
yankeeDDL - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
I use both (iPhone 6 for work and Galaxy S8). I have several colleagues that would never leave the iPhone: they are the ones who used crappy/old Android phones and got burned. I understand them, but up until the iPhone 7, included, they are inferior to many mid range and top range Android phones. Ginormous bezels, tiny battery. The iPhone's battery lasts ages if you use it as a phone. But give it a go with games, and it drains in few hours. The S8 trounces it in all respects, and it has 4X more pixels on the display.Takes ages to start up and the fingerprint reader is slooow (it is faster on the 7, to be fair).
Anyway, the next iPhone should fix the bezel problem: let's see, but to those who think that iPhone just works, they have not tried equally expensive Android phones.
tipoo - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
Find something better than platform choice to feel smarter than others about, please. It's [date of reading].bill.rookard - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
I'll never buy new-gen, I always go a generation or two back. The way Apple supports their devices for a longer period than Android/Windows(?) means that the devices are still usable and current in software much longer time frames.My GF is still rocking her iPhone 4s but it's only now starting to show it's age - so I'll be shopping around for a good 5s for her soon. My 5s is great. Still quick, still works, still being updated.
vivs26 - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
Computers overpriced? Yes. Phones? No. Flagship Android aint cheap.Samus - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
You'd have to be dumb and stupid to say investing in Apple 10 years, 5 years, or even last year, was a bad idea.Dumb, and stupid.
damianrobertjones - Wednesday, August 9, 2017 - link
Capitals can be your friend.StrangerGuy - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
"Apple did say Apple Watch sales were up 50% in the quarter. Up from what, we’re not sure, but obviously a big jump regardless."but-but-but what about the memes of Apple watch = gigantic failure the tech media loves to harp about?
tipoo - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
A giant failure that likely passed the revenue of Rolex and any other swiss watch brand.AdditionalPylons - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
Dear Anandtech, I'm so fed up with these clickbait ads from Revcontent!And now there was even an ad that redirected the whole browser window without me even clicking on it!
I haven't used Adblock for many years, but now it's back on!
I find AT quality is great and I am willing to pay for the content on this site, but not by exposing myself to these horrible ads! Would it be an option to make a paid tier (verified e.g. using these forum accounts) with no ads?
YazX_ - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
no need, just use adblock same as you are doing and will be fine for ages.Bullwinkle J Moose - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
Those are some very interesting opinions about which Operating System is best for each of the posters at this site, but you may want to get a screen grab of my opinion before it gets censored again without any "VALID" reasonAs the leading security expert on the planet, I do not use Spyware Platforms!
AnandTech can easily verify for you that I am posting right now with with Windows XP-SP2
I do not have ANY critical security updates from Microsoft to backdoor this system
Flash/Java and Adobe Reader malware does not exist on this system
Net Framework and Silverlight malware is also forbidden
The O.S. is Read Only (Driveshield)
I haven't had a blue-screen of death in more than 10 years
I am immune to wannacry / Petya and all other forms of extortionware
I'm Not worried about viruses / rootkits or any other malware
I have publicly dared the NSA / Russian hackers / Chinese Hackers / Israeli Hackers and everyone else to wreck this Box
You will find these posts here at Anandtech and other sites
A fresh install of XP boots from a Samsung 850 Pro in 3-4 seconds on a 35 Watt dualcore Sandy Bridge
Fully loaded, it boots in 12 seconds
The Antivirus expired over a year ago and I'm not worried one bit
I'm not jealous that Microsoft and Apple copied many of my security tweaks
Quite the opposite......
You can download lame ass apps from your Slavemaster if you wish while I run secure portable apps of my choice
Word to the wise >
If you cannot find the backdoors your apps are creating in Win 10, try a better firewall like Glasswire
You have no idea how badly you are F%^ked and THAT is the problem, not the solution
You believe you are smart by following the advice of those who enslave you but I know better
Next time, just ask the expert!
Bullwinkle J Moose
chipguy_619 - Wednesday, August 2, 2017 - link
That was a waste of 20 seconds. I kept waiting for your point, pertaining to the article.BurntMyBacon - Friday, August 4, 2017 - link
@Bullwinkle J Moose: "I have publicly dared the NSA / Russian hackers / Chinese Hackers / Israeli Hackers and everyone else to wreck this Box"1) What incentive do they have to take you up on this dare? Seems like a single target without a posted address and no known information of worth would require an up front reward to garner any interest.
2) What incentive do they have to inform you if they managed to break into your system? If they already have any information of worth, and they managed to do it stealthily, why would they tell you? They may want to come back later to check if there is anything new of worth.
@Bullwinkle J Moose: "As the leading security expert on the planet ... "
One would think the "leading security expert on the planet" would be more inclined to share just exactly how he secured his system. Bragging about how you are immune to <insert exploit here> and how you did it without the help of <insert standard security related software here> on an operating system with known vulnerabilities identified by <insert people not the OS vendor here> does little to tell me how you mitigated the existing known vulnerabilities or protect yourself from future vulnerabilities. It also fails to convey what compromises in functionality are required.
I can see that there are a few pieces of software you avoid (Flash, Java, et al), some software you feel is unimportant (antivirus), and some that you like (Glasswire, Driveshield), but you haven't said a word of you general security posture, configuration of said software or what other software you might be using, known vulnerability mitigation, or what software you use (if any) to replace lost functionality.
@Bullwinkle J Moose: "You have no idea how badly you are F%^ked and THAT is the problem, not the solution"
You seem plenty interested in bragging about our lack of understanding (the problem as you state it) vs your security invulnerability on a system that for all I know could be in a closet gathering dust for the last 10 years (you never stated from where you are posting). However, you seem to have little interest in fixing that lack of understanding (the problem). So here's the deal, I will take exactly as much interest in fixing the problem as you do. I'll check back later to see if your level of interest has improved.
BurntMyBacon - Monday, August 7, 2017 - link
Guess I shouldn't have expected much given your last post was a day prior. Oh, well. Though, it does kinda beg the question: If you don't see and respond to posts on the same site as, in the same thread as, and even in direct response to posts you've already made, why would you expect someone else (NSA / Russian hackers / Chinese Hackers / Israeli Hackers) to see and respond to a challenge in a thread on a site they've not even visited?Bullwinkle J Moose - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
Chipguy_619 says...."That was a waste of 20 seconds. I kept waiting for your point, pertaining to the article. "
The point as jimbo2779 says......
"Each platform has a lot to like and a lot to dislike. It all comes down to preference really."
This is why everyone here was stating their preferences instead of commenting directly on the content of the article
Just the1st page of comments speak of....
Android
Winmobile
Core M
Atom
Surface Pro
Note 10
Intel
AMD
Pentium Quad Core
Surface 3
Core i3 U
Samsung Tab Pro S
and limiting yourself to UAW Apps
Following the comments and not the article is sometimes what we do hare at Anandtech
My personal preference for XP is simply due to the added security I can get with it when it is modified correctly
I also like the fact that I am not limited to an app store
I haven't had a blue screen of death in over 10 years
I can reject the dictates of Microsoft when it comes to security and I can close the backdoors that you cannot do in Windows 7 / 8 or Spyware Platform 10
My wife prefers an iPhone and I prefer a flip-phone with a removable battery
but lets get back to your point chipguy_619......
What did you think about the article ?
speculatrix - Thursday, August 3, 2017 - link
4.3 millions Macs in a quarter isn't really that many, Dell sold 9.56M PCs, HP sold 13.1M, if I understand the various reports correctly.ThreeDee912 - Saturday, August 5, 2017 - link
"Mac sales were only up 1% year-over-year [...] but revenue was up 7% to $5.59 billion, so revenue-per-device is up nicely"I'm generally a fan of Apple products, but the latest MacBook Pro refresh was kind of a mess.
I could deal with the change to USB-C, but the prices on everything basically jumped by a crazy $300-400. 15" base model was $2000, now $2400. $13 base model was $1200, now it's $1500.
I'm guessing "revenue-per-device is up" only due to the increased price of everything.
I've been waiting to upgrade my old MacBook Pro for a while now, but I'm still waiting to see if Apple will drop the price of their MacBook Pro line a bit. They refreshed the lineup back in June but prices are still the same. I'm starting to get annoyed at Apple for both the long refresh cycles and the price increases.
ThreeDee912 - Saturday, August 5, 2017 - link
Actually apparently they released a lower-cost version of the 13" model in June, but gimped it with only 128GB SSD. Really, Apple?